About pet or summoning classes: I know the rumors, but...

...are they correct? Is it true that Final Fantasy XIV will definitely not include any pet or summoning classes? I was hoping they meant no pet/summoning for a while...! I left my Summoner half-way leveled in FFXI, thinking that I would be able to retake the job-type in this game. From my perspective, this would be an enormously frustrating limitation for the game, if it were so. What about Puppetmaster? Or Beastmaster?

What exactly has been officially said about this, if anything at all? Developer, or moderator feedback would be greatly appreciated. ;)

And what does the player-base think about this issue? In case the rumors I've heard are correct, should we start a petition for the inclusion of said class types?

Also, would it be possible for anybody to provide web links to what everybody (but me) seems to know about what the devs have said on this point, please?

Rute

The devs during Tanaka's time said there wouldn't be pet classes at launch, because they wanted to balance the other classes first, but they would make their way into the game eventually. Yoshi hasn't said anything about pet classes so far, AFAIK.

Would be nice to hear an update, or what their current plans are regarding pet classes.

we wont be getting job system for a while yet, so cant see a pet type class till after that i would guess,

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Originally Posted by aizer

we wont be getting job system for a while yet, so cant see a pet type class till after that i would guess,

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Yes, but I don't want to guess. I want to know for sure whether it will happen, and, more or less, what direction they are considering. I'm not asking for specifics; only general pointers to assuage my fears that it won't happen at all.

They have expressed their intent to make pets and pet classes, but not much else besides that that isn't chocobo-related.

For summoner the reason it might not appear in-game is due to storyline reasons and how the summons themselves are presented in this game, compared to other FF games.

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Originally Posted by Rutelor

Yes, but I don't want to guess. I want to know for sure whether it will happen, and, more or less, what direction they are considering. I'm not asking for specifics; only general pointers to assuage my fears that it won't happen at all.

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Yoshi-P has already confirmed that they are coming, but hasn't given a date. This was before 1.18, so I don't know when we will see this type of class/job in the game, it might not be in this year, but we will get pet classes.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

They have expressed their intent to make pets and pet classes, but not much else besides that that isn't chocobo-related.

For summoner the reason it might not appear in-game is due to storyline reasons and how the summons themselves are presented in this game, compared to other FF games.

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I must confess I'm not that familiar with the lore, and therefore ignore aspects of the it that would make SMN improbable as a class. Would you mind elaborating, so that there's a discussion here of whether this should remain so?

Current lore is a class or job like SMN simply can't exist because of the current storyline. Pet classes like Beastmaster or uh say, Shepard could exist but they won't introduce them for a very long while.

actually jennestia according to the the story summoning is very possible. Its a very dangerous thing as it "comes at a massive cost on the summoner in terms of body mind and spirit". wish i could go rewatch the r36 stuff to get the actual phrase used.

the same cs hints that it will not be the primals that we will get to call as well.

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Originally Posted by Griss

actually jennestia according to the the story summoning is very possible. Its a very dangerous thing as it "comes at a massive cost on the summoner in terms of body mind and spirit". wish i could go rewatch the r36 stuff to get the actual phrase used.

the same cs hints that it will not be the primals that we will get to call as well.

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Exactly, when linked with how summoner is generally implemented, the current storyline disallows for players to become summoners. Generally a summoner is one that calls forth an image/avatar of one of the beasts, however the current beasts are the Primals, which we can't summon. So we need more story in order to make such a class possible, because it has to explain how we can get around all of these blocks.

They did it with FFXI 3 times (Summoning is forbidden magic, #1, Fenrir kills you as you summon it but he will always be a part of you, #2, Diabolos tried to kill you off, but ended up lending you his power, #3) so we have to wait for the story to progress more as well as side storylines in order to make a class like Summoner actually work.

It seems pretty open right now in terms of the storyline.
I believe we adventurers with the echo have some power that is shared with the Primals.
Perhaps that link will enable us to summon them in some way or form.


For now lets get ready to kill Ifirit and see where it goes from there.
As far as pets go, I'm looking forward to something else.......
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...30-Beastmaster

Does anyone actually read the storyline??? Primals can be summoned. And the storyline already tells you that the "player" has the ability to do so.

See the r38 story mission. Read your conversation with Ifrit more carefully.

@K66:
Well my reason is that their power is touted as being extremely great, Ifrit being as gigantic as he is, and the implication that you can only pledge to one Primal, they would need to do some more elaboration/expansion on the story part in order to make them usable by players. Making you pick only 1 Summon to use sounds pretty interesting, though, and a good way to make players unique among each other. I don't know how it would fly with the rest of the community.

Well, I'm sure that, lorewise, barriers can always be surmounted by means of inspired, creative writing. And so far, the lore-makers seem to have made a pretty consistent world with a captivating history that "makes sense." I'm sure they can find inventive ways of allowing a desired development turn, and at the same time create an interesting turn of events. They are planning new races... they could just as well introduce a hieratic class of summoners, with a practice coming to Eorzea from one of the other lands, even if they're presented as heretical, or criminal. FFXI had a touch of that.

As to the fact that we might need to choose one summon among many, the elemental balance could be reintroduced by means of weaker summons for the other elements, in the manner of the elemental spirits of XI, which would then have more utility (and, feasibly, power) here. Someone mentioned, and it sounded like a great idea, making the guardian deity play some role in summoning too; this could introduce some sort of generalized basic powers, which in some way could compensate (albeit partially) for whatever summon "specialization" made you lack. And so on, and on...

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Originally Posted by Estellios

@K66:
Well my reason is that their power is touted as being extremely great, Ifrit being as gigantic as he is, and the implication that you can only pledge to one Primal, they would need to do some more elaboration/expansion on the story part in order to make them usable by players. Making you pick only 1 Summon to use sounds pretty interesting, though, and a good way to make players unique among each other. I don't know how it would fly with the rest of the community.

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That could be a good idea, especially if they make you level it up (or grow in any form). We had the summoning skill in XI but it could be fun to level the summons separately.

It would be cool if you had to pledge to one primal...and say you could change your pledge through a long/hard quest on a long timer (weeks/months).

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Originally Posted by Kazai

It would be cool if you had to pledge to one primal...and say you could change your pledge through a long/hard quest on a long timer (weeks/months).

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LOL, I also miss long/hard quests. Otherwise, I would like either solution... but I agree with you, I do want more challenge in the game. I remember questing to unlock SMN in XI (argh! leeches!) and then dying so many times trying to get the avatars... (/sighs with nostalgia)

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Originally Posted by Delmontyb

Yoshi-P has already confirmed that they are coming, but hasn't given a date. This was before 1.18, so I don't know when we will see this type of class/job in the game, it might not be in this year, but we will get pet classes.

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This and the fact that the lore DOES allow for smn's ... ignore every1 saying otherwise, they need to pay more attention and look at other FF's in contrast haha

Thank god Yoshi is smarter than the majority of this community :P Hang tough till after job system is implemented. They've been in the planning stages for awhile now... he knows how much they're wanted and how easily they fit into the lore lol

In some way, certain I refuse to say spoiler beasts had the power to "summon" something in the R38 story quest... if that's possible, I can see how summoning can also be possible as a job.

Like others, I came to FFXIV as a summoner from FXI.

They made healing & buffing FUN and had more skills at their disposel than any other class.

Not to mention their powers had to be earnt through trialing battles.

In my opinion there wasn't a more rewarding job.

Although the storyline does imply that the "Primals" are more godlike than anything else, there are loop-holes that would allow SMN to be introduced.

Summoner is a rich lore of final fantasy, as we have been able to summon since Final Fantasy III - Final Fantasy XIII.

It would be a slap in the face to the title to not include this job.

hahahah @ people thinking a "story line" will stop one of the main and must used classes in FF history lol. cracks me up.

P.S. being able to call only one avatar is stupid. i don't want.

Devs have already confirmed SMN will be in FFXIV. Search the forums bro, there are many many posts on this topic similar to yours and some specific to how players want the pet class/jobs to play.

Final Fantasy MMO without Summoner, Beastmaster, PUP, or other unused pet clases thus far would be AWFUL.

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Originally Posted by Forbin

Final Fantasy MMO without Summoner, Beastmaster, PUP, or other unused pet clases thus far would be AWFUL.

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Summoner ok, it's standard.
But the others? I don't know. There are many great Final Fantasy without Beatmaster und PUP
Maybe later in 2 years.

There are hints to pup in the opening CS in Ul'dah. It's just not likely to happen until we get a first expansion.

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Originally Posted by Rutelor

...are they correct? Is it true that Final Fantasy XIV will definitely not include any pet or summoning classes? I was hoping they meant no pet/summoning for a while...! I left my Summoner half-way leveled in FFXI, thinking that I would be able to retake the job-type in this game. From my perspective, this would be an enormously frustrating limitation for the game, if it were so. What about Puppetmaster? Or Beastmaster?

What exactly has been officially said about this, if anything at all? Developer, or moderator feedback would be greatly appreciated. ;)

And what does the player-base think about this issue? In case the rumors I've heard are correct, should we start a petition for the inclusion of said class types?

Also, would it be possible for anybody to provide web links to what everybody (but me) seems to know about what the devs have said on this point, please?

Rute

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Who told you this extremely odd rumors? xD
Read Lodestone BEFORE posting things as this, please.

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Originally Posted by DNO

hahahah @ people thinking a "story line" will stop one of the main and must used classes in FF history lol. cracks me up.

P.S. being able to call only one avatar is stupid. i don't want.

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Like in FFX-2?

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Originally Posted by DNO

P.S. being able to call only one avatar is stupid. i don't want.

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It's not stupid, it's called balance, which is why even in MMOs with a Pet focus you can only call one. This is why it's good Yoshida is indeed smart.

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Originally Posted by Misha

This and the fact that the lore DOES allow for smn's ... ignore every1 saying otherwise, they need to pay more attention and look at other FF's in contrast haha

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None of the current storyline specifically says:

"You (player) can become a summoner if you do x, y, z."

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they need to pay more attention and look at other FF's in contrast haha

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You need to pay more attention to it as well before you go telling other's they need to:

FFIII - You need the power from the crystal and purchase the summoning stones from another world.
FFIV - Summoners were killed off, Rydia survives, there exists a land of summons where she trained. (This nor anything regarding actual summoners beyond "Primals have alligned themselves with the beastkin", meaning they're in their "prime" form and not "avatars" exists in current FFXIV lore, just a bunch of people that can SORT OF issue commands to them.)
FFV - Again, you need power from the crystal.
FFVI - Espers were a tad different, but you need magicite in the end.
FFVII - Materia.
FFVIII - GFs were generally fought and obtained
FFIX - Inherited power.
FFX - Heavily linked to the storyline (This is what you call summoner through story and lore)
FFX-2 - .
FFXI - They're Elemental, Celestial, Terrestial and Temporal gods. You fight them and summon an avatar of them. Story wise, Summoning was made forbidden magic after the great war because of how Fenrir destroyed Windurst and killed it's summoner, the story revolves that you're actually 'secretly taught' the art of summoning because Carbuncle felt you wouldn't have to make the same decision as Kara-Bara."
FFXII - Espers return in a different way.
FFXIII - Heavily linked to the storyline, yet again.
FFXIV - No storyline relation beyond Primals exists. No summoners exists, there's no "The great summoner (name) etc etc" story yet.

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Thank god Yoshi is smarter than the majority of this community

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I agree.

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he knows how much they're wanted and how easily they fit into the lore lol

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You mean when he implements Summoner the storyline/Quest will then be implemented...like it was said? Obviously the story will be extended in order to fit it in, which is what a few people said.

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There are hints to pup in the opening CS in Ul'dah. It's just not likely to happen until we get a first expansion.

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Those Matons are similar to XI's Automata but that's not a hint. They're just little machines programmed to do certain tasks -- PUP originally was supposed to be Necromancer, so instead of undead they created Automata in place for the job's pet.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

Those Matons are similar to XI's Automata but that's not a hint. They're just little machines programmed to do certain tasks -- PUP originally was supposed to be Necromancer, so instead of undead they created Automata in place for the job's pet.

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There is nothing saying they won't be re purposed and made into a pup like job. I honestly don't think a lot of people here really know how fluid like the development teams assigned too mom projects can be. Nothing is ever really set in stone. Everything is subject to change.

i cant wait to see how they interweave the summons into the storyline. my guess is it will have heavy ties to gridania as the horned boy for grids starting CS had hints of summons. as for how they implement this i would like to throw out a few possible solutions.

Magicite
- you must fight the summon to earn its respect as part of a specific quest. (company/guild related)
- every chr has a "Magicite slot" on their weapons as well as the Materia slots
- for non-summoners and summoners alike, adds elemental bonuses to weapon or stat increaces/special abilities that can be learned
- Summoner specific allows ability to summon that Primal (can be "learned" so you can summon without it being equipped, learning adds extra bonuses)

One summon limit
- Could be good if they make it very specilized
- ifrit gives bonus to fire res, fire attack bonus, etc
- Gives you a bunch of other creatures to summon within that Primals "domain" (Ifrit give you fire elemental, flame lizzard, and other fire creature summons, they can gain levels and gain new abilities)
- allow the ability to change if a new primal comes out or you decide you want a different summon.
- would require to rebattle the Primal?
- Lose or retain any extras you gained when you switch then switch back?
- i think this one, while it could be kewl, has too many "but then's" and is not traditional summoner style. but SE has the creative rights to do whatever the hell they want right?

so far they havent even released ifrit as anything more than a quick CS so i seriously doubt they will add in summons till sometime after the PS3 release when they start adding in content instead of just foundational fixes. it will most likely be part of their first expansion pack, just my guess. but it will be coming.

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Originally Posted by Medura

Who told you this extremely odd rumors? xD
Read Lodestone BEFORE posting things as this, please.

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Medura, I thought I had read around quite a bit, after I read the mentioned rumor in one of the main fan-site fora. Evidently I didn't read enough. :-P

However, to mend my ways, would you mind posting a link to the Lodestone page where these rumors are contradicted?

Thanks in advance, :-)

Rut

Hopefully for summoners summons won't be just a one-time attack (Like magic for them) so I don't get tempted to yell "PERSONA!"

Dev somewhere left a post saying (in the chocobo thread?) that they are looking into giving players more then chocobos for pets and they said job specific pets, not sure if that means summoner OR that different jobs get job specific pets... In any case pets of some sort are probably on the way if not for the sole reason that people love them.