The Ultimate Weapon

AHHH! Speed runners, slow down!!!

Yesterday I finally made it to "The Ultimate Weapon!" WOOHOO! I was super excited. I knew there would be cut scenes but I went in with the full intention of skipping them and watching them in my room later.

So the quest starts:

"Hi guys! First time!"

No reply.

Ok whatever, not the friendliest bunch no big deal.

Then I got a few buffs, added some fists of fire...but...wtf. Everyone was gone!

I am trying to catch up, there are enemies all over, I am running but still getting hit. I have NO IDEA where to go. ...and then a cut scene starts, I mash O as fast as I can to skip it, but by the time my screen loads I am locked out of the fight. It was no biggie because I didn't even know where the fight was!

I proceed, trying to find my way, more cut screens, more messages that the chamber will lock in 15 seconds.

Then there is a cut scene and I am riding magitek armor. Sweet! Where did that come from?

Heck if I know.

UGH! The whole quest was ruined by speed runners. I did not participle in any battles though I did die 3 times trying to run away from mobs. Yippie.

I guess I should be grateful I did not get kicked...but wow... guys SLOW IT DOWN if you have got a first timer.

Also, I did have Party Finder up for over 2 hours before I finally decided to just go with Duty Finder... so "just make a party" doesn't always work.

Sorry for your luck. It does happen all the time though, and probably won't ever change. Don't worry, you will have many opportunities to run it again, the main scenario daily roulette bonus is super nice for myth tomes.

Yeah ''The Ultimate Weapon'' and the other 8 man I forget what it is

But they are full of people that run them for daily tomes that's about it , you get the occasional ''first timer'' that gives a now additional amount of tomes more incentive to complete and as fast as possible to get to other content . Being a healer and running them daily ( I always get Ultimate that's why I forgot the other one) I recommend skipping every cutscene asap and then just watching them on youtube

How did you ride your magi tek without accessing the key panels? Usually I heal or tank for my roulette, but if someone says they are new I usually wait for them.

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Originally Posted by sky_line

How did you ride your magi tek without accessing the key panels?

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Yup, I call shenanigans!

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Originally Posted by sky_line

How did you ride your magi tek without accessing the key panels? Usually I heal or tank for my roulette, but if someone says they are new I usually wait for them.

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Isn't there one sitting at the bottom of that ramp next to the shortcut? Not sure if you still need to use the keycard tho.

Edit: NVM, reread post.. Maybe he did use it? Not sure.

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

Isn't there one sitting at the bottom of that ramp next to the shortcut? Not sure if you still need to use the keycard tho.

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Isn't that Cid?

The cutscene at the end has you on a magitech armor escaping. I think thats what he is referring to

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Originally Posted by kidvideo

Yup, I call shenanigans!

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I wish it was shenanigans, but it was not. I didn't even know about the key panels. However, they showed a cutscene and my character was riding in a MagiTek...eventually I found the Magitek hanger, but I could not access them? Probably because I did not touch said key panel. Oh well.

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How did you ride your magi tek without accessing the key panels?

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The cutscene of you blowing up Nero's "door" will show you in magitek armor, even if you never actually clicked the thingy or got in the armor.

At this stage of the game it might be easier to plan to do this dungeon multiple times to fully experience it. If you have turned on the setting to auto-skip previously viewed cutscenes you'll be able to go through faster and keep up. It'll still be hectic but hey at least every time you clear you get a good chunk of myth to help gear up.

There are two sides to this whole story and I certainly sympathize with first timers who aren't able to fully enjoy these dungeons. However, the opposite side of the coin is that a lot of the people who are running this through the roulette are in there for the 500th time and just want to get their myth and move along onto something they haven't seen on a daily basis for the past 6+ months.

You said you sat in party finder for a couple hours, so you see how hard it would be to do this without the help of those 7 others that already have, to think your watching cutscenes is more important than the time of those 7 others is kind of selfish. After sitting in party finder for that long you should be thankful to those people, because now you can move on with the main story.

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Originally Posted by Mcshiggs

You said you sat in party finder for a couple hours, so you see how hard it would be to do this without the help of those 7 others that already have, to think your watching cutscenes is more important than the time of those 7 others is kind of selfish. After sitting in party finder for that long you should be thankful to those people, because now you can move on with the main story.

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He didn't want to watch cutscenes, just participate. I agree with OP, the party should have filled him in a little bit and let him participate in the boss fights.

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Originally Posted by Jakeson

He didn't want to watch cutscenes, just participate. I agree with OP, the party should have filled him in a little bit and let him participate in the boss fights.

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So he just wasn't paying attention to where people were going? It's not hard to watch 7 other people and go where they go. It's one thing to not explain a boss fight to a new person, but when that person can't even get to the boss because the group wasn't holding his hand telling him, "Ok we are running, so run with us," there is no one to blame but the one that wasn't paying attention.

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Originally Posted by Mcshiggs

You said you sat in party finder for a couple hours, so you see how hard it would be to do this without the help of those 7 others that already have, to think your watching cutscenes is more important than the time of those 7 others is kind of selfish. After sitting in party finder for that long you should be thankful to those people, because now you can move on with the main story.

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LF2M to speedrun OP, will skip point, just interested in making sanctimonious post.

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Originally Posted by Mcshiggs

So he just wasn't paying attention to where people were going? It's not hard to watch 7 other people and go where they go. It's one thing to not explain a boss fight to a new person, but when that person can't even get to the boss because the group wasn't holding his hand telling him, "Ok we are running, so run with us," there is no one to blame but the one that wasn't paying attention.

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I remember the first time running through that place. If you don't know people are going to skip half the dungeon it gets very confusing. Those places aren't self-explanatory, so they should have at least communicated a little to allow him to keep up.

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Originally Posted by Mcshiggs

So he just wasn't paying attention to where people were going? It's not hard to watch 7 other people and go where they go. It's one thing to not explain a boss fight to a new person, but when that person can't even get to the boss because the group wasn't holding his hand telling him, "Ok we are running, so run with us," there is no one to blame but the one that wasn't paying attention.

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Coz it's so hard to communicate a little and type. Hmm.

All new players should just sit at the entrance then since no one seems to want to inform them of anything. Oh, wait, then you'll accuse them of leeching, that's how it goes, doesn't it.

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Originally Posted by Mcshiggs

You said you sat in party finder for a couple hours, so you see how hard it would be to do this without the help of those 7 others that already have, to think your watching cutscenes is more important than the time of those 7 others is kind of selfish. After sitting in party finder for that long you should be thankful to those people, because now you can move on with the main story.

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wow, nice.
really.
you are the kind of person who ragequits if the duty roulette low makes you go to Stone Vigil.
I betcha.

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Originally Posted by Mcshiggs

You said you sat in party finder for a couple hours, so you see how hard it would be to do this without the help of those 7 others that already have, to think your watching cutscenes is more important than the time of those 7 others is kind of selfish. After sitting in party finder for that long you should be thankful to those people, because now you can move on with the main story.

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Wow, I never said anything of the sort. I went in knowing I would be skipping cut scenes. However they must have their settings set to "Do not show cut scene if it has been seen before" I did not, so the loading of the cut scene, even just to cancel it, took over 30 seconds. Making me unable to keep up. Not to mention getting lost, and the lifts that disappear and need to be called back up. Very confusing for a first timer.

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Originally Posted by Defteros

wow, nice.
really.
you are the kind of person who ragequits if the duty roulette low makes you go to Stone Vigil.
I betcha.

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Why would I do that, those Ishgardian ingots are selling well now, and that is a far stretch on your part, I told the OP they should be thankful 7 people carried them through a main story dungeon after he waited for over 2 hours on it, even after the OP got lost by not paying attention. I never said anything about ragequitting or anything like that, I just didn't feel that the OP should have come to forums to whine about being carried.

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Originally Posted by Mcshiggs

Why would I do that, those Ishgardian ingots are selling well now, and that is a far stretch on your part, I told the OP they should be thankful 7 people carried them through a main story dungeon after he waited for over 2 hours on it, even after the OP got lost by not paying attention. I never said anything about ragequitting or anything like that, I just didn't feel that the OP should have come to forums to whine about being carried.

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You're being a troll, nobody was whining about being carried, he wanted to experience the content just like everyone else. He was just pointing out that there are still new players and slowing down a hair and explaining just enough to keep up won't hurt elite egos.

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Originally Posted by Mcshiggs

Why would I do that, those Ishgardian ingots are selling well now, and that is a far stretch on your part, I told the OP they should be thankful 7 people carried them through a main story dungeon after he waited for over 2 hours on it, even after the OP got lost by not paying attention. I never said anything about ragequitting or anything like that, I just didn't feel that the OP should have come to forums to whine about being carried.

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LMAO! Wow, not whining just suggesting people slow down! Perhaps I didn't WANT to be carried? I like to LEARN the dungeons so I can help others. You know, work as a TEAM. Novel concept in an MMORPG, I know.

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Originally Posted by Dagger_32

LMAO! Wow, not whining just suggesting people slow down! Perhaps I didn't WANT to be carried? I like to LEARN the dungeons so I can help others. You know, work as a TEAM. Novel concept in an MMORPG, I know.

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So you try party finder because you didn't want a speed run, get tired of no one helping, so you join duty finder, knowing that a speed run is probably what is waiting? You get in tell them you are new, at this point do you expect them to not do a speed run for you? If they said nothing and ran off, you should have been able to tell they were speed running, if you didn't keep up that is on you. If you see them run up to something and disappear and you can't figure out you need to run up to it and click it, that is on you. You couldn't get a non speed run party made, so you went to the ease of the duty finder, and after 7 others didn't cater to you, it upset you enough to post about it on the fourms, I see that as your problem not theirs. And the 7 others were working as a team, you weren't. You knew you were quieng up for what would most likely be a speed run, then come here to complain that you qued up and got a speed run.

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Originally Posted by Mcshiggs

Why would I do that, those Ishgardian ingots are selling well now, and that is a far stretch on your part, I told the OP they should be thankful 7 people carried them through a main story dungeon after he waited for over 2 hours on it, even after the OP got lost by not paying attention. I never said anything about ragequitting or anything like that, I just didn't feel that the OP should have come to forums to whine about being carried.

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Is this really necessary? You are entitled to your opinion on the matter. But the delivery doesn't have to be like that. Or not said at all. OP was just explaining about how it was really confusing in the dungeon. And it can be confusing for new people.

Don't mean to go all grade school, but...

If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all.

I'm just going to say that I feel for you, OP.

I got super lucky with my first Praetorium run and had an awesome group who had no problem with it... but I've also been through Main Story Roulette enough times to know that I've been locked out of battles simply due to the amount of time it used to take PS3 to start a cutscene -> able to hit 'skip cutscene' -> back in game.

Can't slow down. Majority of us have seen Prae/Castrum 1000 times. We just want our bonus and gtfo. That's basically it. :/

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Originally Posted by Mcshiggs

So you try party finder because you didn't want a speed run, get tired of no one helping, so you join duty finder, knowing that a speed run is probably what is waiting? You get in tell them you are new, at this point do you expect them to not do a speed run for you?

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Nowhere did the OP say they didn't want a speedrun. All they were mentioning is if it is a speed run at least let people know which way to run incase they don't know.

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Originally Posted by KyrieBonvalet

Is this really necessary? You are entitled to your opinion on the matter. But the delivery doesn't have to be like that. Or not said at all. OP was just explaining about how it was really confusing in the dungeon. And it can be confusing for new people.

Don't mean to go all grade school, but...

If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all.

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But how else will they feed their egos?

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Originally Posted by Mcshiggs

So you try party finder because you didn't want a blah blah join duty finder, knowing that a speed run is blah blah. You get in tell them you are new, at this point do you blah blah? If they said nothing and ran off, you should have been able to tell they were blah blah, if you didn't keep up that is on you. See them run up to something and disappear and you can't figure out you need to run up blah blah, that is on you. You couldn't get a blah blah blah, so you went to the ease of the duty finder, and after 7 others didn't cater to you, it blah blah to post about it on the fourms, I see that as your problem not blah blah blah

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Troll is trolling and winning. Ignore, for that path leads to the dark side.

OP, as a PS3 player I feel your pain. I couldn't skip fast enough because of the load times, and party zerged through without me too. Next time you're in it, if there's a newbie, slow down for them.

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Originally Posted by Eggnook24

Troll is trolling and winning. Ignore, for that path leads to the dark side.

OP, as a PS3 player I feel your pain. I couldn't skip fast enough because of the load times, and party zerged through without me too. Next time you're in it, if there's a newbie, slow down for them.

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Were the words in my post that you replaced with blahs the ones that are too difficult for you to understand?

Somehow Mcshiggs got severely more upset than the OP. The main story runs are hard for first timers to keep up because everyone else knows exactly where to go and their cut scenes are automatically skipped, which is faster than skipping the cut scene at the first chance manually. Because of that you'll fall behind a few seconds at least every time a cut scene pops. On top of that you have to be following anyway since you don't know where to go so you can never catch back up unless they wait a few seconds for you. As long as nobody's purposely leaving you behind and then complaining about it I guess it's no big deal really. After the 10th or so time you complete Praetorium you'll forget all about not being able to participate the first time.

When 2.0 came out, my first Praetorium was awesome. No one knew wtf to do we just went around killing stuff. Man that was the tits! Everyone was cheering when we beat Ultima...then it was like...wtf!! Another one! We cheered when we beat that Ultima, then were like, OMG A FINAL BOSS!! But in pure Final Fantasy fashion, the last boss was cake.

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Originally Posted by Mcshiggs

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Alright, I see you are indeed a troll so this is my last response. Having just turned level 50, I have never participated in a speed run. Did I join DF knowing it would be a speed run? NOPE! I do however know that there is controversy over watching cut scenes which is why I skip them and watch them on my own time. Now this is where you seem to get confused: When a group is speed running, they all have their cut scenes turned off. I did not, as I had never watched them before so the "Skip cut scene if seen before" option does not apply.

So start dungeon, wait for cut scene to load, skip cut scene, wait for dungeon to load because it is 8 players it takes even longer to load, plus I am on the PS3, so that means an even longer time. I could never see where they went. How was I to follow? My only choice was to explore. So I am going A-B-C-D and they are going A-D, making it impossible for me to catch up. Not to mention I keep dying because I am exploring and running from mobs.

Am I asking people to cater to me? Nope! Am I trying to make people aware of this issue so they can take note of stragglers and maybe give them a chance to catch up? I sure am! The more people that know the dungeon (and how to fight the bosses), the more it helps out the community as a whole. Simple as that.

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Originally Posted by Dagger_32

So start dungeon, wait for cut scene to load, skip cut scene, wait for dungeon to load because it is 8 players it takes even longer to load, plus I am on the PS3, so that means an even longer time. I could never see where they went. How was I to follow?

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Originally Posted by Dagger_32

So the quest starts:

"Hi guys! First time!"

No reply.

Ok whatever, not the friendliest bunch no big deal.

Then I got a few buffs, added some fists of fire...but...wtf. Everyone was gone!

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This is why it makes me think you just weren't paying attention, at first you say you were able to say hello, and that it was your first time after everything started, they even got you buffed. Now you are saying as you load in everyone was gone. The cutscenes skipping at the start makes no difference, because the gate doesn't go down until everyone has either skipped or watched the opening cutscene. Your story is changing, leading me to believe anymore you just weren't paying attention to everyone when they ran off. Also if you didn't think duty finder would be a speed run, why did you sit in party finder for two hours before you finally decided to go with the duty finder? Just doesn't make sense.

its not the speed runners no one wants to wait for you to watch because they done that dungeon a 1000 times and just want to finish for there roulette. you can either deal with that or have no one to help you.

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Originally Posted by Mcshiggs

This is why it makes me think you just weren't paying attention, at first you say you were able to say hello, and that it was your first time after everything started, they even got you buffed. Now you are saying as you load in everyone was gone. The cutscenes skipping at the start makes no difference, because the gate doesn't go down until everyone has either skipped or watched the opening cutscene.

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Yes, because there's no cutscene before first boss. And after first boss. And getting into magitek armour. And blasting open a door. And before the second boss. After second boss. Activating an elevator. After third boss. Opening a door. After fourth boss. Killing fourth boss. Killing fifth boss.

Right, because ONLY the first cutscene matters.

Oh right, lets also forget the elevator trips. Surely they can just jump down, right? They obviously don't need to wait for people to go down, press a switch, wait for elevator to come back up, press switch, elevator go down! Surely it's their own fault they can't keep up!

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Originally Posted by whoopeeragon

Yes, because there's no cutscene before first boss. And after first boss. And getting into magitek armour. And blasting open a door. And before the second boss. After second boss. Activating an elevator. After third boss. Opening a door. After fourth boss. Killing fourth boss. Killing fifth boss.

Right, because ONLY the first cutscene matters.

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The OP said they were left behind right at the beginning, so yes, that first cutscene was all that matters, they weren't paying attention, everyone ran off, they got left behind.

Yeah, the OP is clearly making up this elaborate lie of being left behind, regardless of the fact that it happens like..to many other people daily. :rolleyes:

PS. If you are a fresh level 50, you don't know what a speedrun is, hence you don't know how to expect it.

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Originally Posted by Mcshiggs

The OP said they were left behind right at the beginning, so yes, that first cutscene was all that matters, they weren't paying attention, everyone ran off, they got left behind.

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Because you SHOULD expect everyone to just run off as soon as the barrier comes down without explaining a little bit or even greeting in your very first run of a dungeon. Even with a bigass sentence in the middle of your screen announcing that it is someone's first time there.

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Originally Posted by whoopeeragon

Because you SHOULD expect everyone to just run off as soon as the barrier comes down without explaining a little bit or even greeting in your very first run of a dungeon. Even with a bigass sentence in the middle of your screen announcing that it is someone's first time there.

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I've been in plenty of groups where we got the message that it was someone's first time, no one said anything, and the new person was able to keep up, I guess those advanced skills of following people is a rare skill that not everyone has. I feel sorry for these people now that I think about it, if a new restaurant opens in town, you go, the waitress goes to seat you, and suddenly you are lost, the waitress didn't tell you the location of your booth, you have no choice but to go home and post a negative review about the poor service, that waitress didn't give you step by step instructions to your booth, they expected you to actually follow them, how dare they not have a map, they should have known it was your first time.