Right back to FFXI

I had hoped this update would be awesome, but it isn't shaping up to be anything like that. I'm disappointed that group-only content was added and the community quickly expresses their latent exclusiveness held over from FFXI. Nobody does anything outside their LS, or invites anybody outside their LS, and nobody has any openly recruiting linkshells, so anybody in a small LS or completely without one is screwed out of content and the ability to continue through the Grand Companies line of quests.

Worst of all, is that I can't even seek. I have to repeatedly shout, which I'm sure annoys everybody.

I can't imagine how this game will ever pull off a grand re-opening with this cold-shoulder culture.

Selbina is full of JPs.

But sorry you had such a bad time. Don't let door hit you on the way out^^

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Originally Posted by Rau

Selbina is full of JPs.

But sorry you had such a bad time. Don't let door hit you on the way out^^

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Rauuuu log off so i can log in! ;-;

Um, the content is brand new and nobody has done it yet.

You expect people to bother with pick-up groups right off the bat? LSs have been planning for this night for months.

Sorry you aren't outgoing enough to look for a decent LS. SE can't help you there, unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by Rau

Selbina is full of JPs.

But sorry you had such a bad time. Don't let door hit you on the way out^^

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things like this are the exact reason people talk about how bad the community is.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

things like this are the exact reason people talk about how bad the community is.

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No, overly dramatic OPs who threaten to quit at the drop of a hat and leave their drama calling card on the forums every time are exactly why the community is like this.

If all these 'this game isn't my dreams riding on a magical pony so I drama now' posts were threatening to jump I'd probably be greasing the ledge right now.

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Originally Posted by Rau

Selbina is full of JPs.

But sorry you had such a bad time. Don't let door hit you on the way out^^

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wow, thanks for making the ff14 community look like condescending brats.

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

Um, the content is brand new and nobody has done it yet.

You expect people to bother with pick-up groups right off the bat? LSs have been planning for this night for months.

Sorry you aren't outgoing enough to look for a decent LS. SE can't help you there, unfortunately.

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Actually, given that SE designed the game and many of the lackluster systems it uses, they could directly 'help him there.' Besides, if people don't start wanting to play, then the game is going to die. ... Then again, with ToR and BLizzards next MMO on the horizon, it might just be to late anyways. SE might be able to recover their sunk costs, I guess... but I have a hard time seeing this becoming profitable. =(

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Originally Posted by lun4tic

I had hoped this update would be awesome, but it isn't shaping up to be anything like that. I'm disappointed that group-only content was added and the community quickly expresses their latent exclusiveness held over from FFXI. Nobody does anything outside their LS, or invites anybody outside their LS, and nobody has any openly recruiting linkshells, so anybody in a small LS or completely without one is screwed out of content and the ability to continue through the Grand Companies line of quests.

Worst of all, is that I can't even seek. I have to repeatedly shout, which I'm sure annoys everybody.

I can't imagine how this game will ever pull off a grand re-opening with this cold-shoulder culture.

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you can't seek? Have you even looked at the patch notes? [Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XIV FORUM Guidelines.]

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Originally Posted by Sovereign

Actually, given that SE designed the game and many of the lackluster systems it uses, they could directly 'help him there.' Besides, if people don't start wanting to play, then the game is going to die. ... Then again, with ToR and BLizzards next MMO on the horizon, it might just be to late anyways. SE might be able to recover their sunk costs, I guess... but I have a hard time seeing this becoming profitable. =(

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Ugh...the same broken record doomsaying I've seen a hundred times before...

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Originally Posted by Phenidate

No, overly dramatic OPs who threaten to quit at the drop of a hat and leave their drama calling card on the forums every time are exactly why the community is like this.

If all these 'this game isn't my dreams riding on a magical pony so I drama now' posts were threatening to jump I'd probably be greasing the ledge right now.

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no i took this kind of abuse from these people that claim to be elite with top classes around r30 or less for months before i decided to stop taking it. the abuse people give one another are the reason only fanbois or people that are sick of them come on here. you do realize that only a small portion of the players even check the forums right? there is a reason for it and that is it.

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Originally Posted by lun4tic

I had hoped this update would be awesome, but it isn't shaping up to be anything like that. I'm disappointed that group-only content was added and the community quickly expresses their latent exclusiveness held over from FFXI. Nobody does anything outside their LS, or invites anybody outside their LS, and nobody has any openly recruiting linkshells, so anybody in a small LS or completely without one is screwed out of content and the ability to continue through the Grand Companies line of quests.

Worst of all, is that I can't even seek. I have to repeatedly shout, which I'm sure annoys everybody.

I can't imagine how this game will ever pull off a grand re-opening with this cold-shoulder culture.

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What? Isnt seek party/invite to party in the game now? And just send tells to people or try to create your own party.

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Originally Posted by danny52844

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when we have people like the OP that don't even read the patch notes and just rage over every patch, yeah..of course we are like this. The OP obviously hasn't even logged into the game since the update nor has he read the patch notes =) Dude doesn't deserve to play the game.

It's not the update or SE at fault.. it's the community :P

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

no i took this kind of abuse from these people that claim to be elite with top classes around r30 or less for months before i decided to stop taking it. the abuse people give one another are the reason only fanbois or people that are sick of them come on here. you do realize that only a small portion of the players even check the forums right? there is a reason for it and that is it.

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You call this "abuse"?

You are incredibly thin-skinned...

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

Ugh...the same broken record doomsaying I've seen a hundred times before...

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Doesn't mean it won't happen. I mean just consider the facts. This game is bleeding money. In less than a year the cost of the game has gone from $50 down to $15, it doesn't have a monthly fee, and people are still bailing. The market is highly competitive, with a number of big players with launches lined up in the near future. Finally, most players are only going to pay for 1 game, so you really need a product that is (to a large number of players) better than the other guys'. I just don't really see how it can last for very long.

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Originally Posted by danny52844

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Community is fine, we are just sick of people whinning.

Get a linkshell if you want to do things as a group. Everyone is trying out new things tonight, it was the same in XI update day no one partyed there either.

When someone makes a thread about quitting the game, what else can you say?

Goodbye and have fun. +1 more slot open for logging in.

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

That is all.

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Originally Posted by Sovereign

Doesn't mean it won't happen. I mean just consider the facts. This game is bleeding money. In less than a year the cost of the game has gone from $50 down to $15, it doesn't have a monthly fee, and people are still bailing. The market is highly competitive, with a number of big players with launches lined up in the near future. Finally, most players are only going to pay for 1 game, so you really need a product that is (to a large number of players) better than the other guys'. I just don't really see how it can last for very long.

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in September, people said that the game was going to die soon. In November, same thing. Turn of the year, same thing. April, same freaking thing. Now? Same thing. It hasn't happened yet and I don't think it will happen anytime soon. Today's patch brought back a TON of people and I actually had 3 friends re-join the game since all they needed was Auto attack and a decent amount of content. They got what they wanted. The others are waiting on more FF-ish content (Chocobos, airships and jobs) I don't see the game losing players at all compared to how many it is gaining.

I took the thread title "Right back to XI" & post to mean the game's reverting back to some of the negatives that were in XI, not that the OP's quitting and going back to XI.

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Originally Posted by Dubont

in September, people said that the game was going to die soon. In November, same thing. Turn of the year, same thing. April, same freaking thing. Now? Same thing. It hasn't happened yet and I don't think it will happen anytime soon. Today's patch brought back a TON of people and I actually had 3 friends re-join the game since all they needed was Auto attack and a decent amount of content. They got what they wanted. The others are waiting on more FF-ish content (Chocobos, airships and jobs) I don't see the game losing players at all compared to how many it is gaining.

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Right now, the game regaining players doesn't generate any revenue whatsoever. Square Enix is still a for-profit corporation, and while they may be willing to just eat the loss for a while, eventually the product has to make money. The longer it takes, the more money is required to make up all the sunk costs. In one year I just don't think there have been enough major changes to warrant enough people paying for the product to sustain it, and it will inevitably die out if it can't make up it's losses and start to generate some cash. Yeah people have been saying that the product is dying for a while, but that doesn't change the simple facts of the matter. Products that don't generate revenue or provide competitive advantage have no business in a business.

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Originally Posted by Sovereign

Doesn't mean it won't happen. I mean just consider the facts. This game is bleeding money. In less than a year the cost of the game has gone from $50 down to $15,

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You have to spend money to make money. The game isn't "bleeding money". SE has invested money in it in the hopes it will eventually turn a profit. Whether or not that happens remains to be seen.

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Originally Posted by Sovereign

it doesn't have a monthly fee, and people are still bailing.

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Which is why there were login queues on several servers tonight. All those people bailing out were clogging the tubes, I suppose.

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Originally Posted by Sovereign

The market is highly competitive, with a number of big players with launches lined up in the near future. Finally, most players are only going to pay for 1 game, so you really need a product that is (to a large number of players) better than the other guys'. I just don't really see how it can last for very long.

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Because it's Final Fantasy, and Final Fantasy fans would rather play a good Final Fantasy game than a great Star Wars game. I believe there are enough of them that SE can turn it around. The groundwork this patch has laid has made me cautiously optimistic.

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Originally Posted by danny52844

god :| these ppl who just say kthxbia u wont be missed are just why this game is shitty
no matter how good the game is when the ppl are this shitty u just dont wanna play

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amen to dat brodda *ff10 wakka voice*

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Originally Posted by Sovereign

Right now, the game regaining players doesn't generate any revenue whatsoever. Square Enix is still a for-profit corporation, and while they may be willing to just eat the loss for a while, eventually the product has to make money. The longer it takes, the more money is required to make up all the sunk costs. In one year I just don't think there have been enough major changes to warrant enough people paying for the product to sustain it, and it will inevitably die out if it can't make up it's losses and start to generate some cash. Yeah people have been saying that the product is dying for a while, but that doesn't change the simple facts of the matter. Products that don't generate revenue or provide competitive advantage have no business in a business.

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I don't think you're understanding. Ok, this may be hard for you so bare with me. This patch brought back a ton of players. 1.19 will bring back A LOT more and 1.20 will bring in even more. Now, what does this mean? This means that FFXIV...is getting an actual player base. SE, according to our speculation, is planning on starting the sub fee after 1.20 or 1.21. Now, if all of the players that came back from the 1.18, 1.19, and 1.20 stay, which the majority will, then FFXIV will have a subscription base. This will mean money for SE and it will probably take a year or two for the company to recover their losses, but things can only look up at that point. The reason FFXIV hasn't failed yet is because SE made this game themselves. Unlike games like..LOTRO, the game wasn't given shared between different companies. This is all SE's game and they depict when the game is finished. Currently, they aren't ready to throw in the towel just yet and after seeing the player results from today's patch, I doubt they will be ready to give up any time soon.

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Originally Posted by lun4tic

I had hoped this update would be awesome, but it isn't shaping up to be anything like that. I'm disappointed that group-only content was added and the community quickly expresses their latent exclusiveness held over from FFXI. Nobody does anything outside their LS, or invites anybody outside their LS, and nobody has any openly recruiting linkshells, so anybody in a small LS or completely without one is screwed out of content and the ability to continue through the Grand Companies line of quests.

Worst of all, is that I can't even seek. I have to repeatedly shout, which I'm sure annoys everybody.

I can't imagine how this game will ever pull off a grand re-opening with this cold-shoulder culture.

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sorry you don't get everything handed to you...try forming a group and talking to people.

it is a moot point anyway as no one can even get in to play.

Ul'Dah is filled, there are people running across the map. In all directions doing different things. Talking, and exploring. This game isn't dying. This is the new breath the game has been given. And it's working.

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

You have to spend money to make money. The game isn't "bleeding money". SE has invested money in it in the hopes it will eventually turn a profit. Whether or not that happens remains to be seen.

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Every day that this game remains online without a revenue model to at least meet it's costs results in a loss for Square Enix. That's what I mean by 'bleeding money.' Every day the invested or sunk costs increase.

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

Which is why there were login queues on several servers tonight. All those people bailing out were clogging the tubes, I suppose.

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I'm stating that over the past year, by some sources, the average number of active players has declined. One day with the first real major patch and login queues doesn't really change the trend, much the same way that one really cold day in the summer doesn't disprove global warming.

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

Because it's Final Fantasy, and Final Fantasy fans would rather play a good Final Fantasy game than a great Star Wars game. I believe there are enough of them that SE can turn it around. The groundwork this patch has laid has made me cautiously optimistic.

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You might be right here, but will it be enough to become profitable is the real question. We also have some evidence to suggest that the brand may not demand the same loyalty that it used to, especially when pitted against Blizzard's fan loyalty and the devotion some people have to Star Wars.

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Originally Posted by lun4tic

I had hoped this update would be awesome, but it isn't shaping up to be anything like that. I'm disappointed that group-only content was added and the community quickly expresses their latent exclusiveness held over from FFXI. Nobody does anything outside their LS, or invites anybody outside their LS, and nobody has any openly recruiting linkshells, so anybody in a small LS or completely without one is screwed out of content and the ability to continue through the Grand Companies line of quests.

Worst of all, is that I can't even seek. I have to repeatedly shout, which I'm sure annoys everybody.

I can't imagine how this game will ever pull off a grand re-opening with this cold-shoulder culture.

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lol.

Cool story, bro! Tell me everything you know!

Glad to see more "boo-hoo I wanna' kill really easy mobs by myself" people are leaving.
Great update, SE. Keep them coming!

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Originally Posted by Dubont

I don't think you're understanding. Ok, this may be hard for you so bare with me. This patch brought back a ton of players. 1.19 will bring back A LOT more and 1.20 will bring in even more. Now, what does this mean? This means that FFXIV...is getting an actual player base. SE, according to our speculation, is planning on starting the sub fee after 1.20 or 1.21. Now, if all of the players that came back from the 1.18, 1.19, and 1.20 stay, which the majority will, then FFXIV will have a subscription base. This will mean money for SE and it will probably take a year or two for the company to recover their losses, but things can only look up at that point. The reason FFXIV hasn't failed yet is because SE made this game themselves. Unlike games like..LOTRO, the game wasn't given shared between different companies. This is all SE's game and they depict when the game is finished. Currently, they aren't ready to throw in the towel just yet and after seeing the player results from today's patch, I doubt they will be ready to give up any time soon.

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If you want to insult me directly then I have no interest is continuing our discussion. Have a nice evening.

"I come back after a long time and i demand people bring me to the new dungeons! Or I ragequit!"

Seriously. It's *obvious* that people are going to do the dungeons with their linkshell mates first.

Do the new, supposedly challenging content with people I know and trust? Or do it with random strangers?

Real hard choice there.

me and my linkshell are having a BLAST.. parties actually have to look at their setup.. tanks have to do their jobs.. healers have to do their jobs.. its freaking AWESOME.. loving the changes.. keep em coming!

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Originally Posted by Rau

Selbina is full of JPs.

But sorry you had such a bad time. Don't let door hit you on the way out^^

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Funny cause I have been on selbina since the server was released in the beta, and while we do have a healthy population of jps, we're also the official francophone server so at all times of day I see shouts in JP, english, and French. And JPs do not overpopulate NA on the server at all. So its a misnomer to say Selbina is full of JPs and thats why some of his problems occurred. On selbina the only way to get a party is to usually start one and then shout in uldah. So talk about your own server just sayin. I've been on Selbina since the beta and have never had a problem with finding english players, the problem is the community, there is little incentive to go outside your ls at this point, it is true.

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Originally Posted by lun4tic

Nobody does anything outside their LS, or invites anybody outside their LS, and nobody has any openly recruiting linkshells, so anybody in a small LS or completely without one is screwed out of content and the ability to continue through the Grand Companies line of quests.

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I hear ya. I particularly like how linkshells have become exclusive as well, requiring that you permanently leave every other linkhshell that you're a member of. My server is just as bad--just a few LSs that dominate, and everyone else is left with LSs that consist of irregular players or people hopping from inactive LS to inactive LS until they finally leave the game. I've met one or two of the big LSs that will let me join them from time to time if there's an opening, but I mostly play solo or occasionally get enough people in my LS to do stuff (maybe once very month or two). Often, I form my parties by meeting people in Behest.

I'd hate to see you go, but definitely see your point. Personally, I'm fine playing solo. No, I won't get to do much endgame content, but there's so many jobs to level and there will eventually be so much stuff to do that I'm sure it will keep me around for years.

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

Um, the content is brand new and nobody has done it yet.

You expect people to bother with pick-up groups right off the bat? LSs have been planning for this night for months.

Sorry you aren't outgoing enough to look for a decent LS. SE can't help you there, unfortunately.

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Uhh, why wouldn't people want to do pick up groups? It's okay to come out of your (link)shell mr. tortoise.

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Originally Posted by Seikninkuru

Uhh, why wouldn't people want to do pick up groups? It's okay to come out of your (link)shell mr. tortoise.

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Because they want everyone who has taken a break from the game to never come back and would rather tell potential players to "go play wow" than show them why it is that they white knight this game so hard.

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Originally Posted by Seikninkuru

Uhh, why wouldn't people want to do pick up groups? It's okay to come out of your (link)shell mr. tortoise.

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If you have tried the new dungeon, you know you wouldnt be doing it with pickups as well unless there was no choice.

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

If you have tried the new dungeon, you know you wouldnt be doing it with pickups as well unless there was no choice.

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Sort of hard to try it when no one will party with you.

I am glad to see the community saying "welcome back" to players checking out the patch though.

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Originally Posted by LuxLex

Sort of hard to try it when no one will party with you.

I am glad to see the community saying "welcome back" to players checking out the patch though.

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I seriously doubt a pug could do the dungeon... well until everyone has it down pat anyway.

hehe, OP was really funny.

Had to be trollin