New 3 Star Weapons

I've tried to craft one of the new lv95 weapons: Inferno Claws.
I used the usual rotation for that kind of recipe but was not able to complete the sequence.
Is it possible to obtain HQ with this recipe?
Any hint how to craft it?

Thank you in advance for your help.

"Aspect: Fire"

So your CS2 probably got you around 36 progress. Brand of Fire should get you about 60.

3xPbP, 2xBoF, 1xCS2 should finish the recipe

or

2xPbP, 2xRapid Synthesis, 1xBoF is probably a better option, but RS can fail.

Thank you Stouter, but is it possible to craft the HQ version or not?
Without spending all the CP in HQ the progress should not present problems.
Do you have a rotation to suggest me?

I would stick with hasty spam, looking at rotations you should be able to hit it with 4xPbP, BoF, and a CS2:

CZ
IQ
SH
4xPbP

stuff

143 CP, 30 durability left
SH2 (or SH with 125 CP is OK)
ING2
INNO
GS
BB
BoF
CS2

DID it.
Crafted 1 NQ and 1 HQ.

Tahnk you for your Help

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Originally Posted by Marih

DID it.
Crafted 1 NQ and 1 HQ.

Tahnk you for your Help

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Which methods did u use? How many PbP and cs2/ brand of fire did u use? Also why did one come out NQ?

I did an Ifrit WAR Axe yesterday. The rotation I use for i90 doesn't work here and trying to make a new rotation. Mostly likely a lot of PbP and BoF. CSII is gone. BoF was given 53 and CSII with ING II only gave 35. I would to the Progress first the quality second if you are not sure. better an nq than breaking it. my Stats are 398/393/395 at the time of making it with food.
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j3...ps78661f1e.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j3...ps1a50efff.jpg

is there a way to get 100% hq ?

At this time I would say HQ is more luck than rotation. I used all HQ mats and it doesn't give the same quality start as you would get in i90 gear. The rotation I am looking at takes more steps on progress and doesn't leave as much room for quality as I would like. If possible you really want that finaly BB to be good or excellent.

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Originally Posted by Millen1

I did an Ifrit WAR Axe yesterday. The rotation I use for i90 doesn't work here and trying to make a new rotation. Mostly likely a lot of PbP and BoF. CSII is gone. BoF was given 53 and CSII with ING II only gave 35. I would to the Progress first the quality second if you are not sure. better an nq than breaking it. my Stats are 398/393/395 at the time of making it with food.
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j3...ps78661f1e.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j3...ps1a50efff.jpg

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thx for the clarification on the BOF hit number, all i needed to knwo really. its a tough thing to hq, but at the same time, it doesnt matter ifu do or not. i dont see this being better than i110, and sands drop like candy from hunts now, so these are glamour weapons. even if they are slightly better than i110, thats a lot to spend on a weapon that will become obsolete in a couple months, or obsolete if you can down t9

Is there a difference in the stats between an HQ and not, or is it just for self-satisfaction?

i think HQ is(or maybe better with full materia) like a Ilvl 100 Weapon

atma gae bolg 47 atk 31 str + 2 stats ilvl 95
crafted inferno weapon in hq: 47 atk 34 str + stats + materia slots

Nah, NQ is i75 equivalent, and unmelded HQ is the same as an actual i95 weapon like the Levi EX weapons. If you actually plan on using these as weapons, you have to have HQ.

I used 3 PbP and 4-5 BoF. But as Millen1 said you get HQ more for luck than anything else. The good thing is that, in my Inferno Claws HQ, i managed to meld 5 Critical materia for a total of +39.
You can also Meld 4 Critical +9 and 1 SkillSpeed +9.

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Originally Posted by Marih

I used 3 PbP and 4-5 BoF. But as Millen1 said you get HQ more for luck than anything else. The good thing is that, in my Inferno Claws HQ, i managed to meld 5 Critical materia for a total of +39.
You can also Meld 4 Critical +9 and 1 SkillSpeed +9.

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4-5 BoF seems a little vague. I'm pretty sure people want exact numbers in terms of rotation and not breaking the synth.

As there are no items to test these new rotations on (BoF/3 PbP etc.) can anyone recommend the best, most recently updated crafting simulator? While i do appreciate the valuable information i would still like to test it out myself before diving in.

I find it strange that SE would increase the Difficulty for the Augmented Chest Pieces (667) even though they are still i90 but they left the difficutly the same for the new i95 weapons (445) even though they are a higher ilvl. Even stranger the i95 weapons maintain the same difficulty however progress actions dont yeild the same results as other itmes with the same difficutly rating, requiring the use of other skills like BoF or 3 PbP etc.

3 piece by piece, 2 breath of fires and a careful synthesis 2 was enough for the progress. Got kinda lucky for mine when I made it, hit every hasty touch, had enough for a waste not, and got a good for my byregot's blessing. Although this was the second attempt, I reclaimed the first attempt cos it wasn't going well.

Are the augmented chestpieces and Moogle weapons the same difficulty as normal i90 gear, or tougher like the aspected primal weapons?

i just made a garuda a few mins ago. i was going to try brand of wind, but then i thought about it. 3 pbp left me with 200 more progress to hit. so if brand is 53 progress, then 3 of those wouldnt even clinch it. meaning you use 4 more progress steps anyways. so why even use it. i just used cs2 with ing2, used 4 of them and called it a day.

one question i have though that may make brand better, is brand of wind effected by ingenuity 2? if you dont need that up, then you save 32 cp which may make it better to use, but then again, youre substituting 3 brands at 45 cp and 1 cs2, for a ing2 4 cs2 at a total of 32 cp. still seems that 4 cs2 is better. am i wrong? also, anyone that hqed, did you use the new tool? i thin kit would help, but honestly, if you miss one or two hastys max, you can kiss hq goodbye unless you get lucky with your 15% quality or w/e

i think mog blades should be easier bc they arent aspected, ill give it a shot when i get the materias

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Originally Posted by Kimura410

i just made a garuda a few mins ago. i was going to try brand of wind, but then i thought about it. 3 pbp left me with 200 more progress to hit. so if brand is 53 progress, then 3 of those wouldnt even clinch it. meaning you use 4 more progress steps anyways. so why even use it. i just used cs2 with ing2, used 4 of them and called it a day.

one question i have though that may make brand better, is brand of wind effected by ingenuity 2?

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445 -1/3 is 297
297 -1/3 is 198
198 -1/3 is 132
132 -1/3 is 88

Elemental aspects cut your synthesis moves in half. Brands are basic syntheses, that have double results when under the right aspect, negating that. Ingenuity affects them the same way it affects other syntheses. That is why you are better off starting with 4 PbP.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

445 -1/3 is 297
297 -1/3 is 198
198 -1/3 is 132
132 -1/3 is 88

Elemental aspects cut your synthesis moves in half. Brands are basic syntheses, that have double results when under the right aspect, negating that. Ingenuity affects them the same way it affects other syntheses. That is why you are better off starting with 4 PbP.

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Can you explain a little more here? Your saying 4 PbP and 3 CS2's under IG2 would be more optimal? Or are you saying 4 PbP and the Brand Abilities (1-3) ? If we were to use 4 PbP by your calculations above that would leave us with 88 progress remaining meaning 3 CSII's under IGII would finish it. Why use the brand abilities at all then?

Also do these aspected recipes cut PbP progress in half as they do the other skills? Or is PbP seperate from this issue? Perhaps thats why 4 PbP would be more optimal.

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Originally Posted by PROBOUND

Can you explain a little more here? Your saying 4 PbP and 3 CS2's under IG2 would be more optimal? Or are you saying 4 PbP and the Brand Abilities (1-3) ?

Also do these aspected recipes cut PbP progress in half as they do the other skills? Or is PbP seperate from this issue? Perhaps thats why 4 PbP would be more optimal.

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It mostly just comes down to mana cost trade offs, I've used pbp to replace brands in pretty much all aspected crafts for along time now and then finish with cs2 which is mana free, using brands typically just wastes more mana than using pbp chains until they cross and by that time you can usually just cs2 anyway

pbp is not affected by aspecting

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Originally Posted by Elasia

It mostly just comes down to mana cost trade offs, I've used pbp to replace brands in pretty much all aspected crafts for along time now and then finish with cs2 which is mana free, using brands typically just wastes more mana than using pbp chains until they cross and by that time you can usually just cs2 anyway

pbp is not affected by aspecting

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Thanks for the clarification Elasia. Would it also be beneficial to do 4 PbP on the increased difficulty (667) Augmented Chest peices? As i was told we only need 1 extra PbP for those. Would it be more beneficial to add in 2 more or would that be a waste in CP in that situation.

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Originally Posted by PROBOUND

Thanks for the clarification Elasia. Would it also be beneficial to do 4 PbP on the increased difficulty (667) Augmented Chest peices? As i was told we only need 1 extra PbP for those. Would it be more beneficial to add in 2 more or would that be a waste in CP in that situation.

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I add in one extra pbp and remove a hasty along with some ability changing for mana purposes, im not sure why they even did this one to be honest since its rather pointless... the lower qual rating negates the lost hasty, in fact you can use other techniques due to this for a guaranteed hit with all hq subs you can get pretty much

I find the aspecting of the new weapons much more interesting and should have been something they did to all 3 star... also they should have really put more oomf into aspect powers by somehow disturbing pbp's overpowering reign on them

Here is an example of how hard these new weapons can be to HQ even with all HQ matts. Also takes the prize for Luckiest 3star craft.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

I would stick with hasty spam, looking at rotations you should be able to hit it with 4xPbP, BoF, and a CS2:

CZ
IQ
SH
4xPbP

stuff

143 CP, 30 durability left
SH2 (or SH with 125 CP is OK)
ING2
INNO
GS
BB
BoF
CS2

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Can anyone confirm if: 4 PbP + 1 Brand + CSII (under IGII) completes the progress with 391 Craftmanship?

Someone mentioned 4 PbP being more optimal but most of the rotations i've seen include 3 PbP > 2 Brand abilities (Both under IGII) and 1 CSII (under IGII). Or are they essentially the same thing as they both cost 15cp?

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Originally Posted by PROBOUND

Can anyone confirm if: 4 PbP + 1 Brand + CSII (under IGII) completes the progress with 391 Craftmanship?

Someone mentioned 4 PbP being more optimal but most of the rotations i've seen include 3 PbP > 2 Brand abilities (Both under IGII) and 1 CSII (under IGII). Or are they essentially the same thing as they both cost 15cp?

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4 PbP will get you down to 88 (297 > 198 > 132 > 88).

Everything else will be half of what it is for normal 3 stars due to the fire aspect. 71 becomes 35, which means BoF will get you ~58.

You can replace a PbP with a BoF, but it's a dumb move. They cost the same CP, but BoF needs SH and INGII instead of just SH. That's the difference between being able to fit Innovation on your BB or not.