Archer/Bard LB

I hit 16 on my archer and decided to do my first roulette. During the final fight our tank ended up dying and because the healer didn't raise him I ended up being the tank. Being a squishy archer I was kiting him all while asking our lancer to LB while I took a few hits and after he wouldn't LB even after being asked I did it myself only do discover I have the healer version instead of the meteors.

So my question is why do archers and I assume bards have the healer LB instead of the DPS one? We are considered a DD class and job right?

Technically they are DPS but really they are more a support class once they hit Bard, so I guess that's why they chose to give them a healer LB.

Plus if they were given their own class specific one it would make it a bit imbalanced as they would be the only class to have a unique one.

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Originally Posted by TeganLaron

Technically they are DPS but really they are more a support class once they hit Bard, so I guess that's why they chose to give them a healer LB.

Plus if they were given their own class specific one it would make it a bit imbalanced as they would be the only class to have a unique one.

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Wouldn't they just get meteors like BLM and I'm assuming summoner? I know my Monk and DRG both get clouds sword for ours

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Originally Posted by Moheeheeko

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Thank you for adding so much to this discussion. I'm still relatively "new" to the game and being a monk have always been the one to LB so not having the meteors was news to me

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Originally Posted by Marowit

Thank you for adding so much to this discussion. I'm still relatively "new" to the game and being a monk have always been the one to LB so not having the meteors was news to me

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I hear using the search function is hard, Confirm/deny?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...it-Break%21%21

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...n-healer-limit

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...nt-limit-break.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...o-this-to-bard

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...48-ARC-LB-heal

I could go on.

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Originally Posted by Moheeheeko

I hear using the search function is hard, Confirm/deny?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...it-Break%21%21

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...n-healer-limit

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...nt-limit-break.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...o-this-to-bard

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...48-ARC-LB-heal

I could go on.

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They've pointed out they're new. Maybe they aren't familiar with the functions used on the forums yet? Plus the search function is hardly perfect.

You could have simply posted links to them with advice to search in future before making a thread. Instead you acted like a massive tool to someone just looking for a bit of help.

Good job.

Once more : Bards are support job, thus have support LB.

Them being Qed as dps has nothing to do with it. If you want to ask something, ask SE to create more support jobs and a real support role.

You people are ruthless.

It is a support job and it kind of makes sense. Archer/bard is technically dps but we already have multiple other jobs that can do dps LB, but if your one or two healers go down its nice to have someone else who can use it to heal/revive everyone else.

A little silly for a dps to have it, but if they wanted to balance it out on who could do what LB archer/bard makes the most sense (before 30 only one class gets the healer LB). Of course, since bard seems to be one of the most played classes..it turns out to be pretty often in dungeons there's nobody who can do a dps LB

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Originally Posted by TeganLaron

They've pointed out they're new.

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Id hardly call 166 posts "new" to the forums

and you'd have to have some extreme tunnel vision to have a lvl 50 and not know by now that the bard Limit is healing, theres topics on the forums about it constantly and bards in game talking about it constantly.

Just imagine a 4th 'support' role exists and that's why Bards have the limit break they do, then start to wonder why support has the same LB as healers and that it's more useful when support uses it.

Btw it is much more difficult for the melee to lb/hit the damn thing if you are kiting it.

They really should just give Bards a LB that is akin to Bloodlust or something on WoW. A 15s haste/damage buff for the whole party or something. That would be more fitting for Bards since they are a 'support' role, not a healer or strictly dps.

It's obvious that the only reason they got the healer LB is because the ranged DPS LB uses magic and SE was too lazy to make one with different graphics for them.

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Originally Posted by Marowit

So my question is why do archers and I assume bards have the healer LB instead of the DPS one? We are considered a DD class and job right?

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Back in 1.0 Bards had access to healing abilities and the 2ndary necessary class to go BRD was Conjurer. They switched it to Pugilist for 2.0 on, but they never fixed it so Archers/Bards would have a different LB. I guess to avoid them becoming all that and a bag of chips.

All Lb´s are gonna be reworked . Job Related Limit Breaks are alsready in the works and Anounced. So i think maybe Bard will get the EES back (2h from FFXI Eagle Eye Shot, was the most devastating single target action you could get would fit in with Melee Lb just different Animation) =)

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Originally Posted by Marowit

So my question is why do archers and I assume bards have the healer LB instead of the DPS one? We are considered a DD class and job right?

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It may not feel that way early on, but yes, Bards are a support DPS class.

They're the only non-healing class in the game capable of reviving the healers/tanks DURING battle. Technically speaking, there's no reason why a Healer should ever need to LB as long as another healer is alive. But once all healers are dead, the Bard is the last resort between guaranteed wipe in a duty. Which makes sense, since bards are typically the last players standing alongside the tanks in a wipe situation.


Balance wise though, I actually would disagree with giving bards a DPS-oriented limit break that would actually compete with Melee/Mage LBs. That would very sharply run the risk of Bard becoming the uncontested "top tier" dps.

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Originally Posted by Dragonedge

All Lb´s are gonna be reworked . Job Related Limit Breaks are alsready in the works and Anounced. So i think maybe Bard will get the EES back (2h from FFXI Eagle Eye Shot, was the most devastating single target action you could get would fit in with Melee Lb just different Animation) =)

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Melee needs to keep their most powerful LB status. It's too tempting in too many fights to just do ranged only so it's nice to have one more reason to at least bring one melee. To me, it makes sense to have ranged physical dps be their own LB type. Maybe have it be a line attack like the first boss in pharos does. Power would probably be somewhere between the Melee single target and Mage AoE.

Why point out that a question has been asked before? -.- Like it matters? Oh no, one more forum post. The world shall now explode. Trust me, there are posts on this forum that are far more useless. At least they now KNOW what LB Bard has and why.

I have always wondered why I cant have heals, protect and raise if I have a healing LB - just doesnt make any sense and seems like they gave bard this LB because they couldnt think of anything else to give them

Correct me if I am wrong, but the LB button tells you what each class does. Melee does a single target damage move. Casters get aoe damage moves. And healers/ranged get a healing lb. So being 'new' and not knowing would of been fixed by reading. No one's fault but your own there. Sorry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHC11_KanzI

On the note of bard skills, wouldn't mind seeing Heal/Dark arrow. Those were awesome attacks in Eternal Sonata, and always a ton of fun (If your character h ad full HP when using Dark Arrow, IIRC, it healed the party instead, which was -awesome-)

Even though we bards are a support class, I don't see why we still have healing LB when we no longer use conjurer for a secondary class. I'd like to see it changed, but it won't be.

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Originally Posted by Dragonedge

All Lb´s are gonna be reworked . Job Related Limit Breaks are alsready in the works and Anounced. So i think maybe Bard will get the EES back (2h from FFXI Eagle Eye Shot, was the most devastating single target action you could get would fit in with Melee Lb just different Animation) =)

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wrong info. the animations are being reworked, not the limits themselves.

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Originally Posted by Kaze3434

wrong info. the animations are being reworked, not the limits themselves.

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So SMN and BLM will have unique LBs from each other? I'm excited to see what SMN gets, since it's likely BLM will keep the current one.

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Originally Posted by Corfish

So SMN and BLM will have unique LBs from each other? I'm excited to see what SMN gets, since it's likely BLM will keep the current one.

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yup. not sure where dragonedge got any info saying the limits themselves were changing, but they arent. it animation is changing tho. trying to remember what thread the reply was in about it.

edit-here is the thread about it
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...eak-Animations!!!

The real question is.What happened at the end?

Did the tank raise and you cleared the dungeon thus making you the hero? I hate cliffhangers.

I tried a few times with Warrior LB to try and last while everyone else dead to be the hero but never works. :(

The healer LB for BRD is a holdover from 1.0. I'm expecting it to change once we get at least one more ranged DD job to share the new LB with as they will have to be given an entirely new one (won't make sense for them to share the caster one).

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Originally Posted by Corfish

So SMN and BLM will have unique LBs from each other? I'm excited to see what SMN gets, since it's likely BLM will keep the current one.

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That wouldn't be very fair, would it? If everyone get something new I want it aswell :o

I think Mega-Flare would be fitting ^.^

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Originally Posted by Kuroyuki-Hime

That wouldn't be very fair, would it? If everyone get something new I want it aswell :o

I think Mega-Flare would be fitting ^.^

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Bahamut-Egi? :eek:

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Originally Posted by Kuroyuki-Hime

That wouldn't be very fair, would it? If everyone get something new I want it aswell :o

I think Mega-Flare would be fitting ^.^

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I think it would make more sense for Summoners to get the Mega Flare than BLMs.

I do want to keep the healer LB on my bard tyvm. With Chemist confirmed I'm hoping they will add something like ranger and those two can share their own limitbreak though it would make some sense that a chemist could do a heal LB atleast reading from how they are thinking about it.

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Originally Posted by ruskie

With Chemist confirmed

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Source please ? And chemist would get healing/buff LB. No way they get a damage LB. It doesn't fit the job

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Originally Posted by TeganLaron

I think it would make more sense for Summoners to get the Mega Flare than BLMs.

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Well, BLM got Flare :) (Shadow Flare does just not count :P)

How about SMN gets a gigant fat chocobo that drops from the sky (or charges through) *hrhr*

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Originally Posted by Kuroyuki-Hime

Well, BLM got Flare :) (Shadow Flare does just not count :P)

How about SMN gets a gigant fat chocobo that drops from the sky (or charges through) *hrhr*

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I would be 100% okay with that, but they better have his theme music play during the LB!

3 classes with the same limit break! how thoughtful!

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

Bahamut-Egi? :eek:

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Only one way to get it. Defeat Bahamut 200 times over on Extreme difficulty.

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Originally Posted by Kaela

Correct me if I am wrong, but the LB button tells you what each class does. Melee does a single target damage move. Casters get aoe damage moves. And healers/ranged get a healing lb. So being 'new' and not knowing would of been fixed by reading. No one's fault but your own there. Sorry.

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Yeah it does but I didnt even know that until I checked just now. Also going by that description the next range class/job will have it also.

Bards are uniquely gifted in the fact that they have a theoretically 100% uptime on their chosen target, able to continuously deal damage regardless of movement requirements and nearly all mechanics. Their DPS is very respectable compared to the current damage dealing classes/jobs, and they have the unique ability to grant massive resource (MP/TP) regeneration to everyone in range, including themselves. Additionally, they're the go-to class/job whenever a particular enemy needs to be silenced, as Blunt Arrow is significantly more reliable than Silent Dusk or Arm of the Destroyer.

If Archers/Bards had a damage-dealing Limit Break, what would be the point of bringing any other damage dealer to a raid?

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Originally Posted by Nahara

Bards are uniquely gifted in the fact that they have a theoretically 100% uptime on their chosen target, able to continuously deal damage regardless of movement requirements and nearly all mechanics. Their DPS is very respectable compared to the current damage dealing classes/jobs, and they have the unique ability to grant massive resource (MP/TP) regeneration to everyone in range, including themselves. Additionally, they're the go-to class/job whenever a particular enemy needs to be silenced, as Blunt Arrow is significantly more reliable than Silent Dusk or Arm of the Destroyer.

If Archers/Bards had a damage-dealing Limit Break, what would be the point of bringing any other damage dealer to a raid?

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Couldn't have said it better myself.