Petition to add, "No cutscene skipping" to duty finder

As many have been raging about since the game's release, the party finder just is not obvious or efficient enough for new players to use for serious storyline use.

Here is an 8 month old example of this issue with over 450 replies. It is a serious issue that is still ongoing and has not yet been resolved.
http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen..._about_people/

There needs to be an instant and simple notification for players when opening the Duty Finder directly from clicking on their story dungeon quest. Not at the start of the game in the tutorials either because this issue is mainly focused on the last two dungeons.

This option will prevent:
- experienced players from getting upset/annoyed in dungeons
- new players having to skip storyline or having it ruined for them through rushing
- having to watch storyline out of context at the inn
- not enough players using the party finder to do this
- threads like this from upset players

Its already an option in party finder.

Also: duplicate topic of this.
Also: petitions don't work.

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

Its already an option in party finder.

Also: duplicate topic of this.
Also: petitions don't work.

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And neither does the party finder. That is the whole point.
I'm merely trying to help improve the game. :)

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Originally Posted by Axiom

And neither does the party finder. That is the whole point.

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Party finder doesn't work? Have you tried to form a party using the precondition of no cutscene skipping?

The feature works. But only if you use it.

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

Party finder doesn't work? Have you tried to form a party using the precondition of no cutscene skipping?

The feature works. But only if you use it.

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Of course it works in a technical sense, I don't believe you understood.
I don't believe the party finder is obvious to new players. I definitely didn't know about it until after the whole mess at the end of the game.
If the option was in the duty finder it would not only make it so players had to see that option, but it would also mean there were greater chances at getting in to a dungeon with the option.
The amount of time it takes to get in to a dungeon using the party finder makes it basically worthless, due it to being so hidden away. I hope you get my point now.

I will do everything that I can to make this an important issue. Even if all the people who don't care about story disagree. This option is not going to have any negative effects on your experience. :)

Then the solution would be to add a tutorial for Party Finder from the very beginning to the player

As much as I agree that one shouldn't be forced to skip cutscenes, people also have the right to skip them if they chose. Instead of having unskippable cutscenes, about how having an option in Duty Finder to select either a) Story Mode Roulette (where people who wish to experience the story content get assigned to a party with like-minded people), or B) Farming Mode, to farm for tomes/do speed runs. I don't know if this would be do-able, or it may cause problems in Duty Finder with longer wait queues, I dunno. Just a compromise suggestion for everyone!

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Originally Posted by Raestloz

Then the solution would be to add a tutorial for Party Finder from the very beginning to the player

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As I mentioned in this first post, the issue arises at the very end of the campaign. Players aren't going to remember that.
Game developers need to consider the players' state of mind when the issue arises, instead of just throwing in any old solution the devs think will work.

If you make cutscenes unskippable nobody will bother with those dungeons anymore and new players will wait forever like most do for Cape Westwind. You can get 2-3 Bray runs in the same time if you can't skip CSs.

Unfortunately it's just really, really stupid design by SE to place sooo many cutscenes in a dungeon.

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Originally Posted by Cap75

If you make cutscenes unskippable nobody will bother with those dungeons anymore and new players will wait forever like most do for Cape Westwind. You can get 2-3 Bray runs in the same time if you can't skip CSs.

Unfortunately it's just really, really stupid design by SE to place sooo many cutscenes in a dungeon.

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Which is why there should be a choice to do so in the Duty Finder, as that is what the quests direct you to. The Party Finder could be used for speed runs by experienced players.

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Originally Posted by Axiom

Which is why there should be a choice to do so in the Duty Finder, as that is what the quests direct you to. The Party Finder could be used for speed runs by experienced players.

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Same difference. Nobody would ever choose the cutscene version so you'd end up with the same issue.

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Originally Posted by Cap75

Same difference. Nobody would ever choose the cutscene version so you'd end up with the same issue.

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Not if, as Gil rules the world, you double the XP/GIL/give some myth tomes to those who go there to "help" the new players, which is why DF was created in the first place.

To everyone, not just a specific job-type.

Sadly these days, no one cares about each other, once you are done, you continue your road, not looking back if someone needs your help. :(

The game has a story: cutscenes are part of it, and well-placed into dungeons.

It's not candy crush, where all you do is lvl lvl lvl..

When you play a solo game, there will be unavoidable cutscenes to give you a sens of immersion.. MMOs have more than one person playing.

If you have done your story part, and wants to skip it, we need to consider also those who need it for their first time at least.

Else this MMO is a solo game..

They already give great tomes through Story Roulette. That's literally the only reason they get run by anyone but new players right now. But unless they bump that reward a good deal, if you're going to force watching cutscenes then your time is better spent elsewhere.

And every MMO is lvl, lvl, lvl... If you don't level you get stuck on the same content.

I reiterate: it was a ridiculous idea to put multiple long cutscenes in the middle of raid. It's absurd really. The cutscenes should have been in solo content between boss trials.

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Originally Posted by Cap75

They already give great tomes through Story Roulette. That's literally the only reason they get run by anyone but new players right now. But unless they bump that reward a good deal, if you're going to force watching cutscenes then your time is better spent elsewhere.

And every MMO is lvl, lvl, lvl... If you don't level you get stuck on the same content.

I reiterate: it was a ridiculous idea to put multiple long cutscenes in the middle of raid. It's absurd really. The cutscenes should have been in solo content between boss trials.

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If I wanted a Solo game, I wouldn't be playing an MMO ;)

And yes, Duty Roulette people are only doing it for the Tomes and Gil rewards. Do they care about the real intent: to help other players? Methinks not so.

*and getting cap after lvl lvl lvl, you will be doing the same content over and over lol

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Originally Posted by micropanther7

As much as I agree that one shouldn't be forced to skip cutscenes, people also have the right to skip them if they chose. Instead of having unskippable cutscenes, about how having an option in Duty Finder to select either a) Story Mode Roulette (where people who wish to experience the story content get assigned to a party with like-minded people), or B) Farming Mode, to farm for tomes/do speed runs. I don't know if this would be do-able, or it may cause problems in Duty Finder with longer wait queues, I dunno. Just a compromise suggestion for everyone!

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Or they can just keep the cutscenes outside the dungeon content. A short panorama of the end boss just before fighting is fine, but long cutscenes just before a PUG dungeon\BCNM (avatar fight?) was a bad idea. This stemmed from the only "instanced" content in XI being BCNMs that everyone was a willing party to and that you couldn't speed run, and the long missions that everyone completed together. SE hasn't had to deal with this kind of repeatable dungeoning that all other modern mmo's have already gotten past. I expect we will see far fewer CS's as a part of the repeatable dungeons and SE will keep those as a part of the player's personal story.

So in short - I'm not signing a petition to make my dungeon experience unnecessarily longer. There's only so many times any of us can stand to watch the same 5 minutes of story over and over... and over again.

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Originally Posted by KingOfAbyss

If I wanted a Solo game, I wouldn't be playing an MMO ;)

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If I wanted a cinematic experience, I'd go out to Regal.

Strongly disagree sorry. Don't get me wrong due to this I missed all the scenes I really wanted to see. I just think they should all be playable afterwards in the inn

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Originally Posted by Axiom

As I mentioned in this first post, the issue arises at the very end of the campaign. Players aren't going to remember that.
Game developers need to consider the players' state of mind when the issue arises, instead of just throwing in any old solution the devs think will work.

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I think the issue is that you're expecting DF players to behave on some arbitrary line. If a healer don't heal, by all means cook them for the devils, but if a healer wants to skip the cutscenes, ain't nothing is wrong with that. The only way to "solve" this issue is to get think alike players to band together, either via FC or via Party Finder.

If you'd rather not go the tutorial, simply put warnings near the dungeon requirements text: "if you wish to view the cutscenes, please form a Party Finder to do so". or perhaps when you first unlock the dungeons, you get introduced to Party Finder, for the XIVth time if need be

Good points from both sides, but if you are new to an instance and type,while in a CS, that you are new odds could be in your favor that a veteran or two may take sympathy. Odds are against you though, because no one plays this game to enjoy the simple things and reflect on battles. Everything is now now now, gimme gimme gimme, faster faster faster... :/

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Originally Posted by Xakery

Good points from both sides, but if you are new to an instance and type,while in a CS, that you are new odds could be in your favor that a veteran or two may take sympathy. Odds are against you though, because no one plays this game to enjoy the simple things and reflect on battles. Everything is now now now, gimme gimme gimme, faster faster faster... :/

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I actually don't see the value in watching the same cutscene for the XLVIII time. Really guys? Do you think that everyone will not, at any point in time, be "bored" with the same content over and over and over again? Titan Ex's 5 way Landslide looked bloody awesome the first time I see it. The first 5 times I died to TITEX I said "This is how HM should have been". Fast forward 30 attempts later, I'd burn the walls of Carpenter's Guild if need be to be done with it

If you can... *cough* "sympathize" with the *cough* new players, maybe you can *cough* sympathize with the guys that have seen that content more often than they should in a lifetime.

All content is viewable in the inn. I watched all of the stuff from Westwind, CM, and Prae in the Inn. It's pretty easy to run a dungeon and regain the context unless your memory is horrible.