The Name of Eorzea

The Dravanian singing in the Heavensward trailer uses the word Eorzea and yet... in the translation... it's not there!

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Mah morn narr Eorzea
The saviors must perish

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Assuming the word wasn't simply omitted in the translation for flow (Saviors of Eorzea, perhaps), could it be that Eorzea's name is of draconian origin? And, if so, is it the land of saviors / salvation? Or could it be connected to the word "perish" instead?

Separating coincidence from foreshadowing this early on is much harder, lol.

Also, Ma mor na Eorzea. Hm. Are those common syllables in their language? As in Mor Dhona?
Filing that first edit under the coincidence column as more specifics come out.

UPDATE

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Originally Posted by Alberel

Ferne ... emphatically stated that Eorzea means Eorzea and has no special meaning in Dravanian.

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Well that shuts that down! Chalking it up to an unspoken sentence subject or implied reference, I suppose. Then again, "no special meaning" doesn't mean it's not part of the etymolo-no, no, no. Chalking it up to an unspoken sentence subject or implied reference, lol.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

He went on to say that Eorzea does mean something, as the names of all places typically have some sort of meaning, but he couldn't say what that was because it was important and would be revealed later in the story.

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Pleased to be looking forward to it.

My first thought when I heard it was that it was Saviors of Eorzea, as you suggest, or the thing/person they were addressing. "The Saviors Must Perish, Eorzea".

I noticed this as well, but didn't quite think about it as deeply yet. If we entertain the theory that it's attached to "perish" I suppose that could be interpreted as a link to the repetitive umbral eras?

/gotnothin

Wait, are we still talking about the same teaser trailer? I didn't notice no Dravanian singing and translation.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

Wait, are we still talking about the same teaser trailer? I didn't notice no Dravanian singing and translation.

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It's because you can barely hear it in the middle of the strong music, but Koji Fox gave the lyrics so it's official, also as I said in the other topic I think Eorzea simply means "Blessed by the gods/crystal" which apply to both this land and the warriors of light.

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Originally Posted by lololink

It's because you can barely hear it in the middle of the strong music, but Koji Fox gave the lyrics so it's official, also as I said in the other topic I think Eorzea simply means "Blessed by the gods/crystal" which apply to both this land and the warriors of light.

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Really? Cool. The actual Answers lyrics were unknown for years.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

Really? Cool. The actual Answers lyrics were unknown for years.

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Yes, they saw that the players really wanted to know the lyrics in the songs, Titant's Lyrics took time to come but Leviathan's came sooner than that and Ramuh's really fast, so that doesn't surprise me.

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Originally Posted by lololink

It's because you can barely hear it in the middle of the strong music, but Koji Fox gave the lyrics so it's official, also as I said in the other topic I think Eorzea simply means "Blessed by the gods/crystal" which apply to both this land and the warriors of light.

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Or it could mean the opposite according to Anonymoose's alternate interpritation towards "perish", with Eorzea translating to some sort of cursed lands and the Warriors of Light are there as a response to that. We could very well have a "which came first" scenario on our hands.

Considering that dravania is part of Eorzea I don't think they would call their own land "cursed", but maybe our dear one eyed monster can enlighten us on this, these kind of creatures knows curses well ^^".

The question is, who named Eorzea? I doubt the Five Raves would use a Dravanian name. Then again it does seem to mean something in Dravanian. Same question for Mor Dhona. Perhaps it comes from whatever language the Ascians are using. They are hinted to predate Hydaelyn herself, and have a very interesting language. If you remember the flashback to carteneau when Lahabrea talks about Bahamut we never hear his name said out loud

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

Assuming the word wasn't simply omitted in the translation for flow (Saviors of Eorzea, perhaps), could it be that Eorzea's name is of draconian origin? And, if so, is it the land of saviors / salvation? Or could it be connected to the word "perish" instead?
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I've been intrigued with this bit of linguistics myself since we got the translation. However should look at the stanzas of all Dravanian/Draconian to maybe get an idea of syntax.

Dragon part:
Dis an sô
Rus at hi
Sal'jas afarr'a
ma mor nâ, Eorzea !
Translation :
Our slumber disturbed
My brothers wake
Vengeance will be ours
The saviors must perish !

Now the person who wrote this down in the derplander thread may have added the comma after na. however if the comma is there that may mean the sentence could also be read as: THEY must perish, the saviors. again this is looking into syntax. for example the first and third stanzas have translation to ours (Dis an So & Sal'jas afarr'a). I know that there is a bit of tweaking when these languages come into English. Look at Old Sylphic. I almost want to say it could be that its an order of subject possessive verb. But I need to hear more. the third stanza really wrecks it though because of it being 2 words (maybe).

Likely means Perish, from what Koji Fox said, and how he said it, that's the only thing I can think of.

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Originally Posted by DoctaruRavenbe

Now the person who wrote this down in the derplander thread may have added the comma after na. however if the comma is there that may mean the sentence could also be read as: THEY must perish, the saviors. again this is looking into syntax. for example the first and third stanzas have translation to ours (Dis an So & Sal'jas afarr'a). I know that there is a bit of tweaking when these languages come into English. Look at Old Sylphic. I almost want to say it could be that its an order of subject possessive verb. But I need to hear more. the third stanza really wrecks it though because of it being 2 words (maybe).

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Just to say, as everyone seems to be using the lyrics I posted, that Koji Fox didn't wrote the lyrics, he said it, so the dragon part is pretty much me writting down what it sounded like, there might not be a coma in there ^^. ( Also I'm French so I may have misunderstood something =)

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Originally Posted by lololink

Just to say, as everyone seems to be using the lyrics I posted, that Koji Fox didn't wrote the lyrics, he said it, so the dragon part is pretty much me writting down what it sounded like, there might not be a coma in there ^^. ( Also I'm French so I may have misunderstood something =)

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No that's fine I actually took that into consideration. I think we may need to light the Fernwhales signal for an official transcript of those lyrics :3

I've haven't finished all of the Dragoon quests so I might be missing something but--the Elezan were the first of the five races in Eorzea, correct? Perhaps the Dragons/beast tribes/other Dravianians were in Coerthos prior to the Elezan. Eorzea might be a loanword from them prior to relations going to hell. After all its a bit more problematic to rename a geographical region, than say, sliced fried potatoes. ;)

The whole "wandering tribes" bit in the pre Astral/Umbral era and their worship of primals sometimes makes me wonder if some of the beast tribes might predate the five races in Eorzea (Dragons as the "original" race in Eorzea!). . . and I'm getting a bit crazy. I'll go be quiet now before I start talking about my theories on primals.

Well Gamerescape has put up their Everything we know page in the news section and it looks like a better formation of the dragonspeak lyrics (no offense lololink :))

Dys an sohm in
Rhos an kyn
Sah djahs afah an
Mah morn narr

Which translates into:

our slumber disturbed
my brothers wake
vengence will be ours
the saviors must perish

I noticed in the page they omitted Eorzea not sure if this was intentional or not but I think we can use this still

So I spoke to Ferne at the London VIP event this evening and asked him about the word Eorzea in the Dravanian lyrics. His response was a little cryptic but he emphatically stated that Eorzea means Eorzea and has no special meaning in Dravanian.

He went on to say that Eorzea does mean something, as the names of all places typically have some sort of meaning, but he couldn't say what that was because it was important and would be revealed later in the story.

So yeah, Eorzea does not mean anything in Dravanian beyond being the name of a place.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

Ferne ... emphatically stated that Eorzea means Eorzea and has no special meaning in Dravanian.

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Well that shuts that down! Chalking it up to an unspoken sentence subject or implied reference, I suppose. Then again, "no special meaning" doesn't mean it's not part of the etymolo-no, no, no. Chalking it up to an unspoken sentence subject or implied reference, lol.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

He went on to say that Eorzea does mean something, as the names of all places typically have some sort of meaning, but he couldn't say what that was because it was important and would be revealed later in the story.

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Pleased to be looking forward to it.

hmmm I'm thinking the word an in dragonspeak may make the word preceeding it into its opposite.... based on where it was placed in stanzas 1 and 3