Future Dungeon drop suggestion: trash mobs with rare gear drops

Seriously, add gear drops to the mobs and see what people do.
Make it like a .01% chance to drop the gear and see how people react to it :D

I really like this idea, because it would make people who run the darkhold 100 times actually get something out of it... rather than feeling cheated out of a 5th chest.

I like being rewarded for accomplishing difficult/important obstacles. Not for running a dungeon for the 400th time.

Super rare trash mob drops are the very worst kind of gear grinds I have experienced in endgames (also terrible are faction grind linked rewards).

No thanks.

So... Dynamis?

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Originally Posted by DoctorMog

So... Dynamis?

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dynamis is a good example of a reason to not skip mobs in a dungeon and go straight for bosses(though bosses did give higher drop rates of some of those said items)

the basic idea is to give people a reason to want to do more then just skip the dungeon to fight the boss

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

dynamis is a good example of a reason to not skip mobs in a dungeon and go straight for bosses(though bosses did give higher drop rates of some of those said items)

the basic idea is to give people a reason to want to do more then just skip the dungeon to fight the boss

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There are better ways to do that through introducing a tedious grind for rare loot or absurd amounts of dropped currency.

I've done both.

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Originally Posted by Murugan

There are better ways to do that through introducing a tedious grind for rare loot or absurd amounts of dropped currency.

I've done both.

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people asked for a solution to make people wanna kill mobs in the dungeons instead of skipping everything
i gave one, its a good one


if you have no reason to kill them, no one will, so why dont you give an idea too instead of just shooting it down

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Originally Posted by Roaran

I like being rewarded for accomplishing difficult/important obstacles. Not for running a dungeon for the 400th time.

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^this, players should be rewarded for skill and teamwork.

i'd not mind a dynamis/salvage type event, but remember this, Se needs to increase the space of the retainer's and mainly inventory, or add residential area.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

people asked for a solution to make people wanna kill mobs in the dungeons instead of skipping everything
i gave one, its a good one


if you have no reason to kill them, no one will, so why dont you give an idea too instead of just shooting it down

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I didn't ask for a solution however there are far better examples of train proof mobs than adding such a terrible loot mechanic. Some ideas:

making certain mobs resistant to sleep would do quite a bit, as would not have teleporters that despawned all the mobs, mobs that have high enough damage ranged attacks, and placing more mini bosses or switches or other things which would take time in one place making training a less attractive option.

Really just about anything would be better than a dynamis like currency system or .001% super rare drop table.

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Originally Posted by Etienn

i'd not mind a dynamis/salvage type event, but remember this, Se needs to increase the space of the retainer's and mainly inventory, or add residential area.

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why? we already have more inventory then we did in 11....

its amazing how you get double what we had then, and its not enough lol

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

why? we already have more inventory then we did in 11....

its amazing how you get double what we had then, and its not enough lol

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Well even with extra retainer's I and some people are already almost maxed.. for some reason I would not expect it in a game like this, since it should be better than xi as you just said. You also did not get items in abundance like this in final fantasy xi ^_^.

I mine and craft, but have less space for gear, this is my only problem I am having right now.

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Originally Posted by Etienn

Well even with extra retainer's I and some people are already almost maxed.. for some reason I would not expect it in a game like this, since it should be better than xi as you just said. You also did not get items in abundance like this in final fantasy xi ^_^.

I mine and craft, but have less space for gear, this is my only problem I am having right now.

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your probly a pack rat like i am then, which is a problem alot of people have
they dont know what to get rid of, or dont want to get rid of everything so they hold onto it all and ask for more space instead like they are doing nothing wrong

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

people asked for a solution to make people wanna kill mobs in the dungeons instead of skipping everything
i gave one, its a good one


if you have no reason to kill them, no one will, so why dont you give an idea too instead of just shooting it down

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Wouldn't an easier solution just make it so you can't skip them? /confused

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Originally Posted by Seikninkuru

Wouldn't an easier solution just make it so you can't skip them? /confused

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go look at the other thread where i suggested that, and youll see why i posted this one
i thought that was a good idea too, but too many people wanna whine

In the end it comes down to 1 fact

people dont want dungeons, they want bosses that drop loot

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

go look at the other thread where i suggested that, and youll see why i posted this one
i thought that was a good idea too, but too many people wanna whine

In the end it comes down to 1 fact

people dont want dungeons, they want bosses that drop loot

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No, its just the loot. The fact that you have to do a speed run in 25 mins for a certain loot has nothing to do with the boss. He's just an obstacle

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Originally Posted by Lumidus

No, its just the loot. The fact that you have to do a speed run in 25 mins for a certain loot has nothing to do with the boss. He's just an obstacle

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um, you have to kill the boss....how is that having nothing to do with the boss

You said people want bosses with loot. I'm saying its just the loot

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Originally Posted by Lumidus

You said people want bosses with loot. I'm saying its just the loot

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oh trust me, its the loot, people will claim other things, but if there wasnt a drop from that boss they wouldnt be doing any of it

why dont you just run it and kill everything with your own group if it bothers you so much?

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Originally Posted by akumutensai

why dont you just run it and kill everything with your own group if it bothers you so much?

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thats not the point of this thread

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

thats not the point of this thread

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but isnt that the problem youre trying to address?

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Originally Posted by akumutensai

but isnt that the problem youre trying to address?

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originaly yes, but people straight asked me for a POSITIVE solution to the matter
and this was it, one that rewards people for killing the mobs

getting gear from them is rewarding isnt it?

yea i could see it working i think id go a little higher than .01 though lol. as long as people have options like i said in youre other thread it would work. lol as long as were not forced to kill or train everything that is

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Originally Posted by akumutensai

yea i could see it working i think id go a little higher than .01 though lol. as long as people have options like i said in youre other thread it would work. lol as long as were not forced to kill or train everything that is

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lol i put .01% on purpose, but yeah thats a pretty bad drop rate(for those who dont know, thats 1 in 10000 drops)
but id say getting a drop every 100 kills(so lets call it 1%) off trash is a fair tradeoff.

this is of course, with keeping chests with drops(make them different drops of course) and bosses(with their own unique drops) to give a variety of different ways to get various gear within a dungeon

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

lol i put .01% on purpose, but yeah thats a pretty bad drop rate(for those who dont know, thats 1 in 10000 drops)
but id say getting a drop every 100 kills(so lets call it 1%) off trash is a fair tradeoff.

this is of course, with keeping chests with drops(make them different drops of course) and bosses(with their own unique drops) to give a variety of different ways to get various gear within a dungeon

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now that i will Like all day

How about a median solution. No gear drops but rare crafting material drops? Still at a low rate. I can't really think of anything comparable in XI other than the Dynamis crafting mat drops that every single LS sold anyhow. Not a new idea but at least it's rewarding in some way.

I agree with the disagreement on the gear drops. I absolutely hated that about Dynamis and in other MMOs with random world drops.