Put the level on the Soulstone

As many already know arcanist are getting both summoner and scholar when they leveling up.I don't realy like that way because that way a person that plays summoner can change to scholar and going into a high level dungeon and not even healed before.

Instead I would put the levels onto the soulstones that we get at lv.30. So when you for exemple leveling a arcanist lv.1-30 then choose to play summoner you get the summoner soulstone that will allow you to level summoner lv.30-50 and when you done that and decides that you also want to give scholar a chanse you equip the scholar stone and you again need to level 30-50. This way you atleast need to play the class before joining high level stuff.

This will also make it easier for SE to add more classes without people get the class already at lv.50. Take Dark Knight that could be a combined class between Maruder and acranist. People that already have maruder at 50 will just get it at max level but with this way I explained they will need to level it from 30-50 and get to know the job before they are max level.

This sounds like a nice solution to me.

The thing is, this isn't what Soul Crystals are actually designed to be - all a Soul Crystal is, is a means of specialization in a class's role, that's all. It's not meant to be like FFXI's Job system where each Job is seperate. Here you have your base class and a Job upgrade to that class, you can't have a Job without the class you're levelling.

And before you pass judgement, players actually wanted this system - when Yoshi first took over as FFXIV producer, he asked the 1.0 player community whether we wanted to keep the existing class system and have Jobs build on them (as what we have in ARR), or scrap the Armoury System and replace it with an FFXI style Job system. Overwhelmingly, it was in support of the former, hence Job Crystals. So I don't think there's going to be any change along the lines you're asking for I'm sorry to say.

And yet if they would have removed the armoury system we could have new jobs that:

- wouldnt have 90% of the skills of their original base class if they get a new job tackled unto it.
- could use a multitude of weapon kinds instead of being forced to be stuck to just one. What if i want to use Sword/Shield -and- great swords, and staves and maybe clubs now on my PLD?
- would be an unique side-branch of the class, without simply being an upgrade like it is now. Who would want to be a Gladiator when Paladin has all that and more.

Seriously, the Armoury system is terrible. I dont know why anyone would favor such a horribly flawd system.

I'm an old Final Fantasy XI player and also 1.0 player and I never liked this class system. I think the one in FFXI are way better and same as Surian writes the game would have so mutch more variety of weapon to classes.

Well I believe the Armory system is still in its infancy. I would like to see when they raise the level cap to not give any new abilities to classes and just allow jobs to continue unlocking new abilities through quests that way as you progressed past 50 jobs would become far more unique to classes. So in theory you could still be a level 60 summoner and scholar but unless you completed the quests associated with the job you would have no extra abilities compared to a level 50 since none are now granted to the class.

More so when as far as I am aware Arcanist isn't going to be the only class that will have more than one job come off from it and when you have conflicting jobs on the same class adding new abilities to that class may cause imbalance between the jobs or having abilities that aren't used due to them providing almost no benefit to that particular job role.

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Originally Posted by Surian

Seriously, the Armoury system is terrible. I dont know why anyone would favor such a horribly flawd system.

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That is your opinion. I think it's great.
To answer your points
- building a job off of a pre-existing class with their skills lets you have more jobs faster and a wider variety of specializations
- classes restricted to 1 type of weapon makes it easier to balance properly so we have better balanced classes/jobs
- makes each class actually more unique from each other. no PLD using a great axe and no WAR using a sword and shield (also you aren't meant to go back to Gladiator once you unlock Paladin. previous FF games did this type of thing as well)

To add a few more points
- easier to learn new roles. a SMN unlocking and learning SCH is a lot easier of a transition than SMN to WHM
- helps players play different roles with one class leveled (see SMN + SCH)

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

To add a few more points
- easier to learn new roles. a SMN unlocking and learning SCH is a lot easier of a transition than SMN to WHM
- helps players play different roles with one class leveled (see SMN + SCH)

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So you saying that if SE decides to add new classes people will just get them at max level and have not even played them once is fun and that will help players to get better ? A player that been leveling up as a summoner going into a dungeon first time as a Scholar and don't know how to heal is fun and helps the player ? I don't even think that for a secound. That player will be vote kicked because he can't heal. And if that player had to atleast level a bit to have that job at max level he would have learned how it works and can handle it better then one that just get it at lv. 50 and never even played it. Don't you think ?

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You seem like a rude person to kick someone out of a roulette because they aren't good at their role yet not to mention that's a bannable offense. You probably shouldn't do that.

Aside from that, no I am not saying anything like in your post. First of all you have to play the job to fully unlock the job. You just don't get your soul stone for free. Second, yes going into duty finder and going as something you don't know how to play well is exactly how you learn how to play. This is how the SMN who is going as SCH for the first time learned how to be a SMN in the first place.

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You seem like a rude person to kick someone out of a roulette because they aren't good at their role yet not to mention that's a bannable offense. You probably shouldn't do that.

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I never sad that I kick people but I have seen it. And then why do they have vote to kick people. And "playing the job" to unlock it! Yay! 4 quests realy makes you know the job. >< Yeah you learn to play your class/job by doing dungeon/dutys and stuff but do you not think that a player that been playing the class/job from lower level know the class/job better then one that get it by leveling a complet diffrent class/job ?

Yes because it takes so much effort to learn how to use 5 whole skills.

It's not about learning to use the skill it about when to use them. So still I think it would be better for players to level the job and learn it by leveling and not get everything for free, Just do like World of Warcraft do you can now buy a potion that will max your level and you wont even need to touch it to get max level. That's alot of fun and gives the player so mutch experiance about the class/job that he/she plays.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

You seem like a rude person to kick someone out of a roulette because they aren't good at their role yet not to mention that's a bannable offense. You probably shouldn't do that.

Aside from that, no I am not saying anything like in your post. First of all you have to play the job to fully unlock the job. You just don't get your soul stone for free. Second, yes going into duty finder and going as something you don't know how to play well is exactly how you learn how to play. This is how the SMN who is going as SCH for the first time learned how to be a SMN in the first place.

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And it isn't rude for the person who has zero idea how to heal to go in to a dungeon and waste 3-7 other people's time? It's entirely possible to have leveled to 50 as smn and go into a dungeon as scholar for the first time and be able to perform your job function. If the person hasn't bothered doing what they need to to be ready for that role it's perfectly acceptable to vote kick them.

Old School FFXI player been and 1.0 been at start of both games.

I like the system and hate it, but from what i read Amy i never learned to play SCH, to be fair i was a main healer back in XI so i no the idea. but the quest u do never once did i need to learn to heal i just DPS my way threw the quest line. The NPC heal you so u don't need to learn and if you already no how to play SMN from levelling it up then you can easy DPS SCH threw the game like i did. Not Once was i forced to learn SCH. Tho SCH easy to learn any way so i don't see the prob with people learning it.

The system is nice in so many ways and others it ins't i do myself prefer the XI Class system. I was one of the 1.0 Players who voted against this system but still giving it a chance.

Totally agree with Joanna! ♥

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Originally Posted by Ominoussilence

If the person hasn't bothered doing what they need to to be ready for that role it's perfectly acceptable to vote kick them.

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No, it's not. There is no button for "Playing poorly" when kicking someone. There is "Offline" "AFK" and "Harassment". Being bad does not fit into any of those in DF.

If you were talking about a premade party where one person is making a run impossible, then it is acceptable to leave and remove them from the party but joining a DF to learn a role is not against any guidelines and is how many people learn their roles anyway. How do you expect people to learn different jobs? Leveling? That doesn't teach you much.

That's sad how we are limited...we don't have influence in creation of our characters...weapons assigned to classes, no skill selection, something like builds doesn't exist here. Lore, atmosphere, music is not all. That's why I'm looking for a new game or go back to Aion.

I do like they have in FFXI it's an old game but damn that class system is nice. 21 jobs and you can mix them so mutch to creat a job that are unique for special occasions. You could for example take Ranger/Warrior to get a nice boost on dps that have the burst damage or you could go Ranger/Ninja that will give you more kiting abilities and sustain. So you could mix and match the classes how you like to play. You could come as a PLD with two swords that could offtank and still put out some dps if needed. Or PLD/WHM and be a offtank/healer support if there was a heavy healing fight.

That was actually an illusion though - sure in FFXI you could theoretically mix and match a Job with any sub you wish, but realistically, some sub job combinations ended up being absolutely useless as they added nothing to the main Job. This is because despite appearences the sub job combination was less about adding extra abilities and skills to the player's main job, and more about boosting stats and the traits they brought.

Hence, it basically came down to most melees subbing NIN (and later DNC), PLD, DRK and NIN subbing WAR, mages subbing BLM, BLM subbing WHM. Really, the only Job who really had true freedom as to what they subbed was DRG because the sub job choice controlled the wyvern's AI, so it came down to how the player wanted their pet to function as to what sub Job they set.


Freedom of choice in setting character abilities is an illusion because ultimately players will just go with one way of doing things (what is the easiest to play which gives the best return) - it's human nature. All SE have done is accepted this and designed ARR accordingly.

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No, it's not. There is no button for "Playing poorly" when kicking someone. There is "Offline" "AFK" and "Harassment". Being bad does not fit into any of those in DF.

If you were talking about a premade party where one person is making a run impossible, then it is acceptable to leave and remove them from the party but joining a DF to learn a role is not against any guidelines and is how many people learn their roles anyway. How do you expect people to learn different jobs? Leveling? That doesn't teach you much.

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The jobs really aren't that complicated. 5 mins on google will teach you enough about your job to be able to hold your own in a dungeon. I'm not saying you have to pull 300 dps to not get kicked, but if you don't know how to keep people alive (heals), or stay alive long enough for the boss to die in that content you should not be queuing for it. There are different levels of difficulty of content for a reason. Either queue for the easy ones or learn your job. Wasting multiple other people's times is rude and selfish of the person queuing for content they're not ready for.

Well. I think if people are forced to atleast level a class/job from Lv. 30 to 50 would help then understand the roll more and will allow SE to add more jobs without everyone getting them for free.