No Tourny Reward fix?

So most will agree that the Triple Triad Lightning cards 100% went to people who abused the system, not the players who played fair or who were actually good at the game. The system is definitely broken in a competitive manner, so are we still rewarding the people who cheated the system? At this point, wouldn't it make sense just to send everyone a Lightning card and cancel card exclusivity in the tournament until a good system is in place? I understand it would take a lot of work to fix tournaments and there are other things SE has to focus on, but an easy fix would be to just take away the card rewards from future tournaments.

But why on earth would SE choose the easy, fair, and logical solution???

No reason to do a tournament if you take away the reward. Plain and simple. Getting upset people cheated for a card? its just Triple Triad, a side thing. I get why your upset, because people cheated, let them fix the system, but no reason to get so butthurt over it.

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Originally Posted by Nyghtmarerobu

No reason to do a tournament if you take away the reward. Plain and simple. Getting upset people cheated for a card? its just Triple Triad, a side thing. I get why your upset, because people cheated, let them fix the system, but no reason to get so butthurt over it.

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Everybody has parts of the game they are passionate about. If collecting TT cards is one of them, I don't think you have any business telling them not to get "butthurt" over it.

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Originally Posted by Ultimasamune

Everybody has parts of the game they are passionate about. If collecting TT cards is one of them, I don't think you have any business telling them not to get "butthurt" over it.

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If thats your passion, thats perfectly acceptable, but to ASSUME everyone thats on top cheated their way? Don't whine about the current situation, find ways to fix it and give some constructive feedback.

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Originally Posted by Nyghtmarerobu

If thats your passion, thats perfectly acceptable, but to ASSUME everyone thats on top cheated their way? Don't whine about the current situation, find ways to fix it and give some constructive feedback.

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There are veritable threads full of constructive feedback. There is also extensive documentation that a large portion of the winners (if not the majority) exploited the system to get there.

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Originally Posted by Ultimasamune

There are veritable threads full of constructive feedback. There is also extensive documentation that a large portion of the winners (if not the majority) exploited the system to get there.

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Alright then, so can we have a forum mod delete this thread as its pointless?

The fix was to remove the exclusive item from the tournament reward, I apologize if that wasn't clear. This is a straight forward resolution, a lot of people are offering ideas that are difficult to program. This is simple, remove exclusivity so it doesn't matter as much who wins and loses the tournament. This isn't a "butthurt" thread, just a suggestion that seems practical at the moment. Again, I apologize if I upset you.

I think that would probably cause more problems than it's worth at this point though, because there'd be a backlash of players who'd feel they won it by doing what was allowed within the game and they're not getting the winnings they were promised. (no matter how badly they cheated in order to win) So probably the best course of action to prevent that would be to just redesign the tournament so that it's not nearly as easy to cheat your way to the top, then hold it again under the redesigned version but with the same rewards and allow players to be able to win legitly. Nothing they can really do about the winners this time around tbh.

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Originally Posted by Sakuraluna

I think that would probably cause more problems than it's worth at this point though, because there'd be a backlash of players who'd feel they won it by doing what was allowed within the game and they're not getting the winnings they were promised. (no matter how badly they cheated in order to win) So probably the best course of action to prevent that would be to just redesign the tournament so that it's not nearly as easy to cheat your way to the top, then hold it again under the redesigned version but with the same rewards and allow players to be able to win legitly. Nothing they can really do about the winners this time around tbh.

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I'm definitely not suggesting take away their rewards, but to give it to all players who participated. It's not out of the realm of possibilities, since when there was an issue with Gold Dye, they gave it to all players who would have been eligible.

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Originally Posted by Nyghtmarerobu

No reason to do a tournament if you take away the reward. Plain and simple. Getting upset people cheated for a card? its just Triple Triad, a side thing. I get why your upset, because people cheated, let them fix the system, but no reason to get so butthurt over it.

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No reason to do a raid if you take away the loot. Plain and simple. Getting upset people glitched in Coil for loot? It's just Coil, pretty much just a side thing for me, so let's let everyone cheat and glitch and let them keep the rewards they "earn" that way, there's no reason to get butthurt over it.

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Originally Posted by FrostyTV

At this point, wouldn't it make sense just to send everyone a Lightning card and cancel card exclusivity in the tournament until a good system is in place?

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I am against sending everyone a lightning card despite being a card collector and taken part in that tournament. What would of been better is not giving anyone the lightning card but it's too late now for that and I still don't think everyone should get it. I just hope that they will not have the next tournament until they have fixed it by removing players ability to pick their own opponents which is causing the P2W and friend/FC members colluding to exploit the tournament ranks.

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

I am against sending everyone a lightning card despite being a card collector and taken part in that tournament. What would of been better is not giving anyone the lightning card but it's too late now for that and I still don't think everyone should get it. I just hope that they will not have the next tournament until they have fixed it by removing players ability to pick their own opponents which is causing the P2W and friend/FC members colluding to exploit the tournament ranks.

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For the sake of just discussion. At this point, because it's too late to take it away from players, what harm would it do to send it to the rest of the population?

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Originally Posted by FrostyTV

For the sake of just discussion. At this point, because it's too late to take it away from players, what harm would it do to send it to the rest of the population?

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It undermines the value of the card being used in future ones given how many people participated hardly anyone would need it anymore. I would just prefer they fixed the future tournaments and kept the card worth working towards. I also think they should double the amount of tournaments to two a week since does not need two week gaps between each given how only need 15 matches in the entire two weeks before locked out so they could easily increase the frequency of tournaments.

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

It undermines the value of the card being used in future ones given how many people participated hardly anyone would need it anymore. I would just prefer they fixed the future tournaments and kept the card worth working towards. I also think they should double the amount of tournaments to two a week since does not need two week gaps between each given how only need 15 matches in the entire two weeks before locked out so they could easily increase the frequency of tournaments.

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I appreciate the logical response. It's refreshing. If they offered a secondary method to receive the card and just completely eliminated it from the reward pool, would that be a valid option? I also think the amount of official competition opportunities in this game for Triple Triad is too low.

there are 4 tournament cards and 4 gold saucer mini games, which noone really plays

they could make the games 1000 times more attractive by using these cards as very low % drops for winning these games

you could either spam hundreds of minigames for a card or participate in a tournament


as long as 4 out of 80 cards are locked as tournament reward noone will ever be able to collect all 80 cards, which is disappointing

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Originally Posted by FrostyTV

I appreciate the logical response. It's refreshing. If they offered a secondary method to receive the card and just completely eliminated it from the reward pool, would that be a valid option? I also think the amount of official competition opportunities in this game for Triple Triad is too low.

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Only if they made it as hard to get as say for example the Cloud card since the Lightning cards status and stats make it something that should not be easily gained so perhaps MGP point exchange like Cloud's or something like a hard to get achievement reward.

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

Only if they made it as hard to get as say for example the Cloud card since the Lightning cards status and stats make it something that should not be easily gained so perhaps MGP point exchange like Cloud's or something like a hard to get achievement reward.

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I'd be totally down for that. Just not one that deals with the Jumbo Cactpot... oh lord no. They could make it a 70 card achievement reward if they want... not exactly the easiest of tasks to undertake (mentally speaking).

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

I'd be totally down for that. Just not one that deals with the Jumbo Cactpot... oh lord no. They could make it a 70 card achievement reward if they want... not exactly the easiest of tasks to undertake (mentally speaking).

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They are supposedly adding another 25+ cards soon so I would not make it gained through 70 cards, I would make it gained through 80 cards collected since it is the best card I think in the game right now power/stat position wise...if had one at 70 it should be a lower quality card than the Lightning one or perhaps making it the 100 card collected achievement reward when they add the next set of cards.

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

They are supposedly adding another 25+ cards soon so I would not make it gained through 70 cards, I would make it gained through 80 minimum since it is the best card I think in the game right now power wise...if had one at 70 it should be a lower quality card than the Lightning one or perhaps making it the 100 card collected achievement reward when they add the next set of cards.

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Isn't Lightning just as good as Squall, that you get from 30 cards? Just different stats?

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Originally Posted by FrostyTV

Isn't Lightning just as good as Squall, that you get from 30 cards? Just different stats?

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It's better than Squall (I think), its on par with Vaan/Tidus in my opinion though how powerful I think the card is subjective I admit. The stats work out the same as Squall but the position/spread of the stats I like more since once the opponent plays their double A sided card the 7 vs 6 becomes more important, the 9 is more than adequate to handle most other cards and the 7 is more than enough for handling a lot of 3 star cards while Squalls 6 not so much, the 1 is great for when a reverse rule pops up and the (1,7,9,A) I consider more beneficial in plus/same rule matches then having two A's. If go by numbers alone like total then yes power wise it's same as Squall but preference wise I think Lightning is more beneficial/powerful. If had to pick card for a 70 card achievement I would pick Firion or Cecil to fill that role. Lightning I would put at 80 currently or 100 later.

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Originally Posted by Nyghtmarerobu

If thats your passion, thats perfectly acceptable, but to ASSUME everyone thats on top cheated their way? Don't whine about the current situation, find ways to fix it and give some constructive feedback.

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Very nearly everyone at the top did cheat. While certainly not 100% (across all servers), it does come quite close to ''everyone at the top cheated''

if you needed evidence that cheating and/or trolling took place:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptm5FF9WRVI

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Originally Posted by kyuven

if you needed evidence that cheating and/or trolling took place:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptm5FF9WRVI

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Quoting this again b/c it's so great! IMO it deserves it's own thread. A player legally making SE look like complete idiots deserves it's own thread...

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Originally Posted by AryaSpark

Quoting this again b/c it's so great! IMO it deserves it's own thread. A player legally making SE look like complete idiots deserves it's own thread...

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Not sure why you think making SE look like idiots is a good thing, SE already acknowledged from everyone's feedback that there is a major issue with the tournament system and they said are looking into fixing it for future tournaments. The only good thing you should be doing and everyone else is trying to come up with ideas of how to make it better, not trying to make them look like idiots which is just petty and not helping anyone at this stage.

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

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As far as I've seen, there was like 1 post from them saying 'Yeah, we're looking into it...' w/o any type of real apology. And yes, green-lighting something that lets that youtube exist deserves an apology.

The more noise made about this, the more SE is going to want to shut ppl up.

Almost every single 'this is how I think the tourney should be' is a better idea that what they made. So take your pick...

I don't get paid to make their game. I pay for them to not make laughably poor mechanics in the game.

Your original comment did nothing good, helped no-one, not even SE or the rest of the player base. They already said trying to fix it for future ones...it was like metaphorically you saw an old lady fall down in the street and stood there and laughed saying "stupid old lady". You never even offered any suggestion as to how to fix the situation in the comment so it would be like in previous example you never even said to the old lady to look where shes walking or helped her get back on her feet, you just laughed, pointed and called her stupid. How about you help the rest of us come up with better ideas of making the tournament better for all instead of just calling SE stupid. If you cannot come up with any suggestions then take part and discuss other peoples, helping improve theirs perhaps. SE is going to probably look at these threads and take on board suggestions so maybe put some out there instead of just pointing and laughing a them.

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

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So SE is as helpless as a "stupid old lady"? Now who's pettily insulting SE???

And spare me the 'what have you done to fix this' nonsense. I don't have to be part of fixing it. It's not my job. Sending SE money every month is my job.

Anyways, we have one week to see what SE will do ...which I don't understand why there isn't another 'tourney' this week??? It's not like the game is going to get flooded with MGP and Cards if it's a weekly tourney...

I honestly don't expect SE to make any sweeping changes at this point. The damage has been done. That said, the very least they could do is make a formal public apology & acknowledge how big of a mess this was. Its a big deal. The raid equivalent of something like this would be if a brand new raid was released (lets say Alexander) & players found a way to circumvent the encounter, were rewarded for it, & then the loot they acquired was not available to anyone else in the game. If this happened, how would it be received? People would be outraged & probably cancel subs. So quit sweeping it under the carpet SE, own up to it, apologize to the community & find a way to make it up to us.

The biggest problem with the Lightning card being a tournament prize, in my opinion, is that it makes it too extremely rare for what it is. So we have four prize cards, right? Lightning was this past week, no tournament this week, Cecil is next week, then no tournament, then another card, then no tournament, then another card, then no tournament, and then we finally get back to Lightning. So if that assumption is correct, and my quick count of weeks on my calendar is correct, then the tournament starting April 28 will be the next chance for Lightning. That's almost two months before anyone can even have a chance to get it, and then only three people can get it.

I like the idea mentioned about of having more tournaments.

I'm curious, and apologies if this has been brought up before. With the current system, is it possible for a player to win multiple Lightning cards?

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Originally Posted by DarkDedede

I'm curious, and apologies if this has been brought up before. With the current system, is it possible for a player to win multiple Lightning cards?

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Yes a single character can win the card multiple times but only in separate tournaments. On alts they can win more than one in a single tournament by having their alts take up other positions in the ranking but they can only add to their packs once on any. If already got it and added to their packs then gets same treatment as any other duplicate card in that can only throw away or sell back to the card trade NPC. But yes you can win multiple cards in the same tournament if use alts to win one on each especially if they cheat on them too buying wins and being in collusion with their friends/FC members and yes you can win more than one card on a single character spread out over multiple tournaments, you can only add to pack once on any character though.

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

Your original comment did nothing good, helped no-one, not even SE or the rest of the player base

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Sounds similar, I think I've read replies like that before. Ah right, when I send a ticket ingame asking for help with a quest bugging/not being available..


I don't think there is anyone that honestly thinks the tournament was well thought out. And there have been a good few suggestions on the forums. (and that is the english forums alone, I imagine there are quite a few more and well thought out idea on the JP forums)