glamors don't appear in frontlines?

so just tried frontlines had a lot of fun, did have one issue though my glamors didn't show up thanks to some restriction? really so glamors are restricted in frontlines, May I ask the reasoning behind this decision?

So people can take a rough guesstimate on how powerful you are by your appearance. Someone wearing the cascader's outfit is going to be a lot less effective then someone wearing full PvP armor. (bit of an extreme example, but you get the drift).

Pretty much every MMO that has some sort of vanity system does this for PvP.

Its pretty simple really, a big part of PvP is all about picking the right target and in the case of multiple similar targets such as say 2 white mages for example, you might want to take out the weakest/strongest healer first. For example, being able to view their gear is the easiest way to identify the targets potential strength such as the stronger healer wearing lvl 100 gear versus the other wearing level 70. With glamours, it would not be possible to identify factors such as this.

As stated above, this is common in just about every MMO with competitive PvP.

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Originally Posted by Fitzy

For example, being able to view their gear is the easiest way to identify the targets potential strength such as the stronger healer wearing lvl 100 gear versus the other wearing level 70. With glamours, it would not be possible to identify factors such as this.

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If you really want to push it to ridiculous levels, realise that everyone could glamour cascadier or snowman outfits or something - and then you'd be left with "oh, great, which one's even which".

It's kind of a shame because, yes, I really like my glamoured outfits - but I completely understand and agree with the need for clarity in PvP content.

Why did you have to suggest a snowman war? Because now I want to do a snowman war.

Except it's synced to i80, so in reality the i70 and i100. Person would only be 10 I levels apart. Yes it's still a difference, but much less significant of one.

It's a non-issue really. At what time where you close enough in battle where you could destinguish whom is whom, or even what they're wearing? Or at what point hasnt it been such a chaotic thing that you could see what job people are even on?

I'd actually welcome people in nothing but Snowman suits. I'd love it. The new name above their heads shows you what class/job they are now regardless.

The level sync makes this restriction more of an annoyance than anything else.

I think it's as much so you can see the role of your opponent quickly as their strength. With that many people running around it may be difficult to spot quickly from their weapon but armour stands out much more.

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Originally Posted by RaideDuku

So people can take a rough guesstimate on how powerful you are by your appearance. Someone wearing the cascader's outfit is going to be a lot less effective then someone wearing full PvP armor. (bit of an extreme example, but you get the drift).

Pretty much every MMO that has some sort of vanity system does this for PvP.

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That's only relevant for 4v4 arena. In frontlines, Morale stat does not have effect and your gear is synced to i80, hence PvP items are completely useless. Your class name is displayed on your head.

Please allow glamours in Frontlines^^.

There's no reason not to have them.
Everyone's name plate state their job/class on their head in bright, beautiful colours.

Glamour should be allowed. Saying it would be hard to identify classes is ridiculous because the classes can easily be identified based upon what weapon they're using and what animations they have. On top of that it says what they are above their head. There is no excuse why glamour is not allowed and after hearing that it isn't, I have one less reason to participate in Frontlines. It's bad enough I can't play with my friends and family. Now I can't play as my character either? I'm forced to wear the appearance of equipment that I think looks terrible? Thanks SE.

ITT: pvp noobs

literally complaining just to complain.

I understand the rationale. If everyone is going in with snowman suits and then stacks together, I would bet that you would have people screaming for glamours not to be allowed.

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Originally Posted by Daenerys_Sedai

I understand the rationale. If everyone is going in with snowman suits and then stacks together, I would bet that you would have people screaming for glamours not to be allowed.

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If everyone stacks together you're going to have a hard time picking people out anyway.

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Originally Posted by Daenerys_Sedai

I understand the rationale. If everyone is going in with snowman suits and then stacks together, I would bet that you would have people screaming for glamours not to be allowed.

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You can't see people's gear when they stack reguardless of whether or not they're a snowman^^.
All about that fancy little nameplate that says all you need to kno~

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Originally Posted by RaideDuku

So people can take a rough guesstimate on how powerful you are by your appearance. Someone wearing the cascader's outfit is going to be a lot less effective then someone wearing full PvP armor. (bit of an extreme example, but you get the drift).

Pretty much every MMO that has some sort of vanity system does this for PvP.

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^^^^ A large % of being a good pvper is knowing the appearance of various tiers of gear to be able to gauge your opponents power at a glance.

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Originally Posted by Meeep

All about that fancy little nameplate that says all you need to kno~

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Since you don't pvp... read above. Class has much less relevance than gear.

-Decently geared dps walks up

Fresh 50 whm

Fresh 50 blm

-you should kill the blm 1st. This healer will not have the power to stop you if your decently geared.

-Decently geared dps walks up

Fresh 50 whm

mid geared BLM

-you should kill the whm and ignore the blm. He will hurt but he will take too long to kill compared to wiping out the whm in a quick rush

-Decently geared dps walks up

decked out 50 whm

decked out 50 blm

-you should send 1 person after the blm to keep them occupied and send everyone else to blitz the whm.. His regens alone will be an issue.

It's synced down to 80 already. The possibility of encountering someone who would be an easy target because of their gear is incredibly low.

On top of that, gear is not the only factor in PvP. The person with less gear could be a substantially better player that the one(s) that do have gear.

Also, to claim that class has less relevance than gear is ridiculous. Class dictates your entire tool set whereas gear only dictates a fraction of your numbers. Class is by far the most important identifier as it dictates the match up you'll be involved in.

But that would be beauty of Glamour. Having a wolf in disguise, so you don't know who is better geared than you would make things more interesting. Instead of going with the usual strategy, they would just be a wrench thrown into the gears of just another normal battle.

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Originally Posted by Amused

On top of that, gear is not the only factor in PvP. The person with less gear could be a substantially better player that the one(s) that do have gear.
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I really don't care how good they think they are. When I can hit them for 1500 dmg in one hit their skill isn't going to matter they will be dead before the stun ends.

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Originally Posted by Antonio_Xul

But that would be beauty of Glamour. Having a wolf in disguise, so you don't know who is better geared than you would make things more interesting. Instead of going with the usual strategy, they would just be a wrench thrown into the gears of just another normal battle.

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No it turns strategy into blind swinging and praying. There is no strategy when you don't know your opponent.

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Originally Posted by Zarzak

Class has much less relevance than gear.

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wat

Gear has nothing to do with it, we all have the same ilvl sync'd gear @~@.
We jus want glamour so it doesnt loook horrid too.

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Originally Posted by Zarzak

I really don't care how good they think they are. When I can hit them for 1500 dmg in one hit their skill isn't going to matter they will be dead before the stun ends.

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You seem awfully full of yourself. I'm certain that there are people out there who could beat you (or me) effortlessly even without having equivalent gear. There are people out there that are better than you. There are people out there who will beat you even if you have the advantage.

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Originally Posted by Zarzak

No it turns strategy into blind swinging and praying. There is no strategy when you don't know your opponent.

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Since when is using a disguise not a strategy? Just because you can't handle it and adapt to the situation doesn't invalidate it as being a strategy. I'm starting to think that you don't even know what a strategy really is and are just looking to take the easy road.

Enable Glamour in Frontlineeeeesss, pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaseee

They specifically stated when PVP was first introduced (which was the same time the glamour system was introduced) that glamours would not be displayed during PVP.

Frontlines is PVP, therefore follows the same rules.

....Duh.

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Originally Posted by Ecks007

They specifically stated when PVP was first introduced (which was the same time the glamour system was introduced) that glamours would not be displayed during PVP.

Frontlines is PVP, therefore follows the same rules.

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"* Glamours may be temporarily disabled in PvP arenas and other unique areas."

^ Temporarily disabled for three months ; ;. Please un-temporarily disable it XD

Why do we need to see your glamors in Pvp?

Could care less about your look.

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Originally Posted by Meeep

Please allow glamours in Frontlines^^.

There's no reason not to have them.
Everyone's name plate state their job/class on their head in bright, beautiful colours.

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Glamours should work in frontlines. If not, at least give all participants a GC uniform that is visible instead of Glamours. Secret World does this by having people put on a special PvP uniform for their respective sercret society when engaged in PvP events, so this would follow a similar principle.

I really hope they reverse this decision for many reasons.

The most important of which is the fact that PVP gear which was intended for PVP content in the first place is completely useless in frontlines. Morale doesn't work so you lose an entire stat. Okay. So the PVP gear you spend a while to save up for has no effect. Cool. Well, at least I can use it for glamour so I can look cool while kicking butts in frontlines. Oh, I can't, because glamour doesn't work in frontlines.

So the gear is effectively completely unusable.

Please allow glamours in frontlines since morale doesn't matter and what you see someone wearing has virtually no purpose.

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Originally Posted by Zarzak

I really don't care how good they think they are. When I can hit them for 1500 dmg in one hit their skill isn't going to matter they will be dead before the stun ends.



No it turns strategy into blind swinging and praying. There is no strategy when you don't know your opponent.

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Tricking your opponent into underestimating you is a strategy. Having glamour on to make yourself look like ilvl60 healer when you're an ilvl90+ is playing smart. Your enemy thinks you're an easy kill. When you're not. That is in fact a strategy. It's called deceiving or think of it as Military deception.

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Originally Posted by Seoulstar

Tricking your opponent into underestimating you is a strategy. Having glamour on to make yourself look like ilvl60 healer when you're an ilvl90+ is playing smart. Your enemy thinks you're an easy kill. When you're not. That is in fact a strategy. It's called deceiving or think of it as Military deception.

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Ahhh, the days where you could equip your noob gear and change it to your high level one when a fool looking for an easy prey attacked you... Hahaha.

And yes, that's strategy, and that kind of deception has been used countless times in real battles & wars (like some soldiers from army A attacking some merchants, only to find that they were trained soldiers from army B in disguise).

But nowadays many PvPers can't stand these kind of risks, so I doubt that glamours will be enabled in Frontlines.

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Originally Posted by Rjain

I really hope they reverse this decision for many reasons.

The most important of which is the fact that PVP gear which was intended for PVP content in the first place is completely useless in frontlines. Morale doesn't work so you lose an entire stat. Okay. So the PVP gear you spend a while to save up for has no effect. Cool. Well, at least I can use it for glamour so I can look cool while kicking butts in frontlines. Oh, I can't, because glamour doesn't work in frontlines.

So the gear is effectively completely unusable.

Please allow glamours in frontlines since morale doesn't matter and what you see someone wearing has virtually no purpose.

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Wow, this is a very good poin!t I hadn't even considered it since I don't have the PvP sets yet.

Why haven't they added a vanity toggle* yet? Make the vanity system more accommodating and add a toggle XD.

Could even make a silly xray glasses quest out of it using your Echo power or something.. lol (ability to toggle gained through a goofy quest).


*Toggle the vanity system on or off locally, the only effect would be personal except some people who might be hurt you weren't looking at their Colosseum Bikini instead :P

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Why haven't they added a vanity toggle* yet? Make the vanity system more accommodating and add a toggle XD.

Could even make a silly xray glasses quest out of it using your Echo power or something.. lol (ability to toggle gained through a goofy quest).


*Toggle the vanity system on or off locally, the only effect would be personal except some people who might be hurt you weren't looking at their Colosseum Bikini instead :P

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I don't agree with a vanity toggle system as it defeats the entire purpose of the vanity system in the first place.

People citing lesser-geared players as easy targets need to check this topic: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...king-gear-sets

Seeing someone wearing Myth or CT gear doesn't make them worse than someone in full High Allagan. Sometimes it makes them much better.

to let us know what job the opponents are.

imagine some FC wearing swimsuits in PvP to confuse the other team.

I happen to like that your name in Frontlines is your class/Job and that your gear is immediately obvious. This is PvP, not PvE, if you run in glamoured to look all weak and helpless then proceed to melt faces then that gives you an unfair advantage over everyone else. Same can be said if you glamour yourself in your best gear to give the appearance that killing you will take more time than it's worth given you aren't alone. And with the names replaced as they are you can't turn around and start harassing the players you kill once the battle is over.

Call it whatever derogatory term you want, but I like how they are handling it and I wouldn't want it any other way.

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Originally Posted by Gilraen

I happen to like that your name in Frontlines is your class/Job and that your gear is immediately obvious. This is PvP, not PvE, if you run in glamoured to look all weak and helpless then proceed to melt faces then that gives you an unfair advantage over everyone else. Same can be said if you glamour yourself in your best gear to give the appearance that killing you will take more time than it's worth given you aren't alone. And with the names replaced as they are you can't turn around and start harassing the players you kill once the battle is over.

Call it whatever derogatory term you want, but I like how they are handling it and I wouldn't want it any other way.

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Gear stats also give you an "unfair" advantage over everyone else, at least if you forget that you can get the same gear if you want. So the same can be said if a player wanted to be deceptive and hide behind a glamour, you could do the same too. It would be part of the strategy of "open world" PvP, as it once was.

Moreover, it was more than that. More than once that strategy was used to hunt that kind of players that always want to play with a 100% advantage, abusing of players that couldn't properly fight back against them. Say, for example, that we get a player on frontlines that always attacks people when he sees them in fresh AF gear, and runs away when he sees someone else. With glamours you could trick that player into attacking someone that would actually be a challenge for him, thus making it fair, not unfair.

And I can say more. If you see these kind of tricks as unfair, what do you think about using a player as bait to bring other players towards your party and slaughter them? That's the same kind of deception.

Keep in mind that Frontlines are somewhat open world PvP, so there's quite some things that can be done there that can't be done in arenas, and that could give you a reason to not have this glamour restriction in place.

And I don't know what to say about the harassment part :confused: I've always found that a bit childish (not directed at you, as I don't know if you do this or not), being games and all. The best fun I've had doing PvP has always been when all parties were competitive but could share a good laugh at the end -and even during the battles- without starting a ridiculous flamefest (or e-peenfest). It can be fun when you do it as a joke or as RP with close friends, but with random people it would be just foolish and disrespectful, as you wouldn't know how they would take it (or maybe you would and that would make you look even worse in my eyes).

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Originally Posted by Evangela

to let us know what job the opponents are.

imagine some FC wearing swimsuits in PvP to confuse the other team.

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Yeah, no. The FIRST thing I look for in any engagement is the tag above their head. After that, they could be an amorphous white blob for all I care, I already know what they are and what I'm going to do to them (i.e. bash their friggin' heads in). Note that even if glamour were enabled you could still tell a person's class just by looking at their weapon anyway (sch/sum and whm/blm aside - blame Squeenix for those).

There's no reason not to have glamour in Frontlines. Anyone saying otherwise is just coming up with excuses.

If anyone here has played a real pvp game or a game where they aren't too afraid to show the other player's name. Then you should know that being able to see what someone is really wearing means nothing, I played aion for awhile and you could pretty much skin every thing and you couldn't view what the gear actually was, skinned or not. If they disabled the option to view their gear you couldn't. Also with archeage you can't view the gear there either. It doesn't effect game play/skill/etc in any way.

Besides if you pick who to kill first by what they are wearing vs what class they are....please stop pvping.

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Originally Posted by Amused

I don't agree with a vanity toggle system as it defeats the entire purpose of the vanity system in the first place.

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I believe the primary purpose of the vanity system is to change the way you look because people were sick of Darklight (and mismatched gear). Therefore I'd disagree that adding a toggle ruins the primary purpose of vanity, perhaps a secondary reason, but a compromise wouldn't be so bad right? Both parties get a portion of what they want with a system like that. More or less I see what is proposed here, or at least by some, is a "my way or the highway". Correct me if I'm wrong.

I'd rather not see pvp include glamour if there isn't a function to avoid it.