Frontline Ranking is out

Everyone need to check the Frontline Ranking, it is out on the Lordstone now.

I think I did ok as Twin Adders since the list is mostly filled by Malestorm (@.@)

How is everyone's record?

http://jp.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...name=Leviathan

This is kinda sad for the Twin Adders, top 20 players for all datacentre are either Immortal Flame or Malestorm....

This is pretty neat!

I kinda wish it tracked overall kills/damage too. Maybe someday! :)

personal ratings or bust. only thing this is good for tracking is GC performance per datacenter and server, not by player. all u gotta do is play alot to make it to the top and it shows no bearing on if the player is just another derp who midfields or is actively participating and being an asset to their team by pushing occupations, kills, damage, heals, points contributed, etc

edit: inb4 the first noob in ilvl 50 job gear says "i'm #1 on the whole data center"

frontlines standings are a joke.. based on total wins even with low low win rates and you can still be top 5.. it should be based on total games played in conjunction with win rate.

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Originally Posted by Ankrios

frontlines standings are a joke.. based on total wins even with low low win rates and you can still be top 5.. it should be based on total games played in conjunction with win rate.

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I agree with this ^

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Originally Posted by Ankrios

frontlines standings are a joke.. based on total wins even with low low win rates and you can still be top 5.. it should be based on total games played in conjunction with win rate.

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The first tab is the number of times winning first place, second tab is the winning ratio, and third tab is number of games. Even you can manipulate the 2nd tab, the 3rd tab will show the truth. But, yeah, they need to post withdrawl as loss automatically for this.

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Originally Posted by Gor

edit: inb4 the first noob in ilvl 50 job gear says "i'm #1 on the whole data center"

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What I am expecting out of this ranking system, is to give people a motivation to win. My insanity has been in dangerously low this week after seeing Twin Adders just give up. I hope this ranking system will give some inititive to people and make them try to work together.

how does it calculate FCs? how do they do that?

glad they put it in, but it dictates who has plays the game the most and on succession of wins rather than an elo-rank... Well I was #1 for the first mo/ now others are above because FL has no real incentive for the HC. Oh well...

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Originally Posted by Divinemight

The first tab is the number of times winning first place, second tab is the winning ratio, and third tab is number of games. Even you can manipulate the 2nd tab, the 3rd tab will show the truth. But, yeah, they need to post withdrawl as loss automatically for this.

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yeah it shows win rates too.. but look at the people and the matches played, most of them have only played 10 matches/100% win rate.. i mean i guess I understand what your saying about motivation, but as it stands right now, the current system is just meh

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Originally Posted by Ankrios

yeah it shows win rates too.. but look at the people and the matches played, most of them have only played 10 matches/100% win rate.. i mean i guess I understand what your saying about motivation, but as it stands right now, the current system is just meh

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and win rates will always be topped by players who do premades and have no where near as many games played as players who solo or just play with 1-2 friends and just leave it up to luck for a win. players who solo queue or play with 1-2 of their friends will always be at the bottom despite that they've played hundreds of games, while someone who majority of the time only does premades only has a few dozen games but a higher chance to win will be at the top. for instance, I have the most wins on my datacenter but 99.9% of the time i queue solo or duo with my friend. but my win rate is 56% because i don't run in a premade that would increase my chances of winning so i am nowhere on the win rate list.

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Originally Posted by Gor

and win rates will always be topped by players who do premades and have no where near as many games played as players who solo or just play with 1-2 friends and just leave it up to luck for a win. players who solo queue or play with 1-2 of their friends will always be at the bottom despite that they've played hundreds of games, while someone who majority of the time only does premades only has a few dozen games but a higher chance to win will be at the top. for instance, I have the most wins on my datacenter but 99.9% of the time i queue solo or duo with my friend. but my win rate is 56% because i don't run in a premade that would increase my chances of winning so i am nowhere on the win rate list.

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Would be ideal to perhaps factor in Kills - death , damage done / healing done etc into the "Overall" rankings. Will be a tricky algorithm though to be honest, what they done is just the easiest and simplest way to do it.

Would be nice if the numbers were at least accurate lols. My total wins, according to the rankings, is almost 2x less than my actual wins on my FL record >_>

It's a good step forward. I'm glad to see square implemented any kind of standings at all. But as others have mentioned, it does need more work. A personal rating system would be a possible way to more accurately determine top players in Frontlines.

You checked weekly not total wins?

I would not want to see a total damage, heals, or kills tab. Nothing like promoting the epeen people to wander around getting kills then playing the game. Unless we get a battle ground that is just kill based. I have seen enough of that crap in PvP in other games.

I hope they implement something similar for Wolves' Den cause I think that would help revive the place a bit. If anywhere, that would be the place to implement a counter for total damage, kills and heals.

7/10 of the top 10 Primal are from my Leviathan LS [Monthly - Victories Tab]
6/10 worldwide [Monthly - Victories Tab]

Just sayin'...

Just as i expected, hunt gear killed other fcs XD most experienced ppl are in Maelstrom, if you see the ranking is full of Red flags, i asked so many friends from other servers and many of them and their friends switched to maelstrom for the hunt gear,anyway is still pretty fun i cant believe i got around 60% win rate with inmortal flames when most of ppl i pvp with got 18-30% win rate lol.

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Originally Posted by tehomegaking

these rankings are stupid all round ... These ratings mean nothing whatsoever.

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yep. that pretty much sums it up

Wow, I suppose this is the reason why a lot of people have been leaving matches when they knew they were going to lose which is pretty silly as these rankings have no serious bearing at all. I wish it was based on individual ELO but I can see that being difficult to implement given all the variables that occur in matches between zergs.

It will be very interesting to see the next iteration of this because I recognize almost all the names on the rankings for my cluster/GC but I do not see most of those people any more and Adders has been a hot mess of losses ever since. I am certain I won't know any of the names in the next update.

its kinda cool to see your name in the top 3 for somethings but its pretty basic. i guess it's better then nothing

Hmm not sure why people saying premade can carry people when there are two other alliances that can suck hard core and lose the game. Plus the q are way longer the more people you have, and imo it's not worth it. All of the people I know who are in the top 10 on my server usually solo q or q with 2-3 people tops. That is definitely not ground breaking to win the game. Not sure why most of these people on this forum are acting like people got carried.

i just dont understand?

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Originally Posted by hours

Wow, I suppose this is the reason why a lot of people have been leaving matches when they knew they were going to lose which is pretty silly as these rankings have no serious bearing at all. I wish it was based on individual ELO but I can see that being difficult to implement given all the variables that occur in matches between zergs.

It will be very interesting to see the next iteration of this because I recognize almost all the names on the rankings for my cluster/GC but I do not see most of those people any more and Adders has been a hot mess of losses ever since. I am certain I won't know any of the names in the next update.

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I was wondering something similar. But one thing I was thinking about, since successive GC losses gives you a bonus to your PVP score with each match, if you're in a GC with multiple losses (i.e. noTwin Adders) that resets after a win, then if you spend time queuing and battling, and quit when it's clear it's a loss, you're just screwing yourself out of PVP rank points right? I'd always rather win than lose, but the last match I played we came in last and I got almost as many points as when we come in first.

If someone was on a many-game winning streak, sure quitting might keep that streak artificially inflated... and the benefits of extra points from an initial loss would be negligible...but being in Twin Adders, they're going to have to quit a lot of matches to keep that up and either their PVP rank is so high they don't care, or it's lower than it could be- meaning less action points to buy skill upgrades to be more effective with. Either way they're a liability by not sticking things out to do their best over the short and long haul.

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Originally Posted by hours

Wow, I suppose this is the reason why a lot of people have been leaving matches when they knew they were going to lose

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no ppl leave matches when they know its an obvious loss because they got mad at being on Team Suck. they got sick of ppl's ish and can't bear being in a match full of bads. they came in to have fun with a real match but then get linked up with derps, feel like the match is a waste of their time so they'd rather take a 30 to get as far away from them as fast as possible rather than trying to play with a ruined gaming experience. who wants to play a game where you KNOW you're not going to get a heal. where you know you're team is not going to be able to capture flags, or kill the drones, or they know they're just going to get steamrolled at every attempt they make to achieve something in the game, because their team is so bad.

And besides, people were long doing that before anyone knew about the rankings coming out. Some ppl play FL for fun, and thus don't care about the points, so if there is no fun, why stay? they leave.

now i'm fired up! i want the first place in my server :D