Are DPS checks all what they got to make Final Coil difficult?

cleared T10 & T11 ( T12 55% where the strict DPS check start )

and the only hard points of the fights were DPS checks

we didnt have any difficulty with any mechanics but DPS checks

Are DPS checks all what they got to make Final Coil difficult?

hell T6 & T7 were fun

Mr D ran out of ideas :c

Maybe because people are complaining that the mechanics are too tough, one-shot mechanics are too unforgiving etc so FCoB are made towards tank and spank but you have to spank really hard :rolleyes:

Its the only way to make the content easier as you gear up which is the intended design, whereas in older encounters like twintania, T7 etc, no amount of echo or gear will save you

Actually i hated how some encounters (t7 again) became harder as your gear became better as a badly timed phase transition would wipe you :/

They're not hard DPS checks lol.

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Originally Posted by SarcasmMisser

They're not hard DPS checks lol.

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T10 & T11 arent

but T12 is hellish one

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Originally Posted by Crimson-Falcon

cleared T10 & T11 ( T12 55% where the strict DPS check start )

and the only hard points of the fights were DPS checks

we didnt have any difficulty with any mechanics but DPS checks

Are DPS checks all what they got to make Final Coil difficult?

hell T6 & T7 were fun

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2.5 second global cooldown and the poor net code make it impossible to introduce time sensitive or meaningful random mechanics.

T6 was nothing more than a DPS check as well though. Getting bees down fast enough before instant kills, DPS check A. Getting adds down fast enough before the party goes boom, DPS check B. Next to that, there's some positional play. In that sense T6 and T10 are very similar in as to what they offer.

The most important difference though is that after a year of FFXIV, many players have grown accustomed to these sort of mechanics. Making it very easy to adjust to them. But none of that is new to any sort of MMO though. For experienced guilds raid encounters quickly turn into little more than DPS checks anyway. And the time to clear a raid tends to solely depend on the number of bosses within a raid encounter, and the necessity for loot upgrades from the raid itself in order to be able to meet the DPS checks. Mechanics wise nothing is ever truly hard. It's merely a script which you're going through, and as long as all raid members are able to follow the script things quickly become relatively easy.

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Originally Posted by Saccharin

2.5 second global cooldown and the poor net code make it impossible to introduce time sensitive or meaningful random mechanics.

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poor design on raids and no ideas is all i can say

thats why its beaten in 5 days unlike 2nd coil that took around 2 weeks

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Originally Posted by neizero

Its the only way to make the content easier as you gear up which is the intended design, whereas in older encounters like twintania, T7 etc, no amount of echo or gear will save you

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This and only this. Many are still stuck at T5 =D You can count a year or two before they clear T9 (if not carry with gil). People have less and less patience too, 6 hours after 2.4 came up, you could already see: NO LEARNER in PF for shiva, and 12 hours after 2.4 came up, people was shouting: Shiva for sell 10m.

The game design/mechanic was turning real toxic. So ya, i can understand why DEV are slowing down on mechanic.

I get the feeling that most of you people aren't even doing final coil to make such terrible and blatantly false judgments about it's design.

On a different note I'll like to say congrats to the OP! Just last week you apparently hadn't downed t9 according to your post on the Cactaur forums so to clear t9, t10 and t11 in one week is very impressive!

I haven't gone into FCoB yet myself but in talking to people that are near clearing it, I get this feeling that FCoB was designed in a way to be clearable by people who are able to get statics but aren't super crazy hardcore into raiding either. For people that really want the hardest challenge possible, there's savage coil. Apparently, savage coil is far more unforgiving mechanics wise and requires people to always be at the top of their game. That kind of difficulty only caters to a MINUSCULE amount of players. Gating the best gear behind that level of difficulty would make it impossible for 99% of the population to even get past the first turn. Rather, SE has chosen a middle ground where the content is designed to be difficult for us average joes but easily doable by those in the top end statics. For the top end statics, SE gives them savage coil to play in.

FCoB is the same as the rest of coil. Savage just made the "first" type groups a lot better and so they cleared it way faster.

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Originally Posted by Fated

FCoB is the same as the rest of coil. Savage just made the "first" type groups a lot better and so they cleared it way faster.

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I think this has a lot of influence on it too. Savage was already harder than second coil, and probably harder than some - maybe ALL - of final.

Haven't touched FCoB yet, though I do welcome encounters that encourages more on output from the players (healing and damage) rather than over emphasis on mechanics...especially ones that require delicate timing on dps for phasing (cough T7 cough). It's just terrible game design for a encounter to be harder (or adding more checks, like watching so you don't overdps) as you progress in gear.

IMHO, second coil doesn't have a middle ground (or specifically T9 and leaning onto T7, maybe); it already targets high end players especially with the saturation of precise-mechanics that has a player combusting their entire party otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Crimson-Falcon

poor design on raids and no ideas is all i can say

thats why its beaten in 5 days unlike 2nd coil that took around 2 weeks

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Undertuned overly simple content is a bitch.

2 weeks was WAY too fast. 5 days is just a joke.

all 2.0 has shown us is they have no ability to tune content and will instead just feed the casuals whatever they want. Hanging around until the expansion hoping they get their stuff together but with each patch that is looking more and more like wishful thinking

All this crying over how one of the best free companies in the game beat the latest difficult content, with a box of fully melded iL110 crafted gear... Sounds a bit like Iron Man there. You get the idea. Smart players in smartly made gear, sounds legit. People are just hurt that these awesome players didn't farm those turns beforehand. But really, why would they if they didn't have to? Not saying the people doing all the crying suck, but crying about it isn't going to invalidate their clear or make anyone a better player.

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Originally Posted by Zarzak

all 2.0 has shown us is they have no ability to tune content and will instead just feed the casuals whatever they want.

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Gee, you're right. SE needs to stop catering to the vast majority of their player base.

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Originally Posted by SarcasmMisser

I get the feeling that most of you people aren't even doing final coil to make such terrible and blatantly false judgments about it's design.

On a different note I'll like to say congrats to the OP! Just last week you apparently hadn't downed t9 according to your post on the Cactaur forums so to clear t9, t10 and t11 in one week is very impressive!

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Originally Posted by Zarzak

Undertuned overly simple content is a bitch.

2 weeks was WAY too fast. 5 days is just a joke.

all 2.0 has shown us is they have no ability to tune content and will instead just feed the casuals whatever they want. Hanging around until the expansion hoping they get their stuff together but with each patch that is looking more and more like wishful thinking

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1% of the 1%. in full crafted i110 and the first ones to clear savage (mind you savage wasn't tuned, and had ridiculous mechanics. from what i have seen third-party.)

no.