Nanamo's role in the future

This is a speculation thread about U'dah's current sultana. I think she will have a more active role later in the storyline, especially concerning Teleiji and the Syndicate. The question how will the recent turn of events affect her in the long run, and what this means for Ul'dah and maybe the rest of Eorzea?

With the Sultana's brother Teledji being a member of the Syndicate and the Syndicate's main ambitions being gil and power. I always thought a sibling dispute would happen, but I expected Lord Lolorito to be the first to try and vie for the power in Ul'dah. Whether or not Teledji has an Ascian behind him will remain to be seen, but with the Garleans in "ruins" it's the perfect chance for him to strike and try to seize power. This is why I enjoy Ul'dah compared to Gridania and Limsa, makes for good drama. Of course realistically Admiral Merlwyb should be facing the Gauntlet (I think that's the name of the event to choose the next Admiral) but I doubt we'll see her in anything threatening her power relatively soon lol.

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Originally Posted by NoloeTazier

With the Sultana's brother Teledji being a member of the Syndicate and the Syndicate's main ambitions being gil and power. I always thought a sibling dispute would happen, but I expected Lord Lolorito to be the first to try and vie for the power in Ul'dah. Whether or not Teledji has an Ascian behind him will remain to be seen, but with the Garleans in "ruins" it's the perfect chance for him to strike and try to seize power. This is why I enjoy Ul'dah compared to Gridania and Limsa, makes for good drama. Of course realistically Admiral Merlwyb should be facing the Gauntlet (I think that's the name of the event to choose the next Admiral) but I doubt we'll see her in anything threatening her power relatively soon lol.

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Noloe Teledji is not the sultana's brother

All we need is a failed assassination plot against Nanamo, to finally pissed her off real bad and suddenly she become a terrifying persona or lets just say Nanamo is WoW's Jaina Proudmoore before the destruction of Theramore and we need a megalomaniac Garrosh style to trigger Nanamo's "mature" personality

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Originally Posted by Empressia

All we need is a failed assassination plot against Nanamo, to finally pissed her off real bad and suddenly she become a terrifying persona or lets just say Nanamo is WoW's Jaina Proudmoore before the destruction of Theramore and we need a megalomaniac Garrosh style to trigger Nanamo's "mature" personality

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Wouldn't 1.0 Darnus be considered a "Garrosh" technically? I'm only starting to get into the SoO storyline but didn't Darnus call down Dalamud against the will of the empire in the first place? Much like how Garrosh started creating a shitstorm (using the Sha's Heart) against Thrall's vision for the Horde?

Aside from that, I could never see Nanamo's character go from innocent to psychotic (with good reason) like Jaina did, but who would be a person so close to her that his/her death would cause them to snap? Besides Raubahn

Garrosh was the leader of the Horde at that point, so not really. Many orcs were okay with his vision too, and were ready to do anything to fight the alliance and kill all those who stood in their way.
Nael on the other hand was allowed to cast down Meteor, but Gaius was against it and so "helped us" figuring out what was happening because he didn't want to conquer a wasteland.

As for Jaina, this is totally different. She's one of the strongest archmage in Azeroth, and was betrayed by people she allowed in Dalaran in the first place. Right now, Ala Mhigan refugees aren't going to detonate a mana bomb empowered by the most powerful arcane artifact in the world, eh. Besides, she'd have a hard time summoning a tsunami to destroy the opponent city ;o

WoW and FF settings are so different in so many ways, you can't really compare them.

And what is this related to Nanamo's role? pls dont go away from the main tpic :p

I'm hoping for a full on civil war between the royalists and the monetarists. We'll see where Raubahn's loyalties truly lie. As much as I would dislike seeing it happen, it would make a good story for Raubahn to betray the Sultana and join the Monetarists. Only you and the Sultansworn stand in their way. You'd have to fight Raubahn to protect the Sultana. Doubt that happens, because what would happen to the Flames? What if you are a member of the Flames, do you have to fight them? oooooooooo this could get exciting.

Hope it doesn't happen, I hope if a civil war does come, Raubahn will use the Flames to protect the Sultana. The way the mini-story of Ul'dah is going, it could be a very interesting story. She's losing power, I think she'll have no choice but to remove the Syndicate by force.

The rest of the sindicate members are courrupt, they have interesting in coin and power. But could they be compared as Teledji? Maybe lorolito us a asshole that have more interest on his money than the necesitis of the people, but making treason to the sultana and specialy to Ul'dah? I doubt that could happen

Could be civil war but then again could be lalafell jersey shore.
Who knows.. Only yoshi p knows.

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

Could be civil war but then again could be lalafell jersey shore.
Who knows.. Only yoshi p knows.

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best answer ever :p

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Originally Posted by Bauti

Noloe Teledji is not the sultana's brother

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Actually he's the Prince of Ul'dah, making him quite related~ As it stands we don't know if she has anymore brothers or sisters so he'd clearly be next in line if something happened to Nanamo going by the current knowledge we have.

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Originally Posted by NoloeTazier

Actually he's the Prince of Ul'dah, making him quite related~ As it stands we don't know if she has anymore brothers or sisters so he'd clearly be next in line if something happened to Nanamo going by the current knowledge we have.

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A story-line where we had to deal with Nanamo's political marriage would be pretty interesting. Especially if she feels she's going to need a better heir in a hurry.

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Originally Posted by NoloeTazier

Actually he's the Prince of Ul'dah, making him quite related~ As it stands we don't know if she has anymore brothers or sisters so he'd clearly be next in line if something happened to Nanamo going by the current knowledge we have.

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I would like to know where this is stated, as I've never seen it said in-game anywhere. :\

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Originally Posted by RickiFake02

I would like to know where this is stated, as I've never seen it said in-game anywhere. :\

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It's from 1.0 lol that's what I explained in my earlier post. 2.0 has not explained who Teledji Adeledji is to new players. http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Immortal_Flames_Afire in 1.0 we had 3 different "papers" publishing articles which would more than likely contain some kind of lore. Each city state had one. The Mythril Eye for Ul'dah, The Raven for Gridania, The Harbor Herald for Limsa Lominsa. Gamerscape has all the old articles in the archive they're pretty fun reads. But back on to my point, it's hard for new players to understand who exactly is on and what the Syndicate is if they didn't play in 1.0 (that and was from Ul'dah like myself) and even then most 1.0 players didn't understand the storylines. Most of the real Lore of the game wasn't fully understood until Anonymoose, Catapult, myself and others began to brainstorm and rewatch cutscenes (CG Midlander thread, so many pages) and this was when the servers went down or shortly before they did. Luckily for us Ferne stopped by quite a few times to help us with things.

A lot of the 2.0 storyline bugs me (such as Gaius playing 2nd fiddle to the Ascians and being a weak character while Nael was a strong figure and felt like what a real Garlean enemy should be) so I'm hopeful things will get fleshed out more, especially since we were told the 1.0 storylines would be explained eventually (Travanchet and the horn? Corguevais and Ascilia with a splash of who killed Nielle and what happened to Warburton). But yeah Ul'dah will continue to drive me crazy lol I always assumed the "evil" of Ul'dah would come from Lord Lolorito first, he was way more dark and dangerous in 1.0. But Teledji Adeledji is on the Syndicate and the main purpose of the Platinum Mirage is the closed doors high-roller high-stakes casino atmosphere it has going on and if he's a 2nd in line he has a lot to stand if Nanamo is sick/killed/whatever...straight from phase 3 and the same lalafell still has the speech bubble as of 3 minutes ago. (Didn't want to upload 2 of the same pics, only difference being my real character compared to betas)

http://cdn.guildwork.net/albums/imag...33e1da52d2.jpg

Wow, I never knew about those in game newspaper articles. Neat, I'll have to read through them. Is he actually blood relative, or is that just a title, like "Merchant Prince"?

Again, he is not the sultana's brother. For know we dont know if she has brothers or not, Se didnt said anything. That he marries or takes the throne of th sultana is very different, but again we dont know. As far as we know he could be a boss, facing him while he is controling omega, like gaius with ultima. He ia not a prince either, just a high lord of the sindicate, his rank is the same as lorolito

He's not really a prince? So you mean to tell me he's putting on airs? If there was a tradition of wealthy men declaring themselves "trade princes" as mentioned above, this would make sense. As it is, I think her imperial majesty would be quite insulted to have someone who was not royalty to declare himself so.

Maybe not an immediate relation to Nanamo, but show me where it says that he has no relation to the Ul Dynasty whatsoever. To not have made a major plot point of this fact by now makes no sense.

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Originally Posted by Saikou

Maybe not an immediate relation to Nanamo, but show me where it says that he has no relation to the Ul Dynasty whatsoever. To not have made a major plot point of this fact by now makes no sense.

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That's not how it works. If you want to assume something, you have to show proof that it *might* be possible. Not the other way around.

Otherwise, I can say Roe are actually aliens from another planet, and they have a starship the size of Eorzea, in the north, eating lalafell for breakfast (that point might be true!), and having 12 arms that they usually hide to make people more comfortable. Prove me wrong ?

There's absolutely no proof he is related to the Ul dynasty, so until further notice and more informations, he's not.

SE carefully words things. If he was a Merchant Prince he'd be named so but he's not even a merchant, he owns the Platinum Mirage which is a casino of sorts for rich people, the Pugilists also serve as a sort of Brinks-sercurity service as well as being bodyguards to the rich. He doesn't have to have Ul in his name to be a brother (maybe cousin) to Nanamo. Name sake wise there's no Lore to how names pass on, such as Baldric Thorne and Edvya..we don't know if Edvya's name was Thorne or if she becomes a Thorne if she assumed power or what. The only thing we know is the dynasty name is passed down somehow whether that be birth or when the title Sultan(a) is given. I guess I never should have thrown out my notes from 1.0 lol

OK, fine, Mr Debate Coach. But Bauti has no way to say with certitude that Teledji "is not a Prince." The evidence at least points to this much being true. He is styled and acknowledged by others in the city in which he lives as a Prince, therefore he is a Prince. Where we get into muddy waters is "Prince of what in relation to whom?" This may be a logical fallacy, but he lives in Ul'Dah - therefore it is highly likely that he is in the Royal line of that city even if only from a Branch Family. Kinda like the difference between House Lannister of Lannisport compares House Lannister of Casterly Rock in ASOIAF. Narratively, it makes no sense for him to be a Prince in name only and completely unrelated to the royalty in Ul'Dah.

You're wrong, Alenore. You're just wrong. Bring it on. =P

I feel like if he were in line for the throne, this would have been mentioned in this latest storyline. There is no way he could make a move like he did, be related to the Sultana, and not have his relation to her even mentioned once.

He could also be a banker: https://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...=1006050622620

You are the one wrong Saikou, you arent even noticing what are you saing, lol what is all that game of thrones stuff related with this post?
Pls stop saing stupid stuff. HE IS NOT A PRINCE, he is a high lord of uldah, a member of the sindicate. A council that with the sultana, froms the goverment of Ul dah. Common is quite obious, THERE WAS NO WORD that he could be a prince. that "merchant prince" is a meaning, not that they are actualy prince. Please just get over it and look more cutscenes beacuse you seem to know nothing

http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/The_Syndicate

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Originally Posted by GamerEscape

The Syndicate is an elite group of six of the most influential and richest members of Ul'dahn society. While the sultan of Ul'dah claims sovereignty over the city-state, the Syndicate is the true center of power.
Membership:

Raubahn Aldynn, General of the Immortal Flames
Lolorito, Chairman of the East Aldenard Trading Comapny
Teledji Adeledji, Prince of Ul'dah and head of the Mirage Trust
Lord Godbert Manderville Goldsmith
Dewlala, Director of Milvaneth Sacrarium
Fyrgeiss, Chief Foreman of Amajina & Sons Mineral Concern
Former:

Cicidoa Sosodoa
Eolande, Prior of Frondale's Phrontistery (replaced by Godbert Manderville)

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If the engineers of the Loretrain have it wrong, then we're all in trouble, Bauti. ...not Trade Prince, not Merchant Prince, but PRINCE OF UL'DAH... You know nothing, Bauti. (lol)

Please note this infographic.
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...mmortalflames/

"Prince Teledji Adeledji, the Mirage Trust"

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Originally Posted by RickiFake02

I feel like if he were in line for the throne, this would have been mentioned in this latest storyline. There is no way he could make a move like he did, be related to the Sultana, and not have his relation to her even mentioned once.

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That was my point in an earlier post, the storyline is not fleshed out as much as it could be. An example being the huge gap between the White Raven and the Black Wolf. Gaius took a HUGE backseat to the Ascians in the storyline, yes it's SE's storyline and they can do with it what they will but Nael van Darnus was much more of a badass. We fought Gaius in 1.0 with the aid of the Archons and got destroyed lol sure part of it was because he shot us with an airship but still. He had a better air, stronger air about him.

Anyways like I said we don't know how one becomes the Sultan(a) whether it's passed down from father/mother to child or a brother/cousin/uncle/whatever have just as much right to the throne. Teledji Adeledji may or may not be in line but in Ul'dah that's never stopped anyone, Gil trumps all. A new Dynasty line can begin and end at anytime (look at the rise and end of the line of Thorne).

Thanks NoloeTazier, I could not explain better. Saikuo. that info is from 1.0. So we dont know.

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Originally Posted by Saikou

OK, fine, Mr Debate Coach. But Bauti has no way to say with certitude that Teledji "is not a Prince." The evidence at least points to this much being true. He is styled and acknowledged by others in the city in which he lives as a Prince, therefore he is a Prince. Where we get into muddy waters is "Prince of what in relation to whom?" This may be a logical fallacy, but he lives in Ul'Dah - therefore it is highly likely that he is in the Royal line of that city even if only from a Branch Family. Kinda like the difference between House Lannister of Lannisport compares House Lannister of Casterly Rock in ASOIAF. Narratively, it makes no sense for him to be a Prince in name only and completely unrelated to the royalty in Ul'Dah.

You're wrong, Alenore. You're just wrong. Bring it on. =P

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Merchant Prince has never meant you were from royal blood, but was a term used to describe very rich and powerful magnates, usually having a good part of a town wealth and thus, a great influence over it. Ul'dah being a city totally built on the principle "Money is Power (and everything else)", the term "Merchant Prince" should fit anyone with enough financial power and trying to build his own faction (like Teledji does). You could say the whole Syndicate is made of Merchant Princes, actually.
If you want another relation to a game that people compared a bit recently, take WoW. The goblins factions are lead by Merchant Prince, having a bunch of workers and companies working for them, amassing cash. That's the same here.

Now if he is an actual Prince (he might be. Highly unlikely, but hey), it has never been mentioned in game. Or even implied.
The same infographics that has been posted doesn't mention prince in Japanese or French (though it does in German). Until we get more informations than ONE picture about it that doesn't even say the same thing in half the language,

I'll finish with the fact that there's a "prince" in japanese that is only a nobility title and doesn't relate to a royal/imperial family. :)

I just want all Lalafell to be removed from the game. Insufferable potato faces.

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Originally Posted by ProstatePuncher

I just want all Lalafell to be removed from the game. Insufferable potato faces.

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Are you a relation of ex-Gov George Wallace?

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Originally Posted by Alenore

The same infographics that has been posted doesn't mention prince in Japanese or French (though it does in German). Until we get more informations than ONE picture about it that doesn't even say the same thing in half the language,

I'll finish with the fact that there's a "prince" in japanese that is only a nobility title and doesn't relate to a royal/imperial family. :)

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Thanks for the info :D

Two things that hopefully add to the discussion: (in the Lalafell Naming Conventions thread)

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Fun Fact: Members of the Ul'dah and Sil'dih royal families also bear the names of their respective sultanates.

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and that sultanates have another set of words for princes, being (from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultan )
"Royal Prince : Shahzada, Mirza, Emir
Noble Prince : Mirza, Sahibzada"
an extension is "Nobleman: Nawab, Baig".

I feel as though they wouldn't shy away from calling him Mirza* Teledji Ul Adeledji if he truly was in line for the Ul throne.
*personal favorite of the choices
Ed: And considering how patriarchy-centric Muslim and Middle-Eastern society is as a whole, he probably would have been first in line regardless of which of them were older (if siblings)

Nanamo's role in the future will be the same role she had in the past:
"I will not hide while my people suffer!" - The Sultana's Seven

She'll get stuck between a rock and a hard place and rally her people with success and disappointment.

As for something more plot related, I would wager Lolorito and Teledji are waging war in the background. The bit of information that Teledji was after Omega weapon strikes me as planted by Lolorito, both to slow Teledji and divert attention from himself. Whenever one of the two strike, Nanamo will have to rise to the occasion.


To add the Teledji discussion, I doubt he is Nanamo's brother. There has been no interaction between the two to suggest a hint of intimacy.

Maybe senpai will finally notice me.

Honestly I'm more surprised right now that the discussion currently going on is not about whether or not we will see Godbert Manderville suplex people as part of the main questline.

I want to see more Godbert Limit Suplex.

Also you know the only reason he was in those robes in the cutscenes was because the Syndicate couldn't stand the glory of the booty shorts.

Since this involves information from Patch 2.4, I'll leave my thoughts inside spoiler tages for now.

I believe Nanamo is about to make a spectacularly ill-advised decision to abdicate the throne.

She may believe that turning Ul'dah into a republic would help return power to the people, but I suspect she'll just be playing into the hands of Teledji Adeledji, who has been plotting revolution for some time.

And what would revolution be, if not the abolishment of the monarchy?

It's important to know that a republic does not necessarily become a democracy. It's just a political entity that isn't ruled by a hereditary monarch.

Sure, the Syndicate, being an organ of the monarchy, would lose its legitimacy once Nanamo steps down, but that doesn't mean that its members would lose their political power as a result. In Ul'dah, money is power, and the erstwhile members of the Syndicate could easily spend their way to election victory.

And that's assuming that an election would be held. Chances are, even if one is organised, it would not be anywhere near universal sufferage. More likely than not, only native Ul'dahns of sufficient wealth would qualify to vote.

Ul'dah would just end up staying an oligarchy, except under a different leader.

Nanamo needs a serious lesson from Merlwyb on the need for, and uses of, power.

Ul'dah is not gonna become a republic, this would change all. The tree rank positions, welth all. Is like changing the game. Also the phases of those of the city-states are their leaders. Is like saing that ifrit is one of the primals but that at the end he become something else xD . Some thing will happen, something will force Nanamo to keep being the sultane. We will just have to wait on 2,5 and see what happens

Reading back all this stuff from August has been amusing. We have our answer about Teledji Adeledji - "Even if you went back generations, he would have no relation to Nanamo." -MCKF. So I guess that would make him merely a Robber Baron after all. Now I need to finish main scenario so I know what the heck is going on...