I thought the only reason why it was locked in PVP was due to the possibility to trick your enemy (e.g. lallafel PLD, Roegadyn WHM) but in Frontlines enemies are no longer Fresh Meat but "Paladins", "Warriors", "Scholars" etc.
Why is the glamour locked then? Any other reasons I'm missing?
Why is glamour locked in frontlines?
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07-13-2014, 01:53 AMGallusWhy is glamour locked in frontlines?
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07-13-2014, 01:56 AMTheUltimate3
If you see your 3 opponents running at you in a bikini, some PvP gear, and a sundress, which one would be the easier kill?
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07-13-2014, 01:57 AMGallusI don't get your point. If a PLD with the name "PALADIN" on the top of his head is dressed in Bikini I'm still not going to focus her? or him...Quote:
Originally Posted by TheUltimate3
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07-13-2014, 02:01 AMSeoulstarWell they don't call it military deception for no reason..it's like a bunch of well trained soldiers dressed up as simple merchants..and why would you attack any of the three if they're coming after you. Running away would be the logical thing here.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheUltimate3
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07-13-2014, 02:04 AMGallus
Except you cannot deceive anyone...? Every enemy of yours has its job written on the top of his head regardless his/her equipment? What are you rambling about...?
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07-13-2014, 02:09 AMSeoulstarThe person is basically saying how people attack others based on how their gear looks. Someone that looks like an ilvl100 is more of a threat than someone that appears to be an ilvl55 or something. Or attack the one that looks weakest first..which would be the ilvl55.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gallus
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07-13-2014, 02:11 AMTheUltimate3
Interesting.
The answer to that question/riddle was "I don't know", but a common thing in PvP in games such as this is that one can visually identify the relative power of an opponent based on sight. Someone coming at me in high allagan gear, I know he has some experience under his belt, but I see a guy in the highest PvP gear, I know he has more.
You can throw out military deception and all that fun stuff to justify why you should and I agree. That said, the above is generally the reason why vanity anything tends to be shut down during PvP. -
07-13-2014, 04:39 AMAmusedHilariously enough, you can't even use the highest PvP gear in frontlines because you can't use glamour and the PvP gear itself is worthless because morale doesn't work in frontlines. There is no good reason anyone can give for why glamour isn't allowed in PvP.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheUltimate3
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07-13-2014, 04:42 AMGravehillSo what about a situation where you're fighting two people of the same job?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gallus
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07-13-2014, 05:00 AMGallusThey are still going to be synced to lvl 80? What does it matter if someone's wearing CT gear or Soldiery Gear? The person who's wearing CT gear might be attempting brutal SCoB and be a flawless healer, if you want to deceive you are going to deceive anyway???Quote:
Originally Posted by Gravehill
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07-13-2014, 05:03 AMGallus
The only reason I think SE might have done this is because they might have the idea to add a nonsynced level frontlines in the future if the current frontlines is a succeess. If it is, a lot of people will be running with i100 PVP gear due to playing frontlines nonstop and reaching the PVP level cap. If that ever happens it would be reasonable not to allow glamour there, and it would be awkward at the same time to allow glamour on the ilvl 80 synced frontlines.
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07-13-2014, 06:17 AMShougunWhile I agree there is logic to deception I feel the argument isnt as apt to FFXIV since deception in every case given so far has a cost FFXIV wont care about. If you dress up in only merchant garb you've lost serious defense. If you dress up with merchant garb over your military garb you've gained extra weight. These actions have cost while FFXIV's if allowed would have none (minus maybe the cost of glamour'ing in the first place).Quote:
Originally Posted by Seoulstar
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07-13-2014, 06:20 AMSeoulstarHm..true..very true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shougun
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07-13-2014, 06:23 AMShougunYou're too amicable, I give you like. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Seoulstar
Although if you want to see OP deception, in Dark Souls 1 / 2, there is an ability to hide your left and right hand items. So OP. Perhaps there will be an ability you can learn from rogue that can add some fun pvp deception (takes up skill slot, thus balanced in some manor). -
07-13-2014, 06:47 AMDyvidBest I can figure is when Wolf Den came out it didn't have job titles. They didn't want to have players disguise themselves. I agree though since we have job titles, that really doesn't matter now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gallus
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07-13-2014, 07:54 AMRhysati
I'm assuming it's a carry-over from wolves' den stuff. Most games if you have a system that hides glamour whenever you are in PvP, simply flagging PvP on will revert you to your normal gear.
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07-13-2014, 08:09 AMAmusedThis isn't reality, it's a game in a fantasy world with that even has the word fantasy in the title! The merchant garb could be magical or enchanted in some manner for all you know. Also consider that in the Japanese version, they're called mirage prisms unlike our version where it's known as glamour prisms.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shougun
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07-13-2014, 08:18 AMRecaldy
Who zooms all the way in to correctly and quickly identify what you're opponant is wearing...among the other 5-10 plus people? I see a word I dart for/away asap. A big skirt or a bikini won't effect my decision in the slightest.
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07-13-2014, 08:57 AMDravion