Seriously, how can this possibly still be going on?? Everybody on the server knows their botting, they've been reported over and over and over. They bot in the same place 24/7 and have been there for at least 3 months, maybe more...
Would a mod, dev, (I know you guys read these posts because I was banned for 10 days), please explain to us why this is going on? There cannot be any possible excuse left for not getting rid of these guys.
Looking forward to your reply....
Thanks
Bots on Balmung....
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01-06-2015, 12:22 AMSartoriBots on Balmung....
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01-06-2015, 12:31 AMAegisAnd if a GM sends them a tell and they respond the investigation closes. You can't prove a client-side automation system. As long as they aren't pos-hacking and they respond to /tells there's nothing the GMs can do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sartori
The number of people reporting someone can't be allowed to affect the judgement or that means large FCs can grief legitimate players.
I imagine after investigation #10 wherer the botter responds they will stop investigating that person, too. -
01-06-2015, 01:17 AMNashred
I saw bots all blm all over the last week or so on Ultros always in the same spots. I saw probably 50 or more queuing for dungeon runs. IF I see them why cant SE...
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01-06-2015, 02:10 AMNoahArks
99% of the times when I queue for the low level roulette and I end up in copperbell mines I seem to get a tank botter. Really needs to be fixed.
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01-06-2015, 02:13 AMAegis2 things:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nashred
1: Not to white knight PCs that are most likely bots, but if SE talk to them and they respond they cannot prove automation is taking place. Things like pos hacking can be proven, but not automation.
2: SE's STF don't action on a case by case basis, they build up a picture of the network, following the gil/shards till they have identified *all* the players including buyers, then mass-ban them all. -
01-06-2015, 02:21 AMBackflippinbadgerQuote:
Originally Posted by Aegis
If someone's moving around with an afk icon by their name I'm pretty sure they're a bot. That icon disappears when there's user input. -
01-06-2015, 02:29 AMDoctorPepper
To me the answer is pretty simple, combating the bots on a level that would actually make the community happy would cost too much money for them. SE does not like spending money, look at their excuses regarding lack of player housing. I don't find the bots overly intrusive to individual people myself but they can ruin a DF once in a while.
I remember getting a smn who was clearly a bot on T7 one time, it was pretty much chaos and the bot kept spitting out pre-fabbed messages in chat pretending to be a new player who didn't know the fight. At first the bot actually fooled the entire party but by the 3rd wipe it started repeating messages it had already typed into party chat and it became obvious.
That said, bots have the ability to respond to messages in a semi-coherent way which makes it very difficult to prove they are a bot without any doubt. Pretty much anything that SE does to try and combat the bots will be worked around because that's how the botters work. -
01-06-2015, 02:30 AMAegisIn that case, it might fall under #2: the STF can use that bot to track a whole RMT operation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Backflippinbadger
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01-06-2015, 02:52 AMGralna
If you want to get these guys before they get to the farming phase, go to thm guild, from time to time I see several thm in generic gear show up and pos hack from one npc to the next to progress their quests. Worst I saw was 5 at once, teleporting all over the guild.
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01-06-2015, 03:43 AMMaero
I think pretty much every server have bots. In Leviathan lately it has been in Gridania, the main Aetheryte in uldhah, near the merchant at Revenant's toll and in the caves were you mine Gold in Easthern Thanalan. All Black Mages, but months ago there was some botanists as well. While i know the spam messages are just auto generated i send tells back at them telling them off, makes me feel better .....
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01-06-2015, 03:37 PMWadoka
Lately on Gilgamesh it's been stacks of Black Mage clones in AF gear - 3 or 4 identical black mages almost stacked on top of each other, standing next to the main Aetheryte, not doing... anything? For hours.
I don't know what's going on technically. They're just really, really creepy... -
01-06-2015, 04:04 PMNep_NepAgree. Its really disturbing. They're all gathered around the aythernite in Ul'dah and Gridiana in plain sight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wadoka
Sometimes they're not wearing AF gear but solidery too. Usually the solidery ones all have the same face. The AF ones seem to range from large to small. -
01-06-2015, 04:40 PMReokudo
There's these bots in North Shroud, I kill them by opening trade with them the moment they start pulling plasmoids. I mean, if they were a person, they'd close trade and fight instead of staring at it and being pounded faster than a cheerleader on prom night.
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01-06-2015, 05:33 PMReneoQuote:
Originally Posted by Sartori
I've seen one that is almost always standing in one spot in Limsa Lominsa Lower Deck at the marketboard near the Arcanist guild in Balmung. Q.Q I think they were a level 1 marauder lalafell. -
01-06-2015, 06:21 PMkyuven
On a side note, why do these crazy things always happen on balmung?
Yes i'm aware botting happens on all servers, but it seems MUCH more common on balmung
The server so congested no one can seem to join. -
01-12-2015, 03:02 AMSartori
Interesting that a mod or a dev hasn't responded to our concerns about this....
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01-12-2015, 04:15 AMHouse_Valesti
It's not Interesting. This isn't the first time the issue has been brought up and has been addressed in the Past. This isn't the first thread of this kind and wont be the last >.>
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01-12-2015, 04:59 AMVoltaAsuraDo they have to? We all know RMT exists, and those who care to have been reporting it. Have you even seen this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sartori
01/08/2015 6:11 AM
Actions Taken Against In-Game RMT & Other Illicit Activities (Jan. 8)
RMT and other illicit activities upset the balance of the game and, as such, are prohibited under the Terms of Service.
Because we have confirmed the existence of players who are engaging in these illicit activities, we have taken the actions listed below.
Time Period: Dec. 11, 2014 to Jan. 7, 2015
- Accounts receiving disciplinary action for RMT advertising: 2,512
- Accounts receiving disciplinary action for RMT/illicit activity: 4,450
- Action Details: Permanent ban from FINAL FANTASY XIV
- Accounts receiving disciplinary action for participation in RMT/illegal activity: 1
- Action Details: Temporary ban from FINAL FANTASY XIV
Players who discover any confirmed cheats should, under no circumstances, exploit or disseminate such information. Instead, we ask that players file a report by using the in-game command [System Menu] -> [Support Desk] -> [Contact Us] -> [Report Cheating].
We will continue to take stringent disciplinary action against any accounts with confirmed involvement in RMT/illicit activity; players should take care to steer clear of any activity that violates the Terms of Service.
Please stop constantly whining for some mod to grace each thread and comment. They are working on the situation (obviously). -
01-12-2015, 11:39 PMSartoriObviously not since the same bot crew has been in the same place botting 24/7 for the last 4-5 monthsQuote:
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01-13-2015, 01:10 AMAsahinaMyLove
Siren Server has also a player using 5 bots for spiritbounding too. that guy(sadly we cant tell names here <-<) is always in the northshrouds killing all enemys where those electric orbs, bats, big trees are.
Pretty easy to see for people doing Ixal Tribe quests.
I reported him so often.. I gave up.. <.<
I gave up reporting any bots/rmts since then.
I dont wanna spend my paid playtime for reporting ilegal stuff and nothing is going to happen.
Jet, after ->over half year<- he's still around and botting! <o<
Spiritbounding while asleep - getting whole load of Gil. That guy even bought a Nuteater minion for 7mio D:< Not funny!
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01-13-2015, 01:24 AMBillyBones
Oh wow, I wish we had more bots on Moogle. The prices for shards suddenly almost doubled. Guess our bots are getting lazy :(
Seriously, if they help keeping prices for shards and materia low, I don't mind if they stay.
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01-13-2015, 01:34 AMAerowafflePeople bot'ing always means lower prices, which means consumers are happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyBones
But this destroys the market for anyone that is trying to legitimately make gil by being a producer. And the gil that a bot makes just sits there until someone buys it with real money.
People bot'ing is always bad for the market, because they are capable of obtaining quantities of resources that humans can't come close to, and the money they make is almost never used to advance the character that gathers it. It's used to line someones pockets with real money and give someone else a "pay $100 and never worry about money again" option. -
01-13-2015, 01:48 AMBillyBonesIt hurts those who are trying to make money with shards, no doubt. But crafters? I don't think so. If all bots suddenly disappeared and shards would rise to 500gil per piece.. I wouldn't really like that tbh. It would be either pay a high price for shards or go gather yourself, which is incredibly dull and takes up too much time. And about people who buy their gil - it's just another matter of perspective. The RMT prices are very high, anyone who pays 100$ just to get a couple of millions ingame gil is just plain stupid. Besides, they are risking to lose their account. It's a very high risk/low reward thing and is obviously not worth it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aerowaffle
RMT is a part of the ingame economy, just got to accept it. -
01-13-2015, 02:07 AMAerowaffleShards are only farmed by bots because it's only lucrative for bots due to how they drove down the prices. As the price of shards increases, so would the incentive for real people to go gather it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyBones
This RMT is not an intended part of the game, it's gil entering a black-hole that only people willing to spend real money can retrieve. And it's not just "a couple of millions" for $100 dollars. According to all the RMT spammers on Jenova, it's about $50 for 20 million. Which is enough to buy a large land plot I believe, a large accomplishment for a person who does it the natural way. -
01-13-2015, 02:09 AMCronar
personally I think all the anger is misplaced. if there was no gamers buying the gill then it would not be worth the bots time. so I think if we should be angry then we should be taking it out on the gamers who make the bots life worth it. but some how they get a free pass while we rage at a bot. myself personally could care less they don't keep me from enjoying my time in the game.
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01-13-2015, 02:17 AMAerowaffleThere will always be people that try to accomplish their goal using the least amount of effort as possible. Some people are willing to go against the rules of the game and facilitate this RMT market to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cronar
The unfortunate thing for these people that buy gil is that they risk losing the most when both sides of the system gets their account banned.
The bot that gathered the gil doesn't care about the account, and has already earned the real money for the gil. The buyer has lost the thing that they paid for, any additional effort that they placed on the account, and still wont get the money they used to pay for the gil.