In comparison to my melded i55 crafting gloves. I only get +3 more Control and I lose the +3 CP that I have. I decided to go ahead and wear them, because +3 Control is more important to me than the 3 CP that I never use. I was just kinda hoping these gloves would have been a considerable leap in control/craftsmanship for being i70. Well, it would have been nice to maybe have one slot to meld materia in.
Also, I find it extremely lame you can't desynth these. For one, it would have provided people another source to get Mastercraft and Fieldcraft III from. For two, it would keep people doing the Ixal beast tribe quests to keep getting oaknots. I really can't think of a single reason why these gloves shouldn't be desynthisizable.
So the Ehcatl Smithing Gloves are kinda... disappointing
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09-13-2014, 07:27 AMJustPlainLucasSo the Ehcatl Smithing Gloves are kinda... disappointing
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09-13-2014, 07:29 AMJeykama
Just find it stupid you can't do the Ixal dailies with them on.
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09-13-2014, 07:34 AMDonjo
The Artisan's Spectacles just add +3 Control and nothing else. All the i70 gear really did was save you some melding(especially for crafters) while providing a small bonus. I personally never expected the Echatl gloves to be any different.
My question is why it's an odd duck among the i70 pieces. Instead of being equal to the max melded piece plus a little more, this one adds that control bonus but removes the CP. It's the first(and only) i70 crafting/gathering piece that isn't unequivocally better than the max melded i55 piece, and that's just strange. -
09-13-2014, 07:35 AMJustPlainLucasYeah, that was a common complaint I read about, too. Also, I converted all my i55 crafting gloves and got a lot of materia out of it, even a Crafter's Cunning IV, and got excited about it. Until I went to put them on the MB, and I realized Craft IIIs have PLUMMETED. Everyone must be doing the same thing, equipping these gloves, converting their old gear and dumping their materias.Quote:
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09-13-2014, 07:42 AMAzper
I just want to be able to dye them. That yellow, gurl... I can't. X_x
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09-13-2014, 08:49 AMBucy
The gloves and specs save meldings and inventory space. I still have alc to lvl and have only begun melding 1 job. I'm grateful for the i70 gloves and spectacles, they save me lots of gil or time. The lose of CP on the gloves, I plan to make up for on the off-hand.
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09-13-2014, 08:56 AMispano
The gloves should actually have the same stats as the specs, ie they should have the 3CP the specs do, since they are the same ilvl and would have the same amount of stats.
While you are limited in how many oaknots you can get, ie 6 per day, the ease at which you can get them is likely why you can't desynth. Unless it's a bug, but who knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by JustPlainLucas
Actually if you look at other levels of the same slots, like Alc Gloves and Alc head, they have the exact same stats. My point was head/gloves(feet too) have the same stat allowance if you will. MEaning gloves having the same stats except CP, means they are under budgeted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bucy
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09-13-2014, 09:55 AMBucythey don't need to be the same stats as the specs. If one were to do as I suggested above (put on a +3 CP materia on the off hand (instead of a +4 control materia)) one would have the same CP as the standard max meld but +2 control total.Quote:
Originally Posted by ispano
Edit: I see your point, essentially comparing i70 to i55 isn't what we should do. We should compare the i70 to i70 (hands to head) and in that respect they are short stats. -
09-13-2014, 11:04 AMJustPlainLucasIt's mind-numbingly easy to get specs. It just takes a while to do so, but if you plan on farming all the materials and then making them, you can get 10 or specs in a few hours. You have to wait at least two days to get one pair of gloves.Quote:
Originally Posted by ispano
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09-13-2014, 12:06 PMKyros
Fully melded (398) is enough to squeeze in one more Basic touch from the 9-80% 3 Star rotation, making it 8-80% and 1-100%. There is no way of doing this if you swap to the gloves tho, since there is no-where else to add more CP.
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09-13-2014, 03:09 PMstuscott
Yeah - 3 control at the expense of 3 CP is not okay in my book - that CP is way more valuable.
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09-13-2014, 10:47 PMAttacKat^^ This ^^, especially for those looking to HQ 3 stars.Quote:
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It is a good stepping stone gear for those who hasn't fully melted all of their crafting AF gloves. -
09-13-2014, 11:01 PMSartoriThat should have read So the Ehcatl Smithing Gloves are kinda....pointlessQuote:
Originally Posted by JustPlainLucas
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09-14-2014, 01:41 AMBucy
Seems every1 ignores my point, you can meld onto the off-hand a +3 CP instead of control, thus getting the CP back and still gaining +2 control.
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09-14-2014, 01:51 AMispanoNo, you're missing the point. Read the following quote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bucy
You need the 3 on the gloves AND the 3 on the Offhand to hit 398. With HQ Bouillabaisse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyros
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09-14-2014, 04:40 AMDonjoNobody has ever answered this for me, but I've always wondered...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyros
There appears to be a gap between items which require 385 CP to 100% HQ and items which require the entire 398 to 100% HQ. The only items I currently know of that require 398 for this are the i95 Primal Weapons, and those do not need to be HQ as most people are getting them for glamour and not to use them as an actual weapon. Are there any other items out there that require that 398 CP and are absolutely worth getting them to HQ? If not... then is that -3 CP really hurting that much? Well, besides the crafter's pride in HQing everything :) -
09-14-2014, 04:45 AMNalienNo, not yet. But I imagine 2.4 will add new crafted gear in the i110 range that people will be wanting to HQ.Quote:
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09-14-2014, 05:08 AMtremor24
This lack of CP on the gloves has been in accepted bugs for a while now, hopefully they will be updated to include CP sometime soon.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...nds-missing-CP