Please cut back on increasing item level

It's more and more painful to level sync the higher my item level is getting because I'm getting used to the benefits of having high end gear. The time difference between how long it takes to do end game dungeons versus older ones keeps getting more dramatic with each patch. I'm spending more time doing things that give me hardly any benefit compared to things that provide much more benefit. 10-15 min differences between high and low dungeons is getting pretty extreme.

Pacing needs to be more uniform. Please consider options from GW2 and FFXI to create more space between item level jumps in order to preserve the pacing of your game. Either that or cut down the item level jumps. Either way these World of Warcraft style item jumps are incompatible with level sync in the long run.

GW2 was awful with level sync. Even applied, you wrecked everything around you.

In all honesty, one should never rely on their gear, and really....is 10-15 minutes going to kill you?

That said, I do hear ya on the item level increases. Just gets more annoying when people want a high ilvl versus people who know the content inside and out, or when people facetank attacks cuz gear.

You don't get it do you? The new dungeons are tuned for i80 players (see recommended level) whereas most players are i100+ due to hunts. The old dungeons take longer because they were run in level appropriate gear. Even AK/WP can be cleared quite quickly with skilled players in darklight gear. What they need to do is to buff the new dungeons massively to bring them in line with the current ilvls of players and not nerf ilvl of players.

I do not wish to see GW2 style item progression in the game. Basically once you reach end game, you will have to grind 10x worst than atma for legendary gear which provides a minimal increase in stats. It is a sorry excuse for not being able to release content fast enough. FFXIV releases new content every 3 months so as long as they keep up this pace, there will always be progression. This game does not need to halt progression just because some players cannot catch up fast enough.

Also, could you be more consistent with your ideas? One day you advocate multiple tier raiding with differentiated item levels and the next moment you champion horizontal progression and you make a new post about it every day. To be honest, its getting pretty tiresome to read and it would serve you better if you could consolidate all your ideas into one post.

I think the ilvl increases hurt the most for players who like to have multiple jobs. To be at your best you have to stick with just one job which gets repetitive. When new jobs are introduced, who's going to have the time to keep them up to speed? We would need to abandon our current jobs.

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Originally Posted by Zaero

GW2 was awful with level sync. Even applied, you wrecked everything around you.

In all honesty, one should never rely on their gear, and really....is 10-15 minutes going to kill you?

That said, I do hear ya on the item level increases. Just gets more annoying when people want a high ilvl versus people who know the content inside and out, or when people facetank attacks cuz gear.

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I agree, but the problem is that the time difference between old and new dungeons is only going to get worse every time they increase the item level. That is a problem, both because the design of the dungeons themselves do not promote player interest in them and their are near zero benefits to doing them outside of a roullete or book burning.

Duty finder is a no commitment kind of tool, in that players have no vested interest in promoting friendship among those participating. No one is doing it for each other except for their own interests. The item level boost + level sync is fueling a conflict of interest between player groups. That needs to be minimized as much as possible.

I'd much rather have a traditional MMORPG community where my time spent in lower end dungeons is helping to cultivate friendships in the long haul, but the game is designed to cut all of that important stuff out of it.

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Originally Posted by Zaero

In all honesty, one should never rely on their gear, and really....is 10-15 minutes going to kill you?

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10~15 extra minutes is pretty rough.

I played gw2 for 1 month and quit after getting my mesmer to lvl 80 because there was a serious lack of content in that game. For those that did not play gw2, once you hit level cap you literally had nothing to do unless you were interested in WvW or pvp. The only thing that enticed player to continue playing the game was to grind for your legendary weapon.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Legendary_weapon

Imagine after getting your soldiery weapon you have to grind 100 atmas, do 20 animus books and meld 50 materia just to get a reskin or a glow with the exact same stats as your weapon. Sounds fun? No.

GW2 did not have horizontal progression. They have no progression. They have no hard mode raids and their pve end game was a joke. their hardest content was probably world bosses and fractals. I can't even believe you want this p2p to adopt a system used by a f2p game. Yoshi has clearly stated they created this game using inspiration from wow. There's really nothing to debate here.

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Originally Posted by Tauu

I think the ilvl increases hurt the most for players who like to have multiple jobs. To be at your best you have to stick with just one job which gets repetitive. When new jobs are introduced, who's going to have the time to keep them up to speed? We would need to abandon our current jobs.

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This hits the nail on the head for me.

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Originally Posted by skaterger

You don't get it do you? The new dungeons are tuned for i80 players (see recommended level) whereas most players are i100+ due to hunts. The old dungeons take longer because they were run in level appropriate gear. Even AK/WP can be cleared quite quickly with skilled players in darklight gear. What they need to do is to buff the new dungeons massively to bring them in line with the current ilvls of players and not nerf ilvl of players.

I do not wish to see GW2 style item progression in the game. Basically once you reach end game, you will have to grind 10x worst than atma for legendary gear which provides a minimal increase in stats. It is a sorry excuse for not being able to release content fast enough. FFXIV releases new content every 3 months so as long as they keep up this pace, there will always be progression. This game does not need to halt progression just because some players cannot catch up fast enough.

Also, could you be more consistent with your ideas? One day you advocate multiple tier raiding with differentiated item levels and the next moment you champion horizontal progression and you make a new post about it every day. To be honest, its getting pretty tiresome to read and it would serve you better if you could consolidate all your ideas into one post.

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If they go that way then the open world will turn into World of Warcraft post Burning Crusade expansion. It's fine if they want more of a hack and slash mix into their MMORPG combat, but I don't think that's what they want.

Also, I'm sorry if my posting habits annoy you. It's not out of any maliciousness or duplicity, I can assure you of that. Perhaps I should get away from these forums for a while.

It's so funny that we still can dominate every early Lv.50 dungeons such as Castrum and Wanderer Palace for the examples.

imagine when we have i200 gears and these dungeons still have no sync in some form. we're gonna destroy everything in 5 minutes.

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Originally Posted by skaterger

I do not wish to see GW2 style item progression in the game. Basically once you reach end game, you will have to grind 10x worst than atma for legendary gear which provides a minimal increase in stats.

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Grind for Ascended gear? Ten times worse than Atmas? You're out of your mind. There's hardly any real grind for Ascended gear in GW2. Unless you count doing dungeon clears, World Bosses, PvP, and Jumping Puzzles a grind. That sounds like normal day-to-day content people do in 90% of MMO's to have fun. Atma farming? That's a grind. Not playing the game.

There's hardly any 'real' gear progression in GW2. Exotic ( normal end-game gear ) to Ascended ( time-gated BiS gear ) is about it unless you're counting gear progression while leveling up. I'm hardly a GW2 fan, as I'm a butt-hurt GW1 fanboy of seven years. But if you're going to bash a game, at least know what you're talking about and not seem like you skimmed over Wiki for a few minutes.

On topic; I hate vertical progression. I hope that not too many more gear-sets are introduced, and instead they focus more on glamours.

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Originally Posted by Tauu

I think the ilvl increases hurt the most for players who like to have multiple jobs. To be at your best you have to stick with just one job which gets repetitive. When new jobs are introduced, who's going to have the time to keep them up to speed? We would need to abandon our current jobs.

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You need only 1 day to equip a fresh level 50 job with full ilevel 90 gear. With 2.4 I'm sure it would be no problem to get full ilevel 110 gear in just 1 week.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

imagine when we have i200 gears and these dungeons still have no sync in some form. we're gonna destroy everything in 5 minutes.

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Except if ilevel 200 gear would be level 55 gear. Then they would be level-synched in lv50 dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Copestetic

Grind for Ascended gear? Ten times worse than Atmas? You're out of your mind. There's hardly any real grind for Ascended gear in GW2. Unless you count doing dungeon clears, World Bosses, PvP, and Jumping Puzzles a grind. That sounds like normal day-to-day content people do in 90% of MMO's to have fun. Atma farming? That's a grind. Not playing the game.

There's hardly any 'real' gear progression in GW2. Exotic ( normal end-game gear ) to Ascended ( time-gated BiS gear ) is about it unless you're counting gear progression while leveling up. I'm hardly a GW2 fan, as I'm a butt-hurt GW1 fanboy of seven years. But if you're going to bash a game, at least know what you're talking about and not seem like you skimmed over Wiki for a few minutes.

On topic; I hate vertical progression. I hope that not too many more gear-sets are introduced, and instead they focus more on glamours.

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Sorry, if you read my post instead of jumping the gun to attack me, I mentioned the grind to legendary not ascended. It took months of grinding dungeons for the average player to have enough gold to afford the weapon. And the worst part of it all? After you finally spend all the time and gold for it, you get a reskinned weapon with a glow which they handily called it a legendary. Yeah sounds like a certain atma-->animus weapon isn't it?

This and the ridiculousness of glamour sets in gw1 was even worse than in gw2. All the suffixes and stuff were for show and I remember the gear at max level was the same as that at level 1. The only reason I played gw1 and the expansions was cause I had a friend playing with me. The effort/reward ratio in both of those games were terrible.

If anything they should do the FFXI COP route from time to time.

Making hard content that syncs you down to 10-20-30-40 and 50 not old dungeons but new content with a full alliance.

COP was fun like that.

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Originally Posted by skaterger

Sorry, if you read my post instead of jumping the gun to attack me, I mentioned the grind to legendary not ascended, and the ridiculousness of glamour sets in gw1 was even worse than in gw2. All the suffixes and stuff were for show and I remember the gear at max level was the same as that at level 1. The only reason I played gw1 and the expansions was cause I had a friend playing with me. The effort/reward ratio in both of those games were terrible.

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Legendary/Ascended share the same stats in GW2. While you have to clear more content for a Legendary Weapon, you can craft, or farm World Bosses for its Ascended equivalent. If you're specifically talking about the mats for some of the Gifts; why would you ever grind for them? Clear content, and buy what you need. The rest comes naturally ( map completion, dungeon specific Gifts, skill points etc ).

Gear in GW1 was not "the same as that at level 1." Suffixes and Prefixes, yes, but not the inherent armor rating, as it was different for each class and, increased naturally as you leveled-up acquiring better gear until you hit level cap. I'm not following on "the ridiculousness of glamour sets in gw1" thing either. There was no glamour system. There was a ton of different armors that were dyeable and were easily mix-and-matchable. And costumes, of course, but nothing as dumb as what GW2 and FFXIV:ARR has implemented ( few good-looking armor sets, and a handful of glamour options ).

As far as effort/reward; I enjoyed it. It's what kept me playing for those seven years. Dungeons/Missions were fun, end-game content was challenging enough, and PvP was extremely competitive ( for the first five years or so at least until PvE Title-seekers came in ). All with their own unique rewards. But, opinions.

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Originally Posted by Tauu

I think the ilvl increases hurt the most for players who like to have multiple jobs. To be at your best you have to stick with just one job which gets repetitive. When new jobs are introduced, who's going to have the time to keep them up to speed? We would need to abandon our current jobs.

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Thats exactly why Syrcus Tower item restriction will be lifted. So that all your 8 classes can get some love, and get at least iLvl100 on the left side, then with the Oil of sand, UAT and soon? Sands of time, no doubt people will be at iLvl105 minimum.

OP - it's called adaptation. if you can't do it they way you are now, or it takes so long you want not to do it - well, it's been ages that I haven't helped any low-level ones, even if the bonus for completion are good.

No time left once you have done the minimum that you want to do, and then a few specific dungeons, which are iLvl80+

Good luck to you.

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Originally Posted by Zaero

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It's not the 10-15 minute longer run that's the issue; it's the longer run every day. The game's already too grindy as it is. Runs shouldn't be taking longer. They should instead become quicker. Also, someone suggested buffing the new dungeons? No. That would it make it unfair for more recent players not at that level yet.

Personally, it's time to say good bye to item level increases. I never did like item levels to begin with. It was a cheap way to make you more powerful versus increasing the level cap and making harder content designed around your current level.