I think it would be helpful if the higher grade dark matter could be used to repair lower level equipment. For example a grade 5 dark matter could be used to repair gear from level 1 to 50, and a grade 3 dark matter could be used to repair gear level 1 to 30.
This would be very nice for any high level gatherer who would prefer to only take up one inventory space instead of as many as 5, or anyone who happened to run out of a lower grade dark matter out in the field but just so happens to have some higher grade dark matter with them.
Idea for Dark Matter
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07-31-2011, 04:28 PMSteggunIdea for Dark Matter
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07-31-2011, 04:39 PMSteggunExactly ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Gennosuke
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07-31-2011, 04:40 PMKillerbomb
At this rate, then perhaps it would be best to remove all grades
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07-31-2011, 04:42 PMSteggunI disagree, I think the lower grade dark matter still has a use. I would just like the option of using a grade 5 dark matter on a lvl 20 item if I so choose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killerbomb
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07-31-2011, 04:51 PMEngineerI'm going to have to agree with Killerbomb. the only diffrence from your idea and what killerbomb said is that your idea would have useless lowgrade dark matter, everyone would just use the high level dark matter. I think its perfect the way it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steggun
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07-31-2011, 04:55 PMJynx
I'll echo the sentiment that it would be pointless to have any grades of dark-matter if the highest tier could fix everything anyways.
It's not like it's harder or much more expensive to aquire anyways.
Only reason to keep lower grade stuff is if there was a skill-cap put on what grade of dark-matter you could use. Rank1-10 can only use grade 1 to fix stuff, Grade 11-20 can use Grade 2, ext. But overall I think it would be needlessly complecated that way.
It's perfectly find the way it is, if you really can't spare those 5 item slots I don't know what to yell you. -
07-31-2011, 05:11 PMlackofwordsYou might say that 4.5k (grade 5) is a drop in a bucket in terms of the gil we have. However, overtime the cost piles up. Think of it as as a maintenance fee. I currently have 12 equipment items on usually for each of my classes, which needs repairing almost every other day. Would you rather pay 51000gil (4500 x 12) every other day, or 18000 (1500 x 12)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jynx
For those people that are r50, the income they are getting in is enough to support the cost of repairs, but for someone that is r20 or even worst case scenario starting out new in the game, paying 51k to repair all their crap is detrimental.
@OP
I don't mind if the Dark Matter of higher ranks support lower ranks as well. If the people want to waste their gil and be less efficient with their gil, then let them do so. However, from other people's reply making only 1 Dark Matter with only 1 set price would screw all the lower players over, and only serves to cut prices for higher ranked players. -
07-31-2011, 05:13 PMJynxThats why the repair NPC charges like...10k.Quote:
Originally Posted by lackofwords
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07-31-2011, 05:17 PMKillerbomb
do not misunderstand my statement, why not remove the whole concept of repair?
none of the friends who I know wants it (or need it). -
07-31-2011, 05:25 PMSteggunWith how cheap a lot of people tend to be regarding repairs, the lower grade dark matter would still be heavily used.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jynx
My idea mainly comes from a high level gatherer's perspective, and the fact that grade 5 dark matter can only be gathered from grade 5 nodes. I certainly am not going to go mine grade 1-4 nodes just to get dark matter, nor would I buy grade 5 dark matter to use for a low level repair since I would be able to buy the lower level dark matter from the same npc. -
07-31-2011, 05:31 PMMystinaValeth
I disagree; I don’t think higher grade dark matter should be able to repair lower grade equipment. As a weaver, before update 1.18, I couldn’t repair a cotton shirt with canvas or velveteen fent…
Also, I wouldn’t complain about having 5 of your inventory space taken up with repair materials. Many crafters had to carry around several different grades of fents, spetches, and other repair materials just so they can repair all their gear. I for one love only having to have 5 of my inventory spaces taken up with dark matter instead of 10-20 spaces taken up with repair materials. -
07-31-2011, 07:20 PMAkira_Tenshi
It would make sense to be able to use a higher grade dark matter to repair a lower rank item but would you really want to waste it when you could use a cheaper dark matter to do the job?
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07-31-2011, 07:40 PMMystinaValeth
Personally I’d rather save the gil and just use lower grade dark matter than higher, that gil spent on grade 5 could really add up fast otherwise…
Metaphor time! The way I see it, if you have AA battery (grade 2 dark matter) you can’t power a motor (equipment that’s requires grade 5 for repairs) that requires a lot more juice, such as a car battery (obviously)… but if you try to use a car battery to power a remote control car, you’ll end up giving it too much power and burn out the little motor…
lol maybe grade 5 dark matter just has too much ‘juice’ to fix a cotton gear, and will just end up damaging it more in the end and there for you can’t use it to repair lower grade equipment… Not that it matters either way to me though, cause I’m just glad I only have to have 5 inventory slots taken up with repair materials instead of around 18+ inventory slots… >< -
07-31-2011, 09:56 PMGennosukeThat's kinda true. I guess people working ways around repair system to make it easier and easier 'cause most can't be bothered repairing, me included. It feels like, may as well remove it all together.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killerbomb
I used to be against SP loss system, but after my bad experience with repairs, i would actually rather have SP loss instead now, i feel that would be both more convenient and it deter me more from dying, but.. that's kinda for another topic. -
07-31-2011, 10:36 PMRenshi
Heya!
That's a good suggestion, and I support it!
Though... if I can add something other...
We always have used other materials to repair stuff, and now this Dark Matter comes out of nowhere. Can we at least have some NPC who tells us the lore around the Dark Matter? Like this is "We haz it lolz" when it could be "Once upon a time, [...]"
Give a meaning to Dark Matter in order to make it have sense!
See ya! -
08-02-2011, 01:12 AMSteggun
I'm glad that some people agree with this idea. I was starting to wonder if a lot of the people on this forum just disagree for the sake of disagreeing.
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08-02-2011, 01:39 AMDNOWell this is wrong. why would i use the more expensive matter when i do not have to? if im low lvl ill use the cheaper one if im am high level i will use the one i have to use. However if i only have level 5 and im not near a store it would be cool to use the matter i have already on me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Engineer
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08-02-2011, 03:08 AMRoaran
Too lazy to see if this was suggested yet, but you could simply just have a single grade of dark matter, and just increase the amount ncessary for higher rank repairs.
Example: Rank 1 item = 1 Dark Matter; R10 = 2 Dark Matter etc. -
08-02-2011, 07:49 AMEngineerOne of these would happen..Quote:
Originally Posted by DNO
Option 1.
The economy would shift, then, the level 5 would be cheap.
Option 2.
Also at higher levels, everyone would just carry the level 5 dark matters because their equipment is lvl 50. Carrying low level matter at this point is good only for repairing other players low level gear. If everyone is carrying "just" high level matters, players would not repair other players gear because its too expensive. -
08-03-2011, 01:23 PMSteggunWhat? lol....Quote:
Originally Posted by Engineer
How is this any different than the current system??Quote:
Originally Posted by Engineer
The players looking for repairs could just as easily carry the dark matter for those repairs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Engineer
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08-03-2011, 01:31 PMDNOor option 3.:Quote:
Originally Posted by Engineer
Nothing would change at all????
Yes im going with 3