Yet another silly hunt suggestion

Most likely gonna get bombed down as its silly, but hey,might as well give it a try :D

We all know that buff used by some enemies, that attacking them will stun/damage you. Give A and S marks 2-10 minute lasting "special buff" that makes anyone attacking it afflicted with pacification (30 seconds and renewing on each attack?) that would kinda make people wait the boss buff to wear off, or if they decided to keep attacking it, slow down the killing.

There! i said it!

A and S ranks are still not designed to be zerged by 300+ people. There is no obligation to announce it to the whole server.

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* The Hunt (Letter LIVE XVI; 07/22/2014)
** Rank higher than S to be added to The Hunt.
*** Rank will be on the same level as original difficulty of Odin and Behemoth FATEs.

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I reckon this mark will be designed for such an event.

Here's a thought, No rewards unless you have a mark bill.

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

Here's a thought, No rewards unless you have a mark bill.

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I was hoping they would do that for Elite Marks. Give 3 different targets per bill a week, a B rank, an A rank, and an S rank, no reward unless the hunt you kill is one of those 3 targets, and then, only once for that week. It'd get rid of all the problems people have with hunts in one fell swoop.

I love that rather than promote people working together to share large rewards, so many people on this forum would rather obsolete cooperation while having relatively minimal rewards.

It's as if the hunt system created this weird rift in the MMORPG continuum in which normal gaming tendencies do not exist.

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Originally Posted by Thayos

in which normal gaming tendencies do not exist.

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You mean like actually fighting a mob rather than spamming Medica?

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You mean like actually fighting a mob rather than spamming Medica?

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I mean things like cooperation and progression, no matter the costs... such as 18 people all standing on a giant dragon's front feet, which is totally realistic too.

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Originally Posted by Thayos

I mean things like cooperation and progression, no matter the costs... such as 18 people all standing on a giant dragon's front feet, which is totally realistic too.

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I'm fairly certain content like (players have made) Hunts is exactly why so many non-MMO players look at the genre with such confusion.

People are cooperating, sure, but they're cooperating in what effectively amounts to a mass button mashing contest. It's great that people are actually being decent to one another, but they're doing so by taking gaming to its lowest common denominator. There is no more skill or actually anything interesting in what Hunts have become than there is in a "game" like Cookie Clicker. In fact, I'd place Cookie Clicker as an overall better game than running Hunts with the rest of the zerglings.

Again, it's great that people are cooperating to maximize everyone (who agrees with their way of playing) progression, but damned if it didn't completely destroy the actual content in the process.

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Originally Posted by Thayos

SE didn't intend for hunts to be fought by so many people (which is dumb), but they definitely intended for A-rank and S-rank hunts to be cooperative.

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The only mistake SE made with Hunts was making them the only source of Allied Seals, and making Allied Seals offer such lucrative rewards. That put a massive demand on Hunts which the content was not designed for.

Add alternative means for obtaining Allied Seals, and all problems resolve themselves. Hunts function as they were intended, with groups finding and killing them, rather than the entire server. With an alternative players simply will not care as much about missing an A Rank; they can get their Seals another way. As it stands, miss an A Rank and you've missed those Seals. As the only source of Seals you either get them off the Hunt mob or you miss them. That is the problem with Hunts.

Throw in a viable alternative means to obtaining Allied Seals and Hunts go from a scheduled and systematic melting of mobs, to content pretty much anyone can enjoy, and the drama and mud throwing goes as a result. Only thing SE needs to do, and should have done from the get-go, is ease demand on Hunts.

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Originally Posted by Thayos

The days of standing in line for the FFXI NPC quest are long gone.

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Those were they days, though even back then you'd have the odd person jumping the queue. It's human nature, not the good side of human nature, but still...

Nalien, I totally agree with the first part of your post. MMORPGs are strange animals, for sure.

What strikes me about hunts is people are so angry about them, they're willing to be unnaturally D-bagish (for lack of a better word) toward their fellow gamers as a way of sticking it to SE, or some weird logic like that.

SE didn't intend for hunts to be fought by so many people (which is dumb), but they definitely intended for A-rank and S-rank hunts to be cooperative.

So now you've got a small number of vigilante hunters who seem to be trying to fix the system by imposing their individual wills upon it, on the grounds that that's what SE intended... but instead, they're just breaking the system even more.

There's definitely nothing more mindless than running up and pulling early.

Hopefully, SE remembers this in future game design. This community is very fragile, and a lot of people just don't like being part of a larger social norm, even one developed by their fellow gamers. The days of standing in line for the FFXI NPC quest are long gone.

Maybe my memory is wrong or I am skewed. But I see hunters as a group of self-entitlers that some how have imposed there own martial law on the server. Standing in line politely to get your npc was so different. I remember the line Ghelsba Outpost. The first post here is why. He doesnt want players in the zone to have the hunt. He wants it locked out so they have to wait for everyone else to come.

30 second Pacification? Sure! Let all melee classes suffer as they watch me get credit as a WHM! I love that idea!

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But I see hunters as a group of self-entitlers that some how have imposed there own martial law on the server.

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Except that's not how or why hunt groups started... this was people coming together and figuring out a way to deal with the poor design of hunts in a way that people could actually progress.

If people were acting out of self-entitlement, they never would have come together to cooperate so heavily.

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Originally Posted by Thayos

Except that's not how or why hunt groups started... this was people coming together and figuring out a way to deal with the poor design of hunts in a way that people could actually progress.

If people were acting out of self-entitlement, they never would have come together to cooperate so heavily.

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Not to get to into it. You are seeing them as a glass half full and a design where they should be able to get as many allied marks as playtime allows. I see a design that says players were only suppose to get a few marks. A group of players coming together and enforcing there will on the server and getting as many marks is opposite of the design. The people who came together are not helping anyone but themselves as a group.

Is the design bad? Oh god yes so bad. I am sure SE had an idea how many allied seals were going to be made per server. This altruistic group of people have obliterated it and then some.

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I see a design that says players were only suppose to get a few marks.

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I see a design where players were supposed to start catching up to Coil 2 crowds in prep for the next big patch. And I'm pretty sure I'm right about this, because SE never significantly decreased how many seals people could get.

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A group of players coming together and enforcing there will on the server

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They're not enforcing their will upon anyone. Nothing in the rules prevents people from pulling early as often as they'd like. That said, nothing in the rules prohibits people from refusing to party with (and letting their friends/group members know about) people who continually undermine them.

By all means, though, if players are harassing someone, then they should be reported.

I wish everyone would stop trying to fix hunts. I do not participate in the hunts beyond the daily and weekly hunts, because of the zergfest. I just don't want to lose the drama of many adults acting like 3 year olds that occurs in shout.

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Originally Posted by Stormrider

I see a design that says players were only suppose to get a few marks.

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Would you not say the same for Chocobo raising? It takes forever, it's easier to get a class to 50 than to rank 10 a Choco on your own and It's function actually greatly helps you deal with open world content. Buuuut, Players banded together to find ways of speeding up the process and SE gave us some (stables. If handled well people can get a good amount of EXP working together to train stable Chocos).



Same for Hunt imo. PLayers got together and made a mostly effective system that allows everyone involved the ability to find and get credit for hunts. If SE WANTED it to be limited I'm sure they can make it so that only the first party or 8 players to hit the mark can get cred for it.

As it stands it benefits no one to have a "I saw it first so it's all my mark" pov. You make everyone else on your server wait 3 hours or so before they can even TRY to find the thing AND it will likely take you more time to kill with a reg party. And people like me would never actually be a part of a hunt because apparently I suck at finding A ranks and the one time I did find one without a party was when I came back to the game and saw a ton of people waiting around something big and decided to check it out ....

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

PLayers got together and made a mostly effective system that allows everyone involved the ability to find and get credit for hunts. If SE WANTED it to be limited I'm sure they can make it so that only the first party or 8 players to hit the mark can get cred for it.

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Not everyone. I can't even see A ranks most of the time. And then it disintegrates within 10 seconds before I can even figure out where it's at. There are just way too many people.

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Originally Posted by Thayos

I see a design where players were supposed to start catching up to Coil 2 crowds in prep for the next big patch. And I'm pretty sure I'm right about this, because SE never significantly decreased how many seals people could get.

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For what? The content the gear would truly be useful for in 2.4, they won't be able to do if they haven't done Second Coil in the first place. The content they will be doing will likely be a face roll in i90 still, and if not, i100.

The other thing people forget, and we won't know if it's true or not til later on, is SE does not always "fix" things, even if they are unintended. Turn 2 is an example, they did not intend for people to win that easily, but they left it in. Now in second coil, that type of enrage doesn't exist.

You know what would make hunts better for me? Loading the mob before loading the people. I've never seen more than two seals from an A, and I have to be the one to discover it, and I have no idea what any S ranks look like. The shouts are useless to me even if all I have to do is turn around.

That is the fix hunts need.

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Originally Posted by Violyre

You know what would make hunts better for me? Loading the mob before loading the people. I've never seen more than two seals from an A, and I have to be the one to discover it, and I have no idea what any S ranks look like. The shouts are useless to me even if all I have to do is turn around.

That is the fix hunts need.

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They've "fixed" this I believe. Of course, "fix" means making it "highest priority" which actually means "highest priority as long as you're in the same map square." So currently if you stand right under its ugly self you should see it. They may one day improve this, but it was said that it would be more difficult to implement.

They also need to give party members the same priority. Do you know how un-fun "Find The Corpse" is during Agrippa? Especially when they get impatient and tell me to Raise them. Why do you think I'm not casting Medica anymore?

Squeeniiiiiiiiix! *shakes fist angrily*

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Originally Posted by Bladeglory

They've "fixed" this I believe. Of course, "fix" means making it "highest priority" which actually means "highest priority as long as you're in the same map square." So currently if you stand right under its ugly self you should see it. They may one day improve this, but it was said that it would be more difficult to implement.

They also need to give party members the same priority. Do you know how un-fun "Find The Corpse" is during Agrippa? Especially when they get impatient and tell me to Raise them. Why do you think I'm not casting Medica anymore?

Squeeniiiiiiiiix! *shakes fist angrily*

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No, they fixed it for S ranks. They aren't going to change it for A ranks. People just need to stop zerging.

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Originally Posted by ispano

No, they fixed it for S ranks. They aren't going to change it for A ranks. People just need to stop zerging.

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I still can't see S ranks. God I need to get a new comp so bad. :(

SE just need to take the same steps with A rank marks as they did with B.

I would suggest taking out the fate monsters from the daily bill and replacing with B, upping the normal reward for the trash mobs to 5 from 4 seals and having the weekly as an A rank where you can get half credit for partying with someone who has the bill. A ranks would be given the same 5 minute spawn timer as B has.

The effect of this would be to let players get 35 daily seals (245 per week) plus 50 (add 50 soldiery to this reward too) for the A rank plus an indeterminate number for helping. Overall players could get a full myth set a week or a sand in 3 by just doing Dailies.

S ranks could be left as they are as generally people are sensible with these.

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Originally Posted by ispano

People just need to stop zerging.

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Not going to happen until SE eases the demand on Hunts or Allied Seals.

2.4 could help, but I doubt it; new Tomestones will make Sands of Time fairly irrelephant, unless they go for the exact same upgrade system, but those will be capped weekly. Meanwhile, Sol will be uncapped so demand for Sands should increase... I imagine it will be a net gain in demand, unless crafters get to make some i110.

Demand for Allied Seals is just too high, unless SE puts in an alternative to Hunts, too many people are going to want to do them and it'll remain a zergfest. If they treat this like T2 and go "Well people have organized, so we'll leave it like this", I'll punch an emu in the neck. There is only so much stupidity from the developers I can take...

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Originally Posted by Nalien

Not going to happen until SE eases the demand on Hunts or Allied Seals.

2.4 could help, but I doubt it; new Tomestones will make Sands of Time fairly irrelephant, unless they go for the exact same upgrade system, but those will be capped weekly. Meanwhile, Sol will be uncapped so demand for Sands should increase... I imagine it will be a net gain in demand, unless crafters get to make some i110.

Demand for Allied Seals is just too high, unless SE puts in an alternative to Hunts, too many people are going to want to do them and it'll remain a zergfest. If they treat this like T2 and go "Well people have organized, so we'll leave it like this", I'll punch an emu in the neck. There is only so much stupidity from the developers I can take...

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What I think is this. If they truly feel that the rate at which people are getting sands and such from hunts, but left it alone, it will be fine. They will just change it entirely for 2.4. I mean you'll also have unlimited ST at 2.4 to get Sand/Oil as well, plus anyone who does Second Coil already will be able to do that as much as they want as well. So, like they did with T2. Leave it as is. When the next iteration comes out, don't make the same mistake. Which is what they did, Second Coil doesn't have a cheeseable soft enrage on any fight.