Duty Finder Idea: "Party Again?" feature

When doing dungeons I think to myself, what if our party is good enough to keep redoing the same dungeon over and over. Having a "party again" feature will allow positive things to happen:

1) No wait time after the first que.
2) More exp for the time you would have missed waiting for the DF to que again.
3) Have longer convos with new people.

Only drawback is if 1 person needs to leave then probably everyone would need to reque as well. However, I think this feature would do more good than bad.

What does everyone think about this idea?

Whilst great on paper there needs to be more incentive to run dungeons multiple times for this to be useful. Currently the xp and loot from dungeons are negligible. Most people only run dungeons either for their first story clear or as part of a roulette for the bonus xp and tomestones. The majority wouldn't use this feature because after the first run the reward is much much smaller.

We would need to see much more useful loot and much better xp rewards for there to ever be a chance of having all four players actually want to run it again...

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Originally Posted by Alberel

Whilst great on paper there needs to be more incentive to run dungeons multiple times for this to be useful. Currently the xp and loot from dungeons are negligible. Most people only run dungeons either for their first story clear or as part of a roulette for the bonus xp and tomestones. The majority wouldn't use this feature because after the first run the reward is much much smaller.

We would need to see much more useful loot and much better xp rewards for there to ever be a chance of having all four players actually want to run it again...

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Two words: Zodiac grind. I'd totally utilize this if I got a good party.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Two words: Zodiac grind. I'd totally utilize this if I got a good party.

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Yes but what are the odds that the entire party you found through DF would actually be there to grind for just the weapon? The majority of people using the DF do it just for a roulette bonus and thus have no reason to run it again with you... Without some incentive for the majority of players to want to run multiple times this would be a wasted feature.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

Yes but what are the odds that the entire party you found through DF would actually be there to grind for just the weapon? The majority of people using the DF do it just for a roulette bonus and thus have no reason to run it again with you... Without some incentive for the majority of players to want to run multiple times this would be a wasted feature.

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Why would we assume that EVERYONE in the party would have to continue? If one wanted to bow out, simply replace them with someone from the queue. As far as incentive, I find a good party to be incentive in and of itself; there could always be something else to go with it to entice those that aren't of the same mind, though.

Wow has a similar feature that works very well. Basically, your "party" and the "instance Party" are two different groups. If you like a group that you ran with all the leader has to do requeue again and everyone gets a prompt. If they want to continue they accept, if they dont, they bow out and leave. Those that decide to stay enter the queue as a group. I would be OK with a similar system in FF14 not just for dungeons but Coil farming or even Duty finder groups that are trying to learn T9.

Well this feature will probably be most used when leveling from 15-50/60, due to the nature of how much DD suffers trying to get into a party, this will "potentially" allow them to cut sometime between ques. Yes there will be times where people will want to opt out, but if the opportunity comes where everyone wants to keep on partying then they should.

Most DF party in FFXIV don't need to be experts to beat any of the 1-50 ( not hard mode) dungeons. So Any DF party would benefit from this feature.

It's logical thus it won't be done due to lolps3limitations

There are a lot of quests like the relic quests that require you to leave through the exit portal to get your item, so a party again feature wouldn't work without major reprogramming of a bunch of quests.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

There are a lot of quests like the relic quests that require you to leave through the exit portal to get your item, so a party again feature wouldn't work without major reprogramming of a bunch of quests.

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Not sure what's hard about programming it too drop on boss kill.

those poor DPS queues

I actually remember reading that YoshiP actually has this on his docket of things to do.

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Originally Posted by Chihaya

those poor DPS queues

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Those poor DD's that want the same treatment as Healers and Tanks. Oh my! I am asking too much *Over-dramatic*

I'm not sure if this is "fair" on the DPS still waiting in queue.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Those poor DD's that want the same treatment as Healers and Tanks. Oh my! I am asking too much *Over-dramatic*

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Well in a theme park if you like a ride you still have to go to the back of the queue after each ride. You can't just say "hey let's do it again". If you look at the server resources utilization, people next in queue are supposed to get and are rightfully entitled to that server resource (i.e. instance allocation).

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Originally Posted by Zfz

I'm not sure if this is "fair" on the DPS still waiting in queue.



Well in a theme park if you like a ride you still have to go to the back of the queue after each ride. You can't just say "hey let's do it again". If you look at the server resources utilization, people next in queue are supposed to get and are rightfully entitled to that server resource (i.e. instance allocation).

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In the end what does this solve? Hours upon hours of waiting for a que to pop will evenually:

1) People just give up on the que
2) Wasting time waiting for the que to pop ( yes you could do something else but for people that are dungeon only people will just be sitting and waiting).

As of right now, it's affecting all DPS. So we need a system that will help with this issue. This system may or may not help, but at least there will be DPS players who can keep grinding. Besides there will be quite a few people that will bail after 1 run. ( since this is a casual game for the most part, you can see people leaving after 1 or my 2 runs).

Edit: also, you have to take into account the people that make their own parties. Yes there is alot of questioning if something like this is possible, but at least this is like a starting point on which they could build off of and create something that could be of use to all DPS's.

I've cleared Shiva in a DF group 1 shot... would have been nice to have a play again and continue farming with the group cuz god knows finding people who can beat that EASY primal is pissing me off. Even my own linkshell is always busy and unable to fill the party entirely.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Those poor DD's that want the same treatment as Healers and Tanks. Oh my! I am asking too much *Over-dramatic*

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Over-dramatic indeed, this is cycling the same DPS over and over again while just making the DPS still in queue to wait longer.

You know that your first queue as DPS is probably going to take much longer to pop right?
Not only DPS out number healer/tank, now the DPS that got in can just keep going and not allow new DPS that have been in line to enter.

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Originally Posted by Chihaya

Over-dramatic indeed, this is cycling the same DPS over and over again while just making the DPS still in queue to wait longer.

You know that your first queue as DPS is probably going to take much longer to pop right?
Not only DPS out number healer/tank, now the DPS that got in can just keep going and not allow new DPS that have been in line to enter.

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Well, sitting here doing nothing about it isn't going to bring about equality either. At least it's a rough idea. Maybe even put a limit on the amount of times you can use party again.

There really isn't anything that can be done about DPS queue without adding more players rolling as healers and tanks... New thread about this every other day.

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Originally Posted by PariSexus

Wow has a similar feature that works very well. Basically, your "party" and the "instance Party" are two different groups. If you like a group that you ran with all the leader has to do requeue again and everyone gets a prompt. If they want to continue they accept, if they dont, they bow out and leave. Those that decide to stay enter the queue as a group. I would be OK with a similar system in FF14 not just for dungeons but Coil farming or even Duty finder groups that are trying to learn T9.

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Just do it like this and everything will be fine. Not bumping in front of other people in the queue making them wait longer. Party stays the same and can keep running with the same people.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

Currently the xp and loot from dungeons are negligible.

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You do realize that while EXP is actually relevant, dungeon EXP is very fast, right? About one level per run at its peak, half a level when the road to 50 is winding down so long as you eat food.

It reminds me much like most fps/racing/multiplayer online games where once an instance is done everyone that participated is lobbied and then they "vote" on the next instance eg. race/map etc..

Could something similar be implemented where once completing a dungeon when clicking on the exit you get a pop up asking if you wish to go to "lobby" where it would then keep your party intact and move you to an interserver lobby where you have a short time limit maybe 1 minute or so to discuss and re-run a dungeon or a different one. The time limit would have to be short enough to stop people from idling in a place that could potentially use up quite a bit of server bandwidth. It could be done simply by having the leader re-queue the dungeon that everyone wants just as if you was in a party finder group and if anyone drops when the dungeon is queued it is just entered into the duty finder as normal.

One more thing I can think of is would it be appropriate to allow people to change jobs, people could abuse it by changing to another job to grief other people, but the flexibility of people being able to swap would also allow someone to switch to tank if their tank dropped and wanted to still continue re-running the dungeon with the other 2 people. Perhaps only allow job changing if it is an incomplete party, as currently the duty finder doesn't accept unorthodox party setups.

I would love an option like this. I've been seeing a lot of threads like this lately but the reality is until SE manages their server infrastructure better all it would do is cause stress and dc ppl. However if they do implement something like this I would love a filter option like matchmaking with people who have cleared similar content. That way you are almost guaranteed a good df party and everyone will know what they are doing. This will add another option to those of us who have cleared content like t9 but due to low server population can't find a group in pf.

I really like this idea. Specially for DPS in DF, because them dont need to re-queue after a dungeon (very usefu for farming XP - yes, dungeon XP is actually relevant)

I really missed this while I was farming my first nexus. I don't think it would be hard to implement this but SE server structure and software is bit weird.. :D

i have wanted this button so may times.

Yah, this would be a great feature. It would be really useful when farming Primals or certain Raids:

* When you run across a great Party in Duty Finder (everyone clicks, having a good time), and people didn't get their drops (e.g., Primal Farming, or, say, Second Coil of Bahamut (certain Turn)), a "Party Again?" feature would be great. :)

But the one downside would be making other players in queue have to wait longer: I could see this party (repeating certain fights over and over together) mean that other players who were waiting for, say, a Tank or Healer to free up, now have to wait even longer.

It's tough, because there are merits to both sides of this discussion.

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Originally Posted by Kiara

Yah, this would be a great feature. It would be really useful when farming Primals or certain Raids:

* When you run across a great Party in Duty Finder (everyone clicks, having a good time), and people didn't get their drops (e.g., Primal Farming, or, say, Second Coil of Bahamut (certain Turn)), a "Party Again?" feature would be great. :)

But the one downside would be making other players in queue have to wait longer: I could see this party (repeating certain fights over and over together) mean that other players who were waiting for, say, a Tank or Healer to free up, now have to wait even longer.

It's tough, because there are merits to both sides of this discussion.

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I do agree that there's a good and a bad side to this. However, it's not like Dungeons are the only means of getting EXP. You can que up Duty Finder and do leves/Fates/Hunting Log/Guildleves (first time through) etc.