Mastering Crafting/Gathering Classes First VS Mastering a DOW Class First - DEBATE

Hello~

So I have a friend who I invited to play about 3 weeks ago to play and today we had a simple debate on the title.

I started playing from 2.0 and I knew a lot of players who didn't even play DoW classes and simply maxed out all crafts and gathering classes back then. Which I thought was pretty smart. Not exactly my style though, but I assumed they would make more gil in average compared to DoW classes.

Then my friend goes onto saying that people who would master crafting/gathering classes first are 'noobs' and 'not pro'.

Going onto saying how all 'pros' would get to lvl 50 on a DoW first and how all 'pros' would agree to that.

Personally I think it doesn't matter how you start playing the game, since it's your option. But for someone even as a friend to call others noob/not pro just cause they play differently is ignorant. I feel both paths have their benefits

[FC]<n/a> proly no one will agree with u
[FC]<n/a> becos i kno im rite
[FC]<n/a> u r the only one that thibks that
[FC]<n/a> out of the 50+ friends
[FC]<n/a> on my

Well going by that, I felt the need to make this post.

Do you think it's noob/not pro to start playing the game as a crafter/gatherer only? Is it a pros way to start and max a DoW class first?

Share your opinions.

Probably wouldn't have to say it that way, but having a level 50 DOW/M unlocks all the content you need. Also, you can stay alive easier at high level gathering areas, or gather materials yourself. It's not impossible to do a crafter first, it's just very, very painful.

Personally I think this is an insult to everyone I knew back in 2.0 who had maxed out crafts (and not a single DoW over lvl10).

If you learn them all at the same time you will probably never need to buy anything off the MB, bar the odd bit of Materia, prism's etc

there is definitly nothing "pro" or "noob" about what class you master first.

Want to run dungeons and raids: DOW or DOM

Want to make endless Money or simply craft/gather until you drop dead: DoH/DoL

It is solely a mather of interest

Thank you. Good sir, well put, well said.

I always found it odd when someone didn't at least get one DoW/M to 50 first (it opens so many doors!) before going hard on crafting, but to each his own.

In fact your friend is showing their ignorance, what Pro focuses on only one part of his Profession, does a footballer only concentrates on heading the ball, does an Ice hockey player only focus on attacking, the list is endless.

Well it all started when a guy who played for 3 weeks started preaching me. WP.

Did you go to this thread being neutral about both view points, or are you defending DoH/L first? There is always an end point, however you wish to tread in order to get there is your choice. There could be a reason why people do it in a particular order,which they deem efficient. But as long as you get there, hey, it's your time your money, no one would dictate otherwise!

I don't know what this "noob/not pro" argument even is. It's a game. It's a hobby. No one is "pro", they just do things their own way and assume that their way is the right way just because it worked for them. IMO you can take any route you want. Personally, I leveled one DOM class so that I could experience high level content and then decided to focus on DOH/L classes for a while for the potential income. Some people choose crafting over endgame, some rather not craft at all. It's really more about what's fun for you rather than what somebody else deems as "pro". If you allow someone else to pressure you into skipping content that you actually enjoy because it's not important to them, then you're only gonna wear yourself out on this game. Do what makes you happy.

IMO it's best to do them all at the same time. Having your DoW/M leveled up at the same rate will allow you to farm materials that you need. If your focus is crafting, think of leveling your DoW/M as part of that focus. Personally, I did PLD first before leveling all the DoH/DoL at the same time.

If gil actually did something, it might be a good idea.
But the only things worth spending gil on is Vanity and Melded i90 gear/Novus. Most of which is for DoW/M.
If you're DoL/H only all you're doing is spending gil on materials to make more gil, its a never ending cycle of spending money to make more money that you're not going to need.

There is housing and furniture to spend money on. Specially with private housing coming out soon.

This game has a lot more to offer than crafting and you are missing out on a lot of content if you don't level a fighting class. So yes, your friend is right.

Just level whatever you are having most fun with. I've known people who crafted first and are now clearing SCoB and savage weekly. So being ignorant and saying crafters are noobs or not pros is bogus.
Personally I went BLM/WHM>Botanist/Miner>Crafting.

And if your 'friend' is telling you how to play the game after only playing this game 3 weeks himself, I would just take what he's saying with a grain of salt. Or just smile and nod and walk away before his DB-ness rubs off on you.

To each their own. While your friend seems like a snarky prick, I get what he's saying.

If you spent your first couple months leveling only crafting classes, you'd fall way behind in endgame. The point of endgame is to hit level cap as quickly as possible, so you can start working on reaching your weekly point caps sooner, and working on boss kills. That's how the top raiding FCs do it anyway.

Fact is, Gil does nothing in this game but pay for raid food, teleports, and materia for your Novus. After that, Gil is just a useless number on the side of your screen. You can spend it on useless fluff-items, but those have no positive effect on your character.

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Originally Posted by xXRaineXx

[FC]<n/a> proly no one will agree with u
[FC]<n/a> becos i kno im rite
[FC]<n/a> u r the only one that thibks that
[FC]<n/a> out of the 50+ friends
[FC]<n/a> on my


Share your opinions.

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Make new friends.

While I feel that it's good to level one DoW/DoM to 50 to unlock most stuff, it shouldn't really matter what you level first.
But imo it's good to have a DoW/DoM at lvl 20 due to Chocobos and Retainers which helps a lot when leveling DoL/DoH as the time spent leveling a DoW/DoM to 20 evens out with the shortened traveling time of a chocobo, at least I would go mad if I had to do leves without a chocobo.

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Originally Posted by saeedaisspecial

If gil actually did something, it might be a good idea.
But the only things worth spending gil on is Vanity and Melded i90 gear/Novus. Most of which is for DoW/M.
If you're DoL/H only all you're doing is spending gil on materials to make more gil, its a never ending cycle of spending money to make more money that you're not going to need.

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Except, if you're gathering while crafting, you don't spend a single gil on materials. Ever. Unless you're too lazy to gather them yourself.

I can see where he is coming from though.

Starting out as a crafter, you need start up Gil. And well, in MMORPGs in general, leveling crafting does not make you money. It usually cost an arm and a leg to get it to a level where it's truly profitable.

And getting a fighting class to 50 and having done your quests, you should have over 200k Gil. That will help a lot. You will also have cheap access to tome materials.

I would guess the issue of the Noob Vs Pro is more, Individual way Vs Fast/Optimal way.

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Except, if you're gathering while crafting, you don't spend a single gil on materials. Ever. Unless you're too lazy to gather them yourself.

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Not all items can be gathered by those classes.

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Originally Posted by Amberion

I can see where he is coming from though.

Starting out as a crafter, you need start up Gil. And well, in MMORPGs in general, leveling crafting does not make you money. It usually cost an arm and a leg to get it to a level where it's truly profitable.

And getting a fighting class to 50 and having done your quests, you should have over 200k Gil. That will help a lot. You will also have cheap access to tome materials.

I would guess the issue of the Noob Vs Pro is more, Individual way Vs Fast/Optimal way.



Not all items can be gathered by those classes.

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In other games, usually, yeah. But I made millions of gil before I even reached 50 in my crafts, simply through crafting. I didn't even touch gathering classes until all of my crafts were 50.

For the topic... pro at what? I make it my goal to reach high end crafting in any game I play. My entire character was made with this goal in mind. Based in Ul'dah, seeking fortune, guardian deity Nald'thal. It is my primary goal to make gil, and I've made a lot of it by keeping it my focus.

Raiding comes second to this for me. Sure, I progress my DoM when I can. But it comes second to my other goals.

Well, leveling a combat class is necessary to complete the vast majority of quests in the game -- including main story quests, which unlock core features like retainers, grand companies, your chocobo, etc. FATEs are purely combat-oriented. Every map outside of a town is littered with enemies that you simply cannot deal with directly as a gatherer/crafter. So in that respect, there is simply no contest -- DoW/DoM is needed for most content in this game (and is rewarded far more), whereas you can't argue the same thing for DoL/DoH.

If you're talking strictly about mastering only, I don't know. I'm not at max level yet. Does anything important unlock at 50 besides more dungeons, raids, and PvP modes? Seems like it is just more combat, so if that is not your thing and you'd rather craft, then putting energy into mastering a combat class first is a waste of your time.

This is a video game; you should enjoy it as you like, and not according to what some scrub "friend" considers "pro." And yes, him calling anyone who thinks otherwise "noobs" is insulting. Honestly, he sounds very immature and annoying to talk to. I don't see why it's worth even engaging in a "debate" with this person.

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Originally Posted by JustPlainLucas

Except, if you're gathering while crafting, you don't spend a single gil on materials. Ever. Unless you're too lazy to gather them yourself.

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Except if you do leatherworker ^^
Then you would need a DoM/DoW as gatherer class.

What does he mean by "mastering" a class? Simply getting yourself to 50 is only the beginning in both cases.

Crafting classes are easier to level when you've unlocked all of the levequests, which takes a DoW/DoM class.

Personally, I got one DoW class (Paladin) to 50 and worked on gearing it; meanwhile I've leveled up and geared every DoH/DoL class while working on a few more DoW/DoM. I've been very focused on crafting/gathering; I have five three-star crafting classes and am working on the last two. Two of my three DoL classes have the Forager tools and I'm working slowly on the last one. Does this make me a noob? Does it make me something else? Honestly, I don't care either way; I think your friend is taking an incredibly narrow-minded view of the game.

Part of what's great about FFXIV is the wide variety of content that it offers. Do you enjoy crafting? Then craft. Do you enjoy kicking the crap out of mobs? Then go be DoW/DoM. When I don't feel like raiding or leveling, the crafting and gathering content is always there to keep me busy. At the end of the day, it's a game. You get out of it what you put into it, so do what you enjoy doing and don't let anyone tell you any differently.

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Originally Posted by xXRaineXx

[FC]<n/a> proly no one will agree with u
[FC]<n/a> becos i kno im rite
[FC]<n/a> u r the only one that thibks that
[FC]<n/a> out of the 50+ friends
[FC]<n/a> on my

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I think your friends a child. If that is how they type......

Three weeks and already thinks he can say "whats pro/noob"? Even using those terms makes me envision them as a little brat.