Bravura Novus

Looking at what stats would you guys recommend of course accuracy but what else?

Hmm. I usually play a PLD but mostly, the tanking stats are; STR, VIT, Parry and ACC.
If Crit/Det is your thing, go ahead. But I heard some WARs benefit from damage as well but I can't confirm you that.
Since WARs have damage buffs on their arsenal.

go for what you need in your build. if you want to crit more with Overpower / Steel Cyclone on aoe situations go that, if you want steady damage output go det. If you think that raising skill speed will benefit you in a way that your GCD is faster than dps (mine's 2.40 with certain accesories) -> you can easiy out-enmity dps classes when picking up ads etc...

It's good there's no one right way to do this

Without knowing the details I'm not sure.

How much det can you put on it vs. crit. for example.
I'm thinking parry + crit. Since the Conq. does acc. crit. But maybe crit det or parry acc.
Many options. It might just depend on what coil drops I manage to get when I'm actually read to make the novus.

Currently sitting at 535 Acc while using Bravura Animus. Cap in t9 is somewhere around 515, so I need to lose accuracy - not gain it.

Generally (not just me currently) I think it is designed so that you're supposed to have Accuracy on a certain number of items, and none on other items. So which do you want Novus to be? I can't see a clear wrong answer.

So for me it'll come down to how much of each is offered. Probably Parry/Crit or Parry/Det. The weights of Crit and Det are known, so it's just see how much of each can go on Novus and math gives a clear winner. Crit/Det would be defensible if you want offense more than Parry, but I like parry.

I would do parry and DEX. T2 coil and sol gear will help you meet accuracy cap

DET CRIT !!! all the way

Definitely parry/det. While the thought of having crit/det is nice, a lot of the gear that drops in coil and the weathered stuff has crit already on it. Acc seems pretty useless since the 110 gear will more than likely put you over the acc cap for bc2. Plus we are tanks, I'll take a flat increase over variable damage output any day.

Considering the high allagan axe has accuracy it seems somewhat prudent to build your gear list with that in mind. You can make the Novus a mini-high-allagan with acc parry.

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Originally Posted by melflomil

I would do parry and DEX. T2 coil and sol gear will help you meet accuracy cap

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Parry is at least understandable, if not that important. Dex is just ridiculous and people would/should laugh at you.

can't put DEX on it anyway.

AYYY!!! Square shouldn't have put the description that DEX increases Parry and block rates

ACC, Det

Det, Crit

Would be the 2 best choices, be careful though, once you start you are locked in....

I'm going for max parry and the rest acc because conq is high acc with low crit. I'm hurting for acc in general (and, if I have too much, it's easier for me to get rid of acc than it is to get more), and it makes sense to allow for an optimal survivability and optimal damage option (if you want them perfectly interchangeable, you can put in 44 acc and 31 parry so taht the acc matches).

Im going for det for sure. However I'm a bit lost about the other stat. I don't need acc since I'm capped for t9. Why would I want parry over crit seeing that we don't benefit from parry as much as PLDs do?

I think ACC is probably the safest choice for the long run, and will probably open up gearing choices for better stat gains.

As for the 2nd stat, it probably doesn't matter.

If you believe in Parry (you shouldn't) then by all means go for it.

Personally im going Det.

Yes, this is what I was thinking. Not really a fan of parry for WAR.

As for the acc. Not that hard to cap especially when you'd go with the t7 pants which have 41 acc on it. I have not played with several sets yet, but it feels like it would open more for good secondary stats such as the T9 body and some nice stat on your novus too other than acc.

I'll check it out later.

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Originally Posted by Kitru

I'm going for max parry and the rest acc because conq is high acc with low crit. I'm hurting for acc in general (and, if I have too much, it's easier for me to get rid of acc than it is to get more), and it makes sense to allow for an optimal survivability and optimal damage option (if you want them perfectly interchangeable, you can put in 44 acc and 31 parry so taht the acc matches).

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Assuming you are in a static and are doing T9 or going to do T9 clears, the high allagan axe already has parry an acc plus its an i115. Hopefully I'll be able to reach it before 2.4 (3rd coil) but currently my static has some current rl issues and got set back by two weeks of no raids.

For any raiding war this would be the ideal goal as you will save yourself the trouble of grinding out myths, materia and alexanderites and depending on your static's skill and rng you could have the axe quicker than the novus. Plus you will also be gearing out in i110 armor/accessories as opposed to focusing on only one i110 weapon. I think I will go det/crit as the conqurer has acc/crit and the novus will act as my mediator in terms of a 'dps' tank. I'm currently sitting at i96 with 494 acc w/o food.

Max Parry, rest on ACC imo.

If you're going for all the 110 equips that maximise your parry then your ACC will be fairly low without a good amount on the weapon.

I know i'll have two weapons with the same setup and minimal difference in ilv once I get my hands on high allagan and novus but i'm hoping that when we can upgrade novus further, we'll be able to keep and further expand on the stats we already chose for it. This could mean if I kept adding Parry and Acc, i'd have a good setup going into future content/raids.

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Originally Posted by Marxam

Assuming you are in a static and are doing T9 or going to do T9 clears, the high allagan axe already has parry an acc plus its an i115.

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That's kind of the point. The high allagan battleaxe is going to replace any other axe you're using because it's itemized perfectly for tanking and also has the highest ilvl. Itemization consideration for the Novus has to be considered against the weapons that it's actually competing with, namely, Conquerer, which is acc/crit. As such, Conq is your DPS weap (acc/crit) whereas the Novus acts as your tank weap (parry/acc); as soon as you get HAB, it becomes both your tank weapon (higher parry and VIT) *and* your DPS weapon (weapon damage > all for DPS purposes).

I would say the majority of the player base doesn't have access to T9.


And I know its pointless to speculate about what is after Coil 2.0, but if you are looking at the Zodiac weapon as a long term investment then I still say ACC is the way to go.

I am thinking 31DET, 24Parry, 20ACC. Or perhaps 29PAR and 15ACC.

I know people are already hitting their ACC cap for coil 2 without acc on the weapon. However, I am trying to be prepared to the next stage of coil or whatever may come next. With the soldiery gear, some pieces replaced the entire acc in one piece of equipment for a mere 1 point increase in parry, or the other way around. With ACC requirements no doubt increasing at some stage, should I have to sacrifice a piece of gear for one with parry, at least my weapon makes up for it. Lastly, once we go to the Zodiac stage, the acc will scale up, I am hoping, with the weapon.

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Originally Posted by Barboron

I am thinking 31DET, 24Parry, 20ACC. Or perhaps 29PAR and 15ACC.

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You can't get 75 full points if you have 31 DET. DET is weighed more heavily than the other stats so that 31 is going to count as your 44. If you want 31 DET, you're only going to get 16 and 15 on parry/acc.

And that is entirely incorrect because stat weights don't mean anything when infusing. Every +1 is just a plain old 1/75 regardless of stat weights.

I'm going 44 Parry and 31 Accuracy for mine.

Just having accuracy on my Weapon will help expand the rest of my gear choices beyond just the pieces that have enough accuracy to meet the cap, as a lot of those have pointless other secondary stats like Skill Speed.

Yes, I know High Allagan has both Parry and Accuracy, but for some of us who won't be reaching Turn 9 for a while due to only raiding once a week (currently on Turn 7 to about 50%), it'll probably be a good alternative. Also, I'm down at 5th in our team's list to receive the Unidentified Tomestone, so the Weathered Conqueror (let alone the restored Conqueror) is a ways off too.

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Originally Posted by GreyJorildyn

And that is entirely incorrect because stat weights don't mean anything when infusing. Every +1 is just a plain old 1/75 regardless of stat weights.

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I'm referring to the end stats. To get 31 points of DET on your Bravura Novus, you're only going to have 31 points for your other secondary stats. If you want to use 31 of your infusions on Determination, you're only going to get 22 DET on your final weapon. If the devs were dumb enough to actually allow DET *not* scale, there would be no reason to have any other stat taking up your 44 because it's worth so much more on a point for point basis.

So can anyone please elaborate?

I infused Heavens' eye materia I (HEMI) 8 times now. I think the succes rate dropped to 90% after the 7th, I'm not sure. I was under the impression that one could upgrade with the #2 variant of said materia after the 8th infuse. Do I need to meld HEMI until HEMII is available, or am I missing something?

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Originally Posted by abzoluut

So can anyone please elaborate?

I infused Heavens' eye materia I (HEMI) 8 times now. I think the succes rate dropped to 90% after the 7th, I'm not sure. I was under the impression that one could upgrade with the #2 variant of said materia after the 8th infuse. Do I need to meld HEMI until HEMII is available, or am I missing something?

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It's After 11 it seems, Although i think it depends on the Stat

primary after 11th for each step.

Secondary is 7/8/8/8 iirc

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Originally Posted by abzoluut

So can anyone please elaborate?

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It goes up by 1 rank every 25% (round up) of the max value (it favors lower grade materia). Max 44 is 11/22/33/44, 31 is 8/8/8/7.

Ah sweet thanks! For a moment I thought I srewed up..

Can we only use a Novus or can we use an Animus with infusions too? Can't seem to find a solid answer.

What about choosing 3 stats (or more)? You would need less higher grade materia, and the difference might not be that noticeable, you'd at least gain a bit of other stat, even if it's not so important.

I don't think a mistake choosing stats will be a make or break mistake.

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Originally Posted by Kitru

I'm referring to the end stats. To get 31 points of DET on your Bravura Novus, you're only going to have 31 points for your other secondary stats. If you want to use 31 of your infusions on Determination, you're only going to get 22 DET on your final weapon. If the devs were dumb enough to actually allow DET *not* scale, there would be no reason to have any other stat taking up your 44 because it's worth so much more on a point for point basis.

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False, there is no scaling with novus.

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Originally Posted by Kitru

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3 words: you're wrong.

edit:
we already know this since the post at http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...indings/page67 6 days ago, here you go --> http://imgur.com/Aehn0oy,bG1UgKT,3iIEWfc#0

http://i.imgur.com/Aehn0oy.png

deleted as someone has answered my question
Someone confirmed my answer awhile ago.

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Originally Posted by Nabian

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since the first novus weps were done 6 days ago, http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...novus_weapons/ i think there must be a bravura novus somewhere :o

So here's a side question: if I'm not interested in Coil, is Accuracy still worth bothering with?

I generally enjoy dungeons, primals, and even CT, but I don't get involved in bleeding edge content. Just more trouble then it's worth to me.

Ok...so now that we know we can get 31 Determination.

What do you guys think of the set-up below. I'm quoting to give the original person credit.

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Originally Posted by Barboron

I am thinking 31DET, 24Parry, 20ACC.

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This option is attractive because obviously 31 det is very nice. I have also considered the option of:

31DET/ 24CRIT / 20ACC

I like the extra accuracy because of the acc requirements of T9, and I imagine that future Coil will have even higher requirements. Though I don't feel placing all of the points into accuracy is remotely necessary (due to the high amount of acc already on coil2 gear).

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Originally Posted by ZephyrAM

So here's a side question: if I'm not interested in Coil, is Accuracy still worth bothering with?

I generally enjoy dungeons, primals, and even CT, but I don't get involved in bleeding edge content. Just more trouble then it's worth to me.

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Leviathan and Moogle EX both have accuracy requirements on the order of coil 1. I think it's safe to assume newer extremes will too.
But also 1st coil up to turn 5, at least, is incredibly easy now.

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Originally Posted by Kitru

I'm referring to the end stats. To get 31 points of DET on your Bravura Novus, you're only going to have 31 points for your other secondary stats. If you want to use 31 of your infusions on Determination, you're only going to get 22 DET on your final weapon. If the devs were dumb enough to actually allow DET *not* scale, there would be no reason to have any other stat taking up your 44 because it's worth so much more on a point for point basis.

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It doesn't work like that. 31 infusions = 31 det. Same goes for piety. Novus doesn't take into account stat weights.

Someone has already completed a 44crit/31det novus bow. It's somewhere toward the end of the big novus thread in the general forums. EDIT: someone beat me to it above.

But realistically, you probably should have already seen this coming. *If* they were going to weight the resultant stats, then det would cap at 44 infusions and get scaled back to 31. They would not have capped the infusions at 31 and then applied the stat weight penalty too.

EDIT: nvm on materia tiers, I read the initial quote wrong.

Anyhow, I'm probably going to go the cheap route and do a relatively equal split between parry, accuracy and det.

I probably gonna put parry and skill speed.
Yeah now you can insult me.
Maybe even with some acc dunno.