Here me out new healer class idea

I was thinking of a new healer class

Alchemist!

Make it a battle class

Have it heal through making potions, elixirs, mega potions, Phoenix downs, etc etc. It would be new and exciting. Craft potions to use on party members, yeah it could be tough if the alchemist isn't prepared but it would be fun and challenging.


Let me hear your thoughts.

who would pay all the consumables? the alchemist himself? not very fair

Yeah if they make them easier to get yes

Maybe the gun class could fire these healing items like bullets to their target ?

I honestly don't see why Ninja couldn't have an alt healing class. If they have Offensive ninjutsu, they could easily be given healing ninjutsu.

It's kind of off the rails as far as Final Fantasy lore goes, But they already did a rewrite for the Scholar, and could do the same here. I have no idea what the class would be called though.

It's unlikely for a chemist class to emerge unless those "potions" and "panacea" they use for heals are turned in to actual skills independent of items. Yoshida himself said in the E3 video that Ninjas would never have throwing weapons like shuriken (despite them traditionally using the "THROW" skill). Maintaining the items in your inventory is an additional cost the developers don't want to force on the players.

There's a possibility for a healing job for the rogue, but it is also the most likely to become an evade tank. I doubt there will be a healing ninjutsu though as it does break from the lore and may step on some IP issues in Japan. I would personally like a dancer with the healer role, but I'd honestly be fine with whatever.

That’s absolutely crazy. Do you know how expensive it would be to keep a well-stocked inventory of healing items with you at all times? For new players, money is already something that is hard to come by. If their entire job revolves around using in game items to play their role properly, then they wouldn’t be able to progress when they run out of money.

About 50-100 heals are thrown in a typical dungeon run. Say a potion costs about 50 gil to acquire.

50 X 100 = 5000 gil per run

Have fun...

Time Mage: bring back time and restore allies wound.
As well as.. haste, slow, gravity (damage) etc..
We need a healer who can manipulate dimention and time ;)

I will not here you out... Frankly, because I have no idea what that means... Hearing you out is another matter. Alchemist is a disciple of the hand, and as such, will not be a battle class. Chemist could be a fun job, but i agree that one's 'potions' will need to be independent from inventory. It wouldn't make much sense or be a very practical implementation otherwise. Maybe tp based heals? What of pros/cons? Balancing?

Personally, I can't really see how this would work.

They could make it like FFX-2's alchemist. She uses potions "tucked away" for basic healing.

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Originally Posted by Yuki_Tokita

That’s absolutely crazy. Do you know how expensive it would be to keep a well-stocked inventory of healing items with you at all times?

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My original answer to this concern was to say, have abilities be summoning whatever components you need, but they'd be temporary items that disappear when you log out or untradeable. But if you're going to go to so much trouble, why not just develop healing abilities, but I don't think that's the idea here...

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Originally Posted by AngelicSence

Time Mage: bring back time and restore allies wound.
As well as.. haste, slow, gravity (damage) etc..
We need a healer who can manipulate dimention and time ;)

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This would be amazing!

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Originally Posted by Gamma621

It's kind of off the rails as far as Final Fantasy lore goes, But they already did a rewrite for the Scholar, and could do the same here. I have no idea what the class would be called though.

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Actually SCH has been pretty spot on compared to lore of other games. SCH is intended to be a war strategist (Lore says the diagrams in it's books are actually strategies, plus reading the final quests show that the SCH of the past were strategists that came down with a sickness that decayed them into Tonberry), which is exactly what it was in FFXI during the Crystal Wars. FFXI's SCH had the power to enhance it's White Magic and Black Magic using the white/black books and because SCH has access to ACN attack spells and it's own curative spells, it's safe to say SCH in 14 is still the White/Black mage we've known and loved.

Then look at FF3. Although it was fairly useless, it did help for one boss fight to determine it's constantly changing elemental weakness (using strategy) and used books as it's weapon of choice

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Originally Posted by AngelicSence

Time Mage: bring back time and restore allies wound.
As well as.. haste, slow, gravity (damage) etc..
We need a healer who can manipulate dimention and time ;)

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^This. Had a very similar idea about Time Mage.

The only difference in my idea was that TiM was alot of supports, no attacking power whatsoever. a 'party animal' only that could do nothing without a party.

|The Alchemist idea would work well, just have it so they don't consume the item as a trait.
For more specific skills e.g dps etc use consume grenade ash, shard, etc.

The time healer would work, by disguising general healing skills as reverse, warp, and you can have the DPS skills as demi or other gravity inspired skills.

RED MAGE


that is all

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Previous FF classes not currently in game, with notes about healing potential:

Melee/physical
Samurai
Thief (announced coming soon)
Ninja (announced coming soon)
Dark night
Hunter (possibly current archer)
Viking
Berserker
Mystic Night (Could possibly morph into "Melee healer")
Onion Knight (had healing potential in FF3)
Machinist
Freelancer
Gunner

Magic:

Devout (possible healer, progression of WHM)
Magus
Time Mage (possibly some healing potential as mention by previous post)
green mage (possible healing, but more likely a magic version of current bard)
Sage (possible healing)

Hybrids:
Red Mage (possible healer)
Blue mage (would be badass, but to do it right it would be OP)
Geomancer (could heal depending on environment)
Beastmaster (possibly if catching healing pets, fun idea)
Dancer (healing possibilities, but to much like bard)
Gambler
Mime
Memorist

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Originally Posted by Sanguisio

|The Alchemist idea would work well, just have it so they don't consume the item as a trait.
For more specific skills e.g dps etc use consume grenade ash, shard, etc.

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This is what I was thinking. Alchemists have been known to have the "Stock" ability, which allows them to use several types of potions without consuming them.

If Time Mage became a healer branching off from the Thaumaturge line, I'm curious how it would utilize the Astral Fire, and Umbral Ice system. I suppose it could use the same principle, where heals would become much more potent with fire but cost way more MP. This means they would have to be using attack spells to set up heals/regenerate mp, which could be interesting.

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Originally Posted by Gamma621

If Time Mage became a healer branching off from the Thaumaturge line, I'm curious how it would utilize the Astral Fire, and Umbral Ice system. I suppose it could use the same principle, where heals would become much more potent with fire but cost way more MP. This means they would have to be using attack spells to set up heals/regenerate mp, which could be interesting.

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Like you said they could make cures more powerful with more stacks of fire. Or they could make Fire make Regens AoE and single target cures stronger and then Ice would reverse that so Ice would be single target regens and AoE cures.

Because there is a limit to the chars on this forum.


But I doubt they would be able to add a healer job to any current class that isn't already a healer for the simple fact that they wouldn't be able to do low level roulette as a healer pre-30. If you look at the current classes that lead to healers both are capable of healing (without cross class skills) before 30. THM can't heal so if they made Time Mage a healer it wouldn't be able to cure unless they made the actual fire spells cure when cast on PCs.

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Originally Posted by Yonko

Because there is a limit to the chars on this forum.


But I doubt they would be able to add a healer job to any current class that isn't already a healer for the simple fact that they wouldn't be able to do low level roulette as a healer pre-30. If you look at the current classes that lead to healers both are capable of healing (without cross class skills) before 30. THM can't heal so if they made Time Mage a healer it wouldn't be able to cure unless they made the actual fire spells cure when cast on PCs.

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Even though Arcanists are capable of healing, they can't roulette as a healer either. They are forced to queue as a DPS until they unlock SCH at 30. And since Time mage would require leveling CNJ, it would have the cross class skills that it needs.

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Originally Posted by Gamma621

Even though Arcanists are capable of healing, they can't roulette as a healer either. They are forced to queue as a DPS until they unlock SCH at 30. And since Time mage would require leveling CNJ, it would have the cross class skills that it needs.

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yes but once you get sch you can queue as a healer and you could heal with just the ACN skills. (ie physick) You do get a fairy to help but you can heal pre 30 without a fairy. Proof of this is I've trioed the early dungeons as a ACN healer when the CNJ DCed and we couldn't get anyone else.

a THM currently has nothing pre-30 capable of healing. So unless equiping the job stone made fire/bliz heal people they could not queue as a healer and cure in pre-30 dungeons. And requiring cross class skills is not the answer since each job should stand alone or you will just end up with what happened in FFXI where SMN with no cure spells was one of the most desired healers cause they could go /WHM.

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Originally Posted by Yonko

yes but once you get sch you can queue as a healer and you could heal with just the ACN skills. (ie physick) You do get a fairy to help but you can heal pre 30 without a fairy. Proof of this is I've trioed the early dungeons as a ACN healer when the CNJ DCed and we couldn't get anyone else.

a THM currently has nothing pre-30 capable of healing. So unless equiping the job stone made fire/bliz heal people they could not queue as a healer and cure in pre-30 dungeons. And requiring cross class skills is not the answer since each job should stand alone or you will just end up with what happened in FFXI where SMN with no cure spells was one of the most desired healers cause they could go /WHM.

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I don't understand why ARC having Physick makes it a more viable healer than THM, or any other class for that matter. Sure it saves you a Cross Class skill slot, but it's not a deal breaker.

Time Mage Would Require THM 30, and CNJ 15. By the time you reach CNJ 15, you have already unlocked Cure, Protect, and Raise for use on your THM. This is everything you need to heal a low level dungeon. You might not have a cleanse move, but neither does ARC. Hell, I could heal a low level dungeon on my Lancer if I really wanted to.

Anything above level 30 would be added by the job abilities, and since the level cap will probably be raised by then, they'll have a more variety of skills to add to their arsenal.

Because ACN can heal and DPS at the same time.

THMs either dps or heal at early levels.

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Because ACN can heal. Full stop. They don't need another class first they don't need a cross class skill. an ACN can heal a low level dungeon. (not queue as it but could heal it). A THM can't do that. So a Time mage doing low level roulette where you only have potentially 1 cross class skill is required to use that in order to do your job. No other job in this game is set up in such a way. It is a bad concept and really not something that SE should do.

I really doubt they will since they hated how SMN was used in FFXI as a massive MP battery with /whm. For awhile a SMN in FFXI never really got to use there job skills they only got to use the things from /whm (cure spells). Your suggesting that we recreate that broken mechanic in FFXIV rather than introduce a new class.

I'll say again I don't really see how they can add another healer job with the current classes without adding it off CNJ.

I actually had a not-quite-so-serious conversation about this with my party last night, spun off of Teamspeak cutting off the first syllable of alchemist so it became chemist. Which spawned the (somewhat unlikely) combination of CNJ+ALC for Chemist. Sure, keeping items on hand would be awkward on inventory, but since there'd be Conjurer healing skills as well, they wouldn't be completely dependent on it. Might have traits or CDs that reduce cooldown on items, maybe even CDs that remove the cooldown completely for a short while. Maybe boost medicine duration. Give range to potion use. Stuff like that. It could be an interesting twist on the healing thing, but not something I'm jumping up and down for them to create.

(Though it would be nice with another healing profession based on Conjurer for those improved Protects and Stoneskins. Unless that's one of the core mechanics of White Mage that shouldn't be shared with other jobs.)

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Originally Posted by Noxifer

Sure, keeping items on hand would be awkward on inventory

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Yoshi has said several times that there will never be a class that requires reagents to activate abilities. Consumables are a purely optional aspect of the game and will never be required, mainly because requiring a non-renewable resource that can only be refreshed with the explicit expenditure of tangible resources (re: gil) is basically screwing over said class (since everyone else performs with infinitely rechargeable resources). Even if you wanted to argue that its heals could be strengthened to "make up" for the fact that they require an additional resource, you then get into the realm of "pay to win" insofar as anyone that is willing to throw out craploads of gil is going to be able to outperform any other healer class/job due to said benefit.

Economic costs and benefits applied to combat classes are not effective or balanced.

The only way for there to be a Alchemist DoW/M variant would be to have it create "short term" potions that, from a lore standpoint, are quickly made but become ineffective/destabilize almost immediately after being crafted. In effect, the "potions" and "consumables" they are creating/using are simply traditional heals/spells given a different paint job. It does, of course, create some problems insofar as how you would explain how you never run out of said crafting components (especially when you're going to be fighting in all manner of different terrains), but you could just handwave that by saying that they're "aetheric" components that you can pull out of anything (which could also be used to explain the ephemeral nature of the completed potions).

Yoshi-P has already said they will never make a class that uses consumable items for their abilities like Ranger or Ninja from XI.

So sorry, but it aint gunna happen.

OMG remember in XI as THF, NIN, COR, RNG etc..... the constant need for things to throw and pew pew was ridiculous. Not to mention the crafting system to make said items....

I think it could be implemented as items that are just class specific. Maybe have relation to your gears durability, as an off hand item, a great big, bottomless grab bag of "things". The more you lvl, the more stuff you have access to and can make....the less your durability the less of these "things" you can make.

Meh, idk.

Syn

I have been thinking that alchemist should be a combat class. Similar reasons as this. But I'd see it more of a mix of both offense(DoTs or some sort of elemental pots), heal, debuff(paralysis and other pots) and buff(short term buffs to players).

The way I see it I'd go thm as second. And they would gain access to an "aetheric bubble" of some sort that would allow them to have as it where an "infinite stock" of pots - and they would consume MP to access that bubble.

If they changed alchemist to a Disciple of War, they would need to change the name to "Chemist" for continuity's sake. I honestly don't understand why they didn't name it that as a Disciple of the Hand in the first place..