Dilapidated Houses

Since people have so much gil hanging around.

What do you all think about home repair, wear and dilapidation if you will, hence the title.

Just wear and tear of the house if people don't visit it for too long, and the grass grows longer and such.

You can repair it yourself, "botanist/miner" To cut the grass and miner to destroy the rocks and such people toss in your yard.

And the rest for the rest, i.e repairs, cleaning lawn furniture and such.

You could use dark matter to repair yourself, or you can hire someone, a fellow player, to do it for you.

Also it would affect the inside as well, not just the outside.

This may sound silly at first but give it some real thought, before you reply and you might see what I'm trying to sell here.

I think you're trying to sell a bad deal. I, personally, don't have 'so much gil hanging around', but I have a house. I don't want it to deteriorate because I can't sit on top of it all day, every day, making meaningless gil sink repairs.

The cost is not decided yet, but it would be enough to stimulate the economy.

Also I hope that you wouldn't be the only one pitching money in, it would be an FC thing. Not flawless but not horrible either in my humble opinion.

How is giving money away stimulating the economy? IMO getting money from npc's from quests and mob drops is stimulation because it adds gil. Things like gear repair, teleport fees, market tax is unhelpful because it removes gil completely. The less gil I have the less im willing to pay for crafted materials.

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Originally Posted by bardaboo

How is giving money away stimulating the economy? IMO getting money from npc's from quests and mob drops is stimulation because it adds gil. Things like gear repair, teleport fees, market tax is unhelpful because it removes gil completely. The less gil I have the less im willing to pay for crafted materials.

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I won't explain, but just because I don't want it to go too off topic.

I'm getting a big fat "NO" from Bardaboo, and that is fine. But just elaborate, or pitch in how it could be refined.

Is the core idea a good one?

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Originally Posted by Meshico

...Just wear and tear of the house if people don't visit it for too long, and the grass grows longer and such. ....

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I recall the system will destroy your house and takeaway your land if people don't visit it for 35day,
there would be no land for the grass to grow....^^;

I'm afraid I think this would be a waste of development time for something very, very few people would enjoy.

It would be a gil sink that gives the player nothing. Other gil sinks give a service or an item, like teleports or mounts or houses, but this doesn't contribute to fun or lore or gear or anything, it only makes something you already own (the house) worse by adding in a chore and costing money.

I appreciate you probably want to add immersion and take gil out of the economy, but this isn't the way to do it.

This would have been a good idea if houses didn't cost texa$ to buy in the first place, and might have been a nice alternative to the big up front cost.

The way the system is set up now, it doesn't make much sense to suck even more gil away from players.

Good point guys, how about a option to see a dilapidated house, and you can pay to make it look different? Is that a better option?

But I see all of your points. I also realize that there is already many many options to make your house stand out. This would simply be another one, maybe something that is crafted? i.e. crafted spider-webs and such?

Would also be very useful for Holloween and such?

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Originally Posted by Meshico

...To cut the grass...

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If you are looking for immersion, you can come over to my house and cosplay a BLM while mowing my lawn.

There's a game called Animal Crossing that lets you upkeep your town and it turns to crap if you don't maintain it often. Go try that.

the only novus that doesn't cost a min of 6 mil is a whm's; every dps will be using criticla hit, thats 300k for stage 2, 600k for stage3 and 3mil + for stage 4 assuming 0 brakes. so for crit alone, with 1 fail stage 3 +, thats 4mil gil. add in determination if your a job that uses that and your at 9+ mil. you can buy a small fc house for the cost of a novus, why would players wan't to spend their gil repair someone else house for them, when that player is to lazy to upkeep their house? what benefit would it have outside of helping the lazy?

This is about as funny as stapling your eyelids open. If you’re trying to crack a joke, then stop.

Please.

The very idea of stimulating an economy is to inject money to promote purchasing goods or services. A gil sink like what the OP is suggesting is something that destroys gil (no player gets it) and is therefore the exact opposite of a form of stimulation.

I support this in a way to show FCs that have not been active. As in no members logging in over months of time. However, I really don't like the idea of living in a run down neighborhood and/or having an eyesore next door.

I have to see Detroit too often in real life, I don't want to see it in game as well. No to this idea.

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Originally Posted by Urielparadox

the only novus that doesn't cost a min of 6 mil is a whm's...

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FYI - I read from healers' forum, most WHM prefer crit as well ^^;

A big resounding "NO" it seems. Well I of course liked the idea, but won't go no where if no one likes it. I do appreciate the feedback, at least the ones that gave real answers. To the others... __________.

I've played a game where you could have personal housing and even set up play ran cities. Both of those required an upkeep cost as a way to funnel funds out of the game. The cost of buying them though was far, far lower than it is in FFXIV. Even with that, the main problem that came up was people felt as though they were locked in to the game and couldn't take a break. If things happened in real life that prevented them from playing, they could lose everything. With that in mind, the costs and penalties for not maintaining the structures eventually got reduced to the point where it became meaningless.

For something like this to work, the initial purchase amounts would need to be 50% at best of what they are now. I'd actually suggest only 25% of their current value would be needed in order for the system to work. Then you would need to establish either a weekly or monthly amount that needed to be paid. This amount would need to be automatically deducted from the Free Company's funds. As you point out, this is supposed to be a group effort but there is nothing to compel members to donate to these funds. To address that, you'd need to either have an option at the FC Leader level where they could "tax" the amount of gil that a player has coming in, or have a new Company Action where a bonus 10%/20% of all gil earned was donated to the Free Company. Even after adding all of this, you still will have yet to address the main question; what value does something like this bring to the Free Company Housing system?

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Originally Posted by Meshico

I won't explain, but just because I don't want it to go too off topic.

I'm getting a big fat "NO" from Bardaboo, and that is fine. But just elaborate, or pitch in how it could be refined.

Is the core idea a good one?

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No, the core idea is an awful one. I personally don't have a big FC, it is literally just me. I got the FC signatures and leveled it to rank 6 (now 8) by myself so that I could buy a house and something that had wear costs enough that an entire FC would need to chip in would essentially mean I would have to work full time simply making gil and not playing the game for fun. Your idea would mean having to turn this game into a job just to sustain the property. It sucks enough to have to do that in reality, having to do it in the game would be awful.

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Originally Posted by Skyy

No, the core idea is an awful one. I personally don't have a big FC, it is literally just me. I got the FC signatures and leveled it to rank 6 (now 8) by myself so that I could buy a house and something that had wear costs enough that an entire FC would need to chip in would essentially mean I would have to work full time simply making gil and not playing the game for fun. Your idea would mean having to turn this game into a job just to sustain the property. It sucks enough to have to do that in reality, having to do it in the game would be awful.

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Your problem is that you invested into a group-oriented feature and expecting the same treatment deliberately playing solo. Just because the game lets you do that doesn't mean it's obliged to cater specifically to tiny FCs (even if they will, apart from disuse appropriation)

Having said that, don't think upkeep is the right system to use to siphon money from the economy being half a year since release, and especially since housing is so functionally useless. Even gardening is a pain considering how much you have to baby those plants to get them to crossbreed reliably. Now if they implemented actual perks to having a house, if that airship lab or choco stable ends up being actually useful, or hell a weekly payment for an automatic sprinkler system for the gardens, I wouldn't mind paying upkeep at all. Even if I'm the only person in my FC that actively messes around with the house.

I think I invested into a feature that is designed perfectly for what I expected. Your problem is that you're trying to change a game feature that doesn't need changing.

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Originally Posted by Skyy

I think I invested into a feature that is designed perfectly for what I expected. Your problem is that you're trying to change a game feature that doesn't need changing.

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If you want to turn this into another "I want to have my solo FC cake and eat it too," go right ahead. I don't particularly care for housing upkeep fees either, and I explained why. Unlike you, my reasons don't include being in a solo FC.

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Originally Posted by Jeykama

If you want to turn this into another "I want to have my solo FC cake and eat it too," go right ahead. I don't particularly care for housing upkeep fees either, and I explained why. Unlike you, my reasons don't include being in a solo FC.

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I don't think you understand...

I'm saying I think things are fine the way they are. You're making it seem like I want to change things to suit the fact that I'm solo. No. I am happy with the way things are as it suits both my style and large group styles and the proposed changes are bad and not necessary.

Well OP I agree with the general idea of the look of the house, no so much about the fees, upkeep mostly because that wouldn't stimulate the economy that would just remove gil from the system making a gil sink after they worked so hard to introduce more gil in. But it would be kinda cool for one of the Mansion's in the housing district to look worn out almost haunting on the outside. But I think it would be best having it the other way where people could buy/make the cosmetic pieces to make their house like Dilapidated. So it looks kinda like Hakkue Manor walk up I think some people would enjoy that. This issue with that is eventually you come to the idea to expand on that and some ideas would be massive eye sores to some (and intentional by the trolls) Like a gaint colibri house for the blinding bright pink. Or you can go the other direction with decoration house changes but then some one will ahve christmas tree in their yard till august...