I'm bringing this up after trying to queue for Duty Roulette: Frontlines.
Whilst I was waiting for entry, already queue'd up for 21 minutes, my friend decided to queue up for his respective roulette as well. 14 minutes later, he got entry and I didn't.
When he got back out of his match, he queue'd up again and he got instant-entry. Whilst my queue accumulated up to 52 minutes. Lastly, while he was doing the match, one member of his team left so there was a spot open and again I didn't get entry. I tried to queue up alternating between roles every minute and I just couldn't get in. So I gave up.
Extra info:
We were queue'd as the same role at first
We're in the same Grand Company
We both used 'Join in progress'
He's rank 11 while I'm rank 2
The only difference I see is the difference in rank. If someone could enlighten me as to what happened I'd be happy because at the moment I don't feel very invited to start PvP'ing if I keep getting excluded due to my rank.
The PvP Queue Time Mystery
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03-01-2015, 02:06 AMRoyinThe PvP Queue Time Mystery
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03-01-2015, 02:08 AMSaccharin
Different job?
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03-01-2015, 02:45 AMVaer
Language settings?
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03-01-2015, 03:47 AMRoyinQuote:
Originally Posted by Saccharin
Both the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vaer
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03-01-2015, 03:50 AMWarlyx
yup something has been wrong with pvp queue since....forever :( i gonna think there is a bugs(s) somewhere because all about pvp queues makes no sense
u can queue and wait 1h ...nothing leave , rejoin and will pop in less than 5 min....something is fishy about it no doubt -
03-01-2015, 03:53 AMKiara1
Yeah has happened to me a lot. The only thing that was different was that I was pvp rank 40 and my friend pvp rank 10. And he got instapop while I had waited for 60 min.
When we queue together I get faster queuetimes. -
03-01-2015, 05:00 AMDhex
Yeah. I did a few matches the other day.
Exact same team each time I queue'd in - knew the players by name.
They'd get in right at the start of a new match and I would not get a queue to pop until almost 2-5minutes into the round.
There is no reason that should happen... -
03-01-2015, 02:35 PMWobble
It's really weird. One queue I did as BLM and was instant and another WHM and was forever.
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03-01-2015, 03:17 PMSirius-Khan
Hurts my soul that when i look at the standings people have 100 games of pvp in a week and i can barely get 30 to pop
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03-01-2015, 03:42 PMAmetrine
Since "Slaughter" became a thing and PVP got a Roulette, I've only been able to do 3 matches as the wait time is ENORMOUS. I always go as a WHM or PLD, too, and I'd see an FC member whom PVP's as much as I do/did land in matches more rapidly despite us both being Flames and her always going as a PLD or NIN.
It's very strange who the roulette for PVP just doesn't seem to work at all. It's honestly better just to use the duty finder on them regularly! -
03-01-2015, 04:38 PMTinsleythis has happened to me more than once.. it's frustrating as hellQuote:
Originally Posted by Royin
this ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Ametrine
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03-02-2015, 04:06 AMRed_Wolf
The fixes needed are obvious but SE is being stubborn.
First: Remove GC restriction. Sorry roleplayers but us PvPers want to kill you without waiting 30 minutes a turn.
Second: Give people a Frontlines Roulette reward boost. Secure isn't popping because Slaughter has the achievements. It will continue to be dead until there is a slight incentive to go back. Changing the roulette reward will make this happen.
Third: Allow light parties and less to Q for Frontlines and Roulette. -
03-02-2015, 04:22 AMRhas1st: not going to happen (anytime soon) because its GC vc GC vs GC. They would have to completely redesign PVP from the ground up nd that it's happening with heavensward so close. I agree there is something wrong with the queue and yes I want to get in without the horrid waits but... there are just some things they are not going to do because it take a lot of time and resources to do what you are asking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Red_Wolf
2nd: You *do* get a reward boost, just like every other roulette. Once a day. Secure does pop because I get it often enough.
3rd: You can queue up in parties if you are in the same GC. Never have tried qeueing with a parting into the roulette though yet. I have however qeue'd many times with people in the same GC. If you are talking about roulette only, don't include Frontlines in general, sorry in advance if you and your friends are not in the same GC. -
03-02-2015, 04:44 AMRed_WolfHave you ever programmed before? This is an easy fix. It just removes restrictions when creating parties. It would probably be as easy as commenting out one if... then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhas
You don't actually receive GC rewards from Frontlines so no issue there. The achievements might need some tweaking. To get over this you either earn achievements towards the other GC or you make a mercenary system where it still rewards your own GC's achievement.
50 and 20... Am I missing something? PvP forums suggested a PvP experience reward for this roulette. I like that idea.Quote:
2nd: You *do* get a reward boost, just like every other roulette. Once a day. Secure does pop because I get it often enough.
The roulette is single player only and you have to be in the same GC to Q for the specific instance. These restrictions need to disappear.Quote:
3rd: You can queue up in parties if you are in the same GC. Never have tried qeueing with a parting into the roulette though yet. I have however qeue'd many times with people in the same GC. If you are talking about roulette only, don't include Frontlines in general, sorry in advance if you and your friends are not in the same GC.
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03-02-2015, 05:13 AMRhasAs a matter of fact, yes I have. I have worked on systems from waaay back in the MUD days and created new content/designed new areas up to MMO including GW2. Just an easy fix, I think not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Red_Wolf
For it to work the way you are suggesting, they would need to revamp it similar to what Rift did once upon a time when they added the 3 generic pvp teams fighting against each other.
Their whole concept is Adder Vs Flames vs Maelstrom. They would need to change it to 3 completely separate unrelated teams, or remove everyones dependence on 1 GC. For example, if you are a member of the flames, you cannot upgrade your reputation with the Adders and/or Maelstrom factions without declaring you are no longer a flame (for the time being and a cooldown period) For PvP if you are part of the flames, you are competing against the adders and maelstrom. You can't *just* remove the limitations on the party makup. This is a core concept.
Can you, if you are a flame, even go over to the Adders, talk to their NPC, get their GC quest or even dual them in TT? No, you can't.
Here is what you are asking them to do: revamp PvP; change their lore; with the changed lore, create new lore for the change; change how GC interract with each other; modifying all the affected NPC to reflect new changes to dialog; DF changes for new grouping system; achievement changes; reward changes; title changes; cutscene changes; communication changes (you are currently barred from all forms of outgoing chat outside the instance, this would possibly no longer be required); probable other changes that I can't even think of at the moment up to and including possible localization changes. -
03-02-2015, 05:20 AMDhexQuote:
Originally Posted by Red_Wolf
I agree. Even Ballista in FFXI eventually did away with the restrictions on their PVP. Simply put a quick dialog with your GC and a few tweaks to how the queue works (sorting people into teams freely rather than by company) and add incentives EX: more PVP EXP and a data-center wide Ranking/Leader Board you've essentially fixed the problem. -
03-02-2015, 06:11 AMRed_WolfI think you are confusing how little GC actually affects Frontlines besides team placement. BTW, I'm NOT saying make it 3 generic PvP teams. You can keep the GC for symbolic reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhas
Lore changes? Just call them a mercenary and problem solved.
There aren't any GC rewards that I know of. I already acknowledged the achievement changes.
You don't need to change NPC interactions at all. You don't need to change communication at all. -
03-02-2015, 06:22 AMWarlyx
pvp players could careless what flag they are representing , they just want to....gasp....kill other players... and fast queues help them do that.
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03-02-2015, 06:34 AMAkira_Tenshi
It's always takes me over an hour to get into PVP so I just don't bother with it now. It's a shame because it is a lot of fun but the queue times are just too much.
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03-02-2015, 06:43 AMElim
I've had very funny things happen in PvP Q as well.
For example: A friend and I Q up at the same time. I didn't let him know I was so we weren't in a group. It pops for me, not for him. I get in, spots are open because some people didn't accept. Match starts. Spots are still open, and they stay open till the point that the match doesn't accept new members.
The only way I can explain that is a stream of players who were ahead of him didn't accept their in-progress pop. Which is kind of odd. Very odd.
He didn't get a pop for a good 25 minutes, btw. -
03-02-2015, 06:44 AMAmetrine
What's so bizarre to me is that the addition of Slaughter was clearly meant to make PVP more popular, but it's just broken the entire system.
Does PVP Roulette have the Wolves Den levels within it? That would certainly help the long queues!
Something has to be done. This is just insane. -
03-02-2015, 08:55 AMTurin
PVP would be awesome if you could get in. They need to remove restrictions, though. Start first with rank matching. Even go as far as getting rid of the GC requirement. Just put the first 72 people in together and call it a day. It will make PVP massively more popular.