Please Make Players Immune To Heavy When Mounted

While I can understand enemies inflicting heavy on characters during battle, I cannot fathom the purpose of having enemies inflict heavy on mounted characters. Getting hit by heavy while traveling from one point to another is annoying and a waste of a player's time. It gets especially annoying when one gets hit by multiple instances of heavy (which refreshes the debuff timer) while moving through an area. I do not see how this adds value to the game.

Please consider making players immune to heavy while mounted.

No it's one of the ways they can make you have to pay attention to the world. I'd also be for buffing mob movement speed.

Not going to happen. The debuff can only be applied when using the mount command. It does not come into play when riding one of the chocobo's you get from the Chocobo Porters, as those are untargetable by Enemies. The thing you have to realize is that this is working as intended. The Developers want you to get off your chocobo/mount and kill the mob when you get targeted by them. That was the entire reason they installed the feature to allow you to activate your mount while your companion is out.

EDIT: Kerberon, your sig is freaking me out. The Angels are still the only thing that gives me nightmares when I watch Doctor Who.

Heavy is SE's failed way of making us feel that there is a challenge in the oudoors. Its obviously simply an annoyance which I deal with by standing until heavy is gone and then go my way. I don't even bother esuna-ing it anymore.

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Originally Posted by AiChyan

Heavy is SE's failed way of making us feel that there is a challenge in the oudoors.

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Would you prefer being outright killed in a game with no Reraise? Or having to dismount and kill the enemy for every single one you aggro? Do you really think the majority of people are going to prefer the annoyance of dying while trying to do dailies, to getting hit with heavy?

Only thing I'd wish they'd do is give the Heavy effect while mounted diminishing returns.... Heavy is about to wear off, you get hit with it again for the full duration... Seriously, that's the only aspect of it that annoys me. I actually quite like it otherwise, it's enough of a annoyance that I'll attempt to avoid aggro completely, but not so punishing that it becomes too annoying.

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Originally Posted by Boon_Pendragon

While I can understand enemies inflicting heavy on characters during battle, I cannot fathom the purpose of having enemies inflict heavy on mounted characters. Getting hit by heavy while traveling from one point to another is annoying and a waste of a player's time. It gets especially annoying when one gets hit by multiple instances of heavy (which refreshes the debuff timer) while moving through an area. I do not see how this adds value to the game.

Please consider making players immune to heavy while mounted.

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Having a chance to be hit with heavy when mounted was put there intentionally.

Same as the chance to be dazed+dismounted when taking a hit while mounted in WoW.

Same as auto-dismount when hit in TERA.

Same as the chance to auto dismount your space scooter (technically it blew up, and you were knocked down leaving you open to a classic stomping-out as if you were green lantern fighting darksied in JL: war) when hit in SWtOR.

Don't even bother asking for that. It has been a thing in mmos for nearly 10 years.

It's so mobs can continue to be some sort of threat to the player instead of magically skipping by everything in the world because you're on horse-bird-scooter-bipedalmecha-back.

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Originally Posted by Boon_Pendragon

While I can understand enemies inflicting heavy on characters during battle, I cannot fathom the purpose of having enemies inflict heavy on mounted characters. Getting hit by heavy while traveling from one point to another is annoying and a waste of a player's time. It gets especially annoying when one gets hit by multiple instances of heavy (which refreshes the debuff timer) while moving through an area. I do not see how this adds value to the game.

Please consider making players immune to heavy while mounted.

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You are aware that you don't get heavied if you aren't mounted right? This was an intention obviously. But if you prefer instant death while mounted, then maybe SE will add that since you believe heavy doesn't add a challenge and it still doesn't make you attack mobs (that you are trying to skip).

It was actually in 1.0 too, but then it made sense as it was actually not heavy you were hit with, but an equivalent status called 'Lamed', as in, your chocobo was injured by the attack and would only move slowly (dismounting canceled the effect). Presumably due to the wider variety of mounts in 1.0, including mechanical ones (ala, magitek armour, the bomb palanquin), SE must have thought it wouldn't make sense any more calling it 'lamed' and so just changed it to the generic heavy. But yes, it has a reason to give a reason to actually be careful when running through the world on a mount.

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Originally Posted by UBERHAXED

You are aware that you don't get heavied if you aren't mounted right? This was an intention obviously. But if you prefer instant death while mounted, then maybe SE will add that since you believe heavy doesn't add a challenge and it still doesn't make you attack mobs (that you are trying to skip).

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Except, no one here is suggesting instant death as an alternative. Because you know, that obviously wouldn't make any sense.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

It was actually in 1.0 too, but then it made sense as it was actually not heavy you were hit with, but an equivalent status called 'Lamed', as in, your chocobo was injured by the attack and would only move slowly (dismounting canceled the effect). Presumably due to the wider variety of mounts in 1.0, including mechanical ones (ala, magitek armour, the bomb palanquin), SE must have thought it wouldn't make sense any more calling it 'lamed' and so just changed it to the generic heavy. But yes, it has a reason to give a reason to actually be careful when running through the world on a mount.

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I see. Dismounting to cancel the effect is fair.

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Originally Posted by Boon_Pendragon

Except, no one here is suggesting instant death as an alternative. Because you know, that obviously wouldn't make any sense.

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Clearly the open world according to you isn't dangerous and the heavy still doesn't make you get off and attack the mobs.

I think world mobs should instead enrage and charge/stun you, then dismount you.
The heavy effect is more annoying than anything. It really doesn't penalize you in a threatening way, just an annoying way.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

Do you really think the majority of people are going to prefer the annoyance of dying while trying to do dailies, to getting hit with heavy?

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Why is it always one extreme or another in this place :p? Dailies areas aren't supposed to have deadly mobs in the first place, at least IMO. I wouldn't mind deadly mobs at areas like the Fog Fens or the outskirts of Mor Dhona, this issue here is with the debuff itself. and you see, you idea of diminishing returns would make it 10 times less annoying.
The dailies areas have mainly mobs which are under 50, and shouldn't be aggroing us at 50 with high ilvls in the first place anyway. I actually grew into the habit of gathering as many mobs as my WHM can handle and holy the hell out of them. Saves me and people around me tons of annoyance.
I'm no game designer, but I know that applying a heavy debuff isn't exactly the best idea of introducing challenge and immersion into an area.

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Originally Posted by UBERHAXED

Clearly the open world according to you isn't dangerous and the heavy still doesn't make you get off and attack the mobs.

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Yes. You are absolutely right. Heavy still does not make me get off my mount to kill the mob. But again, no one here is suggesting instant death as the alternative as you have stated. Other posters have indicated interesting alternatives to make it challenging without instantly jumping to the extreme of the alternative being instant death, which no one would suggest or want.

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Originally Posted by Boon_Pendragon

Yes. You are absolutely right. Heavy still does not make me get off my mount to kill the mob. But again, no one here is suggesting instant death as the alternative as you have stated. Other posters have indicated interesting alternatives to make it challenging without instantly jumping to the extreme of the alternative being instant death, which no one would suggest or want.

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It doesn't matter what they add. A person like you (who tries to skip them) will ignore them until they pose a threat to you. What you want are easier ways to avoid them. I'm sure if these mobs dealt 10x damage while you are mounted you would get off rather than being sniped by an archer from a mile away (which is realistic, since you are trespassing on heavily guarded territory, riding on a chicken).

You really should not be punished for riding your mount.

Whenever I enter a beastman stronghold, I get off my mount because I'm just gonna get heavy'ed constantly.

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Originally Posted by Tharian

The Developers want you to get off your chocobo/mount and kill the mob when you get targeted by them.

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Then an attack should knock the player off their mount and engage them in battle, not mildly inconvenience them on their way elsewhere.

Yes. Please make it kill the players instead.

The heavy mechanic happens only when you are mounted. If you run past the same mobs on foot, you won't get heavy. It's a percent chance when mounted.

I absolutely think this is the dumbest thing in this entire game and it should just be taken out. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense, as all it amounts to is an inconvenience to players. Forcing them to slow down or get off their mount. What good does that even do? Makes us waste time, that's what. We we have enough timesinks in the game already without this one too.

I agree, it is really annoying and we just choose to ignore the mobs anyway. The only reason to even concider mounting off would be if there's an NPC to talk to or a specific mob to kill.

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Originally Posted by Kerberon

No it's one of the ways they can make you have to pay attention to the world. I'd also be for buffing mob movement speed.

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This would be a great argument if those mobs were even a slight threat to the player but the places in which this happens is just lvl 50s being slowed down by completely irrelevant trash that wouldn't amount to being a threat even in packs.

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Originally Posted by Seif

This would be a great argument if those mobs were even a slight threat to the player but the places in which this happens is just lvl 50s being slowed down by completely irrelevant trash that wouldn't amount to being a threat even in packs.

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Ah but they don't need to kill you to make you pay attention to them. If they can make you run slightly around to avoid the aggro radius to avoid the heavy which lets you get to where you are going faster, the mechanic has done it's job.

Great I notice that it's annoying? Not really a triumph for immersion. Just annoying.

Maybe if we didn't have to spam the beastmen quests mindlessly for months to reach the cap, this wouldn't be an actual problem? Heavy is tedious BS on top of already pretty tedious BS, having fun repeating the same quests for months? Here's something to make it even more annoying!

That thing about trying to make the world dangerous and make us pay attention is stupid, heavy doesn't make anything more dangerous, it just wastes time. Plain and simple. Let's not forget you can run away from mobs even with heavy, and even off your chocobo.

The thing is, as our ilvl go up, heavy is still going to have the same effect! It's.... genius.... You're going to be running through Ixali quests at i110, and you're still going to be hit with Heavy for a full 30 second duration!

I've actually died once while trying to leave Zahar'ak because I got hit with Heavy, and then other mobs just kept on constantly refreshing it and I simply could not run away fast enough.

This was after I finished doing some daily quests. I was leaving Zahar'ak. I don't want to fight five dozen fucking mobs on the way out of that stupid place, I just want to run the hell away and leave. I'm not sequence breaking anything, I'm not going anywhere I shouldn't, I just don't want to waste my fucking time killing all these assholes all over again on the way out.

In total, I think I've been hit with Heavy status while trying to exit Zahar'ak almost every single time, and only once has it killed me because I ran through two FATEs and I was the only player in the area. Otherwise, it's just pointless. It serves no purpose other than to be annoying as hell.

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Originally Posted by Kerberon

Ah but they don't need to kill you to make you pay attention to them. If they can make you run slightly around to avoid the aggro radius to avoid the heavy which lets you get to where you are going faster, the mechanic has done it's job.

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By being flat annoying, adding no enjoyment to the game what so ever, and incentivising a player to avoid any interaction with mobs at all?

Might as well just remove the mobs altogether and just apply heavy at random intervals for no reason and save us all the processing power.

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Might as well just remove the mobs altogether and just apply heavy at random intervals for no reason and save us all the processing power.

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Yeah why not just apply a heavy buff to us when we accept a beastmen quest? I think this is more like their true intention anyway...

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Originally Posted by blowfin

Yeah why not just apply a heavy buff to us when we accept a beastmen quest? I think this is more like their true intention anyway...

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I think I have become a master of ninja'ing my way through the Sylph lands at this point.

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Originally Posted by JatohCynn

I think I have become a master of ninja'ing my way through the Sylph lands at this point.

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HOLY ALL THE THINGS :D :D :D

I really think that it's not heavy itself that is annoying. It's the fact that 99.8% of the time, heavy doesn't cause anyone to die.

How about this:
1)If a single mob casts heavy, the same mob can't cast it again for 30 seconds, but also duration is now 30 seconds.
2)Heavy can stack.
3)Heavy causes you to take more damage, increasing with each application.
4)If a mob has a heavy on you, that mob that casted it has a increased run speed to 80% of your mounted run speed.

So basically what this means is, if a single mob aggros you, it's basically the same deal as now BUT, now you have to be careful, because if they start to gang up on you, pretty soon, the attacks start hurting ALOT.

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Originally Posted by Cherie

I really think that it's not heavy itself that is annoying. It's the fact that 99.8% of the time, heavy doesn't cause anyone to die.

How about this:
1)If a single mob casts heavy, the same mob can't cast it again for 30 seconds, but also duration is now 30 seconds.
2)Heavy can stack.
3)Heavy causes you to take more damage, increasing with each application.

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Heavy actually isn't a cast, any attack can apply heavy on you while you're mounted, they can even autohit you and apply heavy that way.
I do think that they could do something with #3 I like it.
Instead of heavy they should just apply a debuff which stacks while mounted and each stack increasing the damage dealth to you by 20%, you'd think twice to just ride past a horde of mobs and it would actually bring danger back.
The debuff should apply with every hit you recieve while mounted and last 1 minute, heavy should be removed or nerfed though.

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Originally Posted by Atreides

Heavy actually isn't a cast, any attack can apply heavy on you while you're mounted, they can even autohit you and apply heavy that way.
I do think that they could do something with #3 I like it.
Instead of heavy they should just apply a debuff which stacks while mounted and each stack increasing the damage dealth to you by 20%, you'd think twice to just ride past a horde of mobs and it would actually bring danger back.

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I believe it is a random chance on any attack that hits you in the rear.

Not sure if it's ever been confirmed as such but I don't recall ever getting it unless I'm getting hit in the ass with a fireball or lighting bolt.

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Originally Posted by Atreides

Heavy actually isn't a cast, any attack can apply heavy on you while you're mounted, they can even autohit you and apply heavy that way.
I do think that they could do something with #3 I like it.
Instead of heavy they should just apply a debuff which stacks while mounted and each stack increasing the damage dealth to you by 20%, you'd think twice to just ride past a horde of mobs and it would actually bring danger back.

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Yea, I am up for anything really that makes the situation more dangerous. And me saying "cast" was really just a throwback to older MMOs where everything, even a punch might get called a "cast". I probably should have said "use" instead. Just bad "slang" on my part, like how people calling their characters "toons" makes some players cringe with rage.... lol Pretty sure there was a game where characters were actually called "toons"... Was it City of Heroes maybe?

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Yea, I am up for anything really that makes the situation more dangerous.

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Personally, I don't see any reason why mobs 30-50 ilvls below our characters should pose any threat whatsoever, but maybe that's just me being sensible?

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Originally Posted by blowfin

Personally, I don't see any reason why mobs 30-50 ilvls below our characters should pose any threat whatsoever, but maybe that's just me being sensible?

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Sure, if want you can add that on to the list of stuff this thread is making.

Rule 5)Lower level mobs that apply heavy to player can miss if mob is 10 levels or more below player.

I'm all for being sensible! :P

I personally think that the many times I run through mobs that are remotely my level, they should pose some/any threat (If they are way below, they can be buzzing flies, I don't think anyone is debating that)... if they want to be annoying with heavy (and are close to my level), that it is more than just a fly buzzing in my ear... What I don't think is they should be super powerful or anything, just, I think it should require me to put my drink down, stop typing to my friends and focus for a second.

Monsters should aggro you according to your item level. If you're item level 90 and you get aggro, you're in trouble and that's better than just being Heavy'd.

If players will be immune to heavy, I just will think about hordes of level 1 players running around all maps to unlock aetherites.
/notsigned

"Please consider making players immune to [insert random thing that is bothering you] "

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Heavy while mounted is missing something in ARR
I think the mounted character should also be forced dismounted the moment the heavy penalty hit him the third time.
And add to heavy also a defence decrease

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Originally Posted by Umbranox

Monsters should aggro you according to your item level. If you're item level 90 and you get aggro, you're in trouble and that's better than just being Heavy'd.

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Should have zero to do with iLevel at all. The aggro rules are fine as they are by level, the fact is that Heavy is a cheap mechanic that should be dropped. It serves no real purpose in the game other than to cause frustration to players. It's a now worthless ability that once served a purpose in FFXI where parties used to cast Gravity on mobs to reduce the risks of them running off at low health and bringing reinforcements back.