Even after all this time... still stuck on "Gale-force Warning" quest. (Garuda EX)

This is ridiculous.

Never has a battle been so subject to chance, be it getting into a group that knows what the attack patterns are, to the gear they're wearing and how much knowledge they have about the fight. Are the mechanics in this battle ultra difficult to adapt to or is it just me who keeps getting into baffling groups?

Yeah, I know. "Don't expect to win any primal EX battles with a DF group." Playing with randoms is always a pain in the @$$ on MMOs but what strikes me as odd is the fact that with MMOs - "Massive Multiplayer Online" - I'm supposed to play with other random people. So, what gives?

I'm an item level 84 Monk on Excalibur trying his damnedest to complete this quest and move on. I've been stuck on it since before my monitor gave out over a month ago, and prior to that I'd been trying for over a month to find a winning group.

I've tried it all. Party Finders, ventrillo, coordinating with other members and strategizing BEFORE the battle, but nothing yet has supplied a win even once.

At this point, if I don't complete the quest in the next month or so, even after acquiring all the best gear I can find, I think I'm just going to quit this game for good and go do better things with my time. This is ultimately blocking me from progressing through the story.

I love the Final Fantasy series, period. I love this game especially. Love the graphics. I love the mechanics of most components in this game. Crafting is wonderful. The user interface is very simple, easy to read, and easy to learn. But I HATE this battle, and I HATE the people who play it... most will give up after wiping even one time! Wasting my 2 hour wait on DF! HUFF!!!!!!!!

(Don't even bother mentioning Titan EX. The few people I've been able to talk to on the game have already filled my mind with nightmares.)

i need to do this too (on coeurl or id help). i havent given it a shot yet. ive just been running other things to gear up.
its just bad groups. i was in a CT group from hell last night. it happens. from what i have read, the extreme primals leave little margin for error. i can't imagine garuda ex in my mind. even on normal and hard it can be a tough fight if everyone isn't on their A game and know the mechanics.

lol wait for titan....garuda is x100 easier.

If you can't ( or cba ) to find a group of friends to do stuff with, you need to use party finder, never duty finder. If you are too impatient with PF groups, I guess then it's fair to quit....most things after garuda , besides dungeons, are aloooot harder, and much more frustrating in terms of random groups. Garuda must be a little more unpopular these days due to the possibility to have an i90 and i100 rings with tomes alone, thought that might be worth mentioning, maybe all the good players just aren't doing it anymore.

I've cleared Garuda Ex many times, but people struggle with it in DF.
I got a trial roulette with Garuda HM last night, and people wiped 4 times, and then started dropping. The problem with DF is that anyone can do it as long as they meet the minimum requirements, even having no prior knowledge of the fight. Sadly there is no way to check if they have completed it before (at least not until you're in the instance, but it's too late by then), you don't know if they have watched the fight on youtube to get the basics down, and you don't know if they internet connection can handle the instance and the things that it throws at them (this comes more into play with titan-like fights).

1/10, you might get a DF group that can get it together, and down in... but in the time it takes for all those tries and wipes, you could have just gotten a Pf and nailed it by then.

Play bard on that fight easiest job in the game by far.

I am currently leveling BLM (49...) to hopefully stand a chance at winning this battle. I've noticed in some groups people just drop after mentioning "omg, melee dps, im outta here" without even giving me a single shot.

That's part of why I say I hate the people who play this game. Like, seriously?... I may as well quit because I like to tell myself that I REFUSE to level a specific job just to make it past a certain point in a game. It's been like that for as long as I've lived. But I'll make an exception because I love BLM.

Our server seems to have difficulty with the simplest of things. It's almost pathetic, but there's ALWAYS one bad tank, one bad healer, or 1 bad DPS. It's the reason why i've never been able to pug Levi and get a win (100% of the time that win is with my FC)

Yah I hate the stigma of melee DPS in that fight. I honestly get more wipes from ranged AoEing and killing the Spiny than melee DPS who can't dodge WW or cross the twisters.

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Originally Posted by Raxiaz

Never has a battle been so subject to chance, be it getting into a group that knows what the attack patterns are, to the gear they're wearing and how much knowledge they have about the fight.

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Pretty much all contents after Garuda HM is like this. If you can't do it with PF groups, befriend experienced people or at least good players and make your own group with them. Eventually, you'll get the kill. You're still playing with random people but at least you know they are random good players.

You could always buy a win. People are still doing that these days.

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Originally Posted by A_Magical_Unicorn_Rider

You could always buy a win. People are still doing that these days.

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Never. I refuse to RMT.

I'd love to make friends with players who are experienced on Excalibur, but finding them is so difficult... especially when every dungeon run groups you with people from other servers! I like that for how fast it provides content, but hate it so much at the same time...

Hi Raxiaz,

Sounds like you guys need a good group. While I know the idea doesn't necessarily excite, if you are interested in server transferring, I know a FC who's got plenty of experience running that particular content and is actively recruiting. if interested, check us out at www.xoohq.com. :) Other than that my bes advice is find a good FC group on Excalibur and work with them to get though the challenge. I agree the Extreme primals are very demanding, but it's all doable once you have a team that is dedicated to the cause.

Good luck regardless.

-KM

OP,
I've cleared all EX primals with DF groups, from practice to finally clearing them....so DF group is not an excuse, and I play tank.
Like others mentioned, if you are having problem with Garuda, can't image what would be like when you face Titan...
Ifrit, Gauda, and Leviathan took me few days with DF groups, Titan took me weeks, and that's pre 2.2 with PS3 lags. lol
With echo buff it's much easier now, seriously...just keep trying....

The only tip i can give is, remember the fight.

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Originally Posted by Raxiaz

Never. I refuse to RMT.

I'd love to make friends with players who are experienced on Excalibur, but finding them is so difficult... especially when every dungeon run groups you with people from other servers! I like that for how fast it provides content, but hate it so much at the same time...

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Who said anything about RMT?

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Originally Posted by A_Magical_Unicorn_Rider

Who said anything about RMT?

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He meant that since Killing groups are asking for a 'small' price, he would have to resort to ways to get these Gils, other than playing normally and amassing the amount.

I am against it too as well, but hey, if somes are unable to complete it, they can pay, although I am concerned about the next content, if they will make it harder and harder..

OP: I just cleared Garuda EM yesterday night. I would suggest asking your FC (got one from there, others were.. absent >.<), then LS (good friends from old FC and other nice peeps, the rest PF.. if waiting is too long, DF for the missing ones.. (we ended up complete with our LS, 3 had already cleared it)

We asked in PF an average of 75, but most people were 85.

It was my 2nd try (first time was.. well. lets say it went wrong) rewatched a vid (been a while) Died stupidly (sometimes my fault, sometimes not) but everytime I was learning the patterns.. (MT here; watching 2 enemies slipstream was a first for me: i'll have to adjust the settings, but I did it nevertheless)

Without TS or mumble, it's very important to have patience and to communicate, be it with signs and waymarks too!

So getting that Echo buff 15% (and understanding the mechanics of the fight, we downed it close to the last minute)

And watching the 2 stack from spiny before pulling it (need macro <se.3> with a note) Communicate, hope for everyone to be patient (type it in PF comments, instead of "must have cleared it before" or any stupid comments lol) and you'll have your win!

Good luck, there is hope.

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Originally Posted by A_Magical_Unicorn_Rider

You could always buy a win. People are still doing that these days.

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The problem with that is you are not learning anything and what are you gonne do at Titan Ex, Ifrit, moogle mog, or levi then?

Exactly. I'm not going to buy a win because that's not the way I'm going to play this game, point-blank.

Most of the sellers of these clears are really just RMT diplomats anyway, that's what I meant by saying "I will never RMT."

Feel free to post the best strategies that have worked for you guys, especially where MNK or other melee DPS are present.

In the mean time, I'm going to focus on joining every party finder entry I see until I get it right. It's gonna have to happen sometime. I'm used to the fight... I just need capable peers to help with it.

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Originally Posted by Raxiaz

Most of the sellers of these clears are really just RMT diplomats anyway, that's what I meant by saying "I will never RMT.

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Not really, I even do sales with my FC and I live in the UK. As long we don't involve real life money making nor involving it, it's perfectly fine to do so. FCs sell wins because it's a way to make Gil and people want it. Buying wins doesn't mean you're bad, it's also people that are sick and tired of wiping because of incompetent players. People can complain or hate, but we're not going anywhere. Even sold a pack of Turn 5 runs to players, since some of the community were asking if we are selling wins for it. We don't bother anyone to buy our wins, they come to us.

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Originally Posted by Undeadfire

Not really, I even do sales with my FC and I live in the UK. As long we don't involve real life money making nor involving it, it's perfectly fine to do so. FCs sell wins because it's a way to make Gil and people want it. Buying wins doesn't mean you're bad, it's also people that are sick and tired of wiping because of incompetent players. People can complain or hate, but we're not going anywhere. Even sold a pack of Turn 5 runs to players, since some of the community were asking if we are selling wins for it. We don't bother anyone to buy our wins, they come to us.

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^ This. Mainly the boldness.

Well that's fine and dandy for you, honestly. No sarcasm there. I just don't trust anyone on my server who advertises it. :\

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Originally Posted by Raxiaz

Well that's fine and dandy for you, honestly. No sarcasm there. I just don't trust anyone on my server who advertises it. :\

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It's fine to feel paranoid about it, don't automatically trust people in MMOs. Reason people ask us, because we been selling wins since November 2013. We have worked our trust in the server and have a great reputation to getting the job done. We NEVER took someone's Gil and always followed our bargain. I don't mean to boast at all, I rather just tell you straight and be honest.

I agree with what you are saying about doing Garuda via Df its soul sucking that and grinding fates, I am considering having time away from them or failing that taking myself up to the tower in the observatorium and throwing myself off repeatedly lol

op, i understand your frustration , because i am going through this as well with titan ex. but as a dps , do you really have the right to complain and call others incompetent? as far as trial mechanics goes, most trials only requires dps to spam their rotation , avoid aoes and pay attention to their aggro lvl. whereas the requirements of tanks and healers are a bit more attention intensive. in other words, alot more is required of them. i hope you would see the light of things before you go around calling them incompetent.

Most of DF groups need 15-20% echo just to be able to kill garuda, because it is a dps check battle. If team disbands before that - they have not even tried to kill garuda but wasted time instead.
People did garuda before the echo, but with 1 healer. In DF there are 2 healers, so they must either both dps (very unlikely) or you need 20% echo to compensate this.
Other than that there are 3 ways team can fail.
1. Someone killed the spiny - mark the spiny 'target to ignore', it helps a lot with people who speak a different language.
2. Tanks forgot to provoke the spiny when 2 stacks are reached - create a macro with a sound signal so one of tanks will provoke when it is required.
3. DPS not knowing what to attack - mark garuda 'target to ignore' and adds by 1 and 2.
I killed garuda more times through DF rather than PF. Garuda is one of the very few endgame dungeons that are not a ping check, i hope there would be more dungeons like this. Next dungeons are a heavy ping check though.

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Originally Posted by lxSch

Most of DF groups need 15-20% echo just to be able to kill garuda, because it is a dps check battle. If team disbands before that - they have not even tried to kill garuda but wasted time instead.
People did garuda before the echo, but with 1 healer. In DF there are 2 healers, so they must either both dps (very unlikely) or you need 20% echo to compensate this.
Other than that there are 3 ways team can fail.
1. Someone killed the spiny - mark the spiny 'target to ignore', it helps a lot with people who speak a different language.
2. Tanks forgot to provoke the spiny when 2 stacks are reached - create a macro with a sound signal so one of tanks will provoke when it is required.
3. DPS not knowing what to attack - mark garuda 'target to ignore' and adds by 1 and 2.
I killed garuda more times through DF rather than PF. Garuda is one of the very few endgame dungeons that are not a ping check, i hope there would be more dungeons like this. Next dungeons are a heavy ping check though.

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Stop looking for excuse for the echo buff.
Echo buff simply makes fight easier, but you don't need it.
I did all EX primals via DF pre 2.2, 2 healers & 2 tanks, and only few people are i90.
You can clear any EX with i80+ gears with no issue. The only issue is whether the team knows the fight or not.

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Originally Posted by Langureion

Stop looking for excuse for the echo buff.
Echo buff simply makes fight easier, but you don't need it.
I did all EX primals via DF pre 2.2, 2 healers & 2 tanks, and only few people are i90.
You can clear any EX with i80+ gears with no issue. The only issue is whether the team knows the fight or not.

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I never did garuda ex with less than 15% echo (no matter if DF or PF team). I play a healer so you cannot say it was my fault for stacking echo - i simply told author my own experience. Idea is not to disband before you fail at 20% echo.

I just completed this by getting into a farm party (as you suggested) and had to hide the fact that I'd never completed the battle before, because farm parties will boot you if you haven't cleared the fight once before... haha.

Now I just need to prepare for another 3 months of attempting Titan EX. Woo

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Originally Posted by lxSch

People did garuda before the echo, but with 1 healer. In DF there are 2 healers, so they must either both dps (very unlikely) or you need 20% echo to compensate this.

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This is wrong information. People (including myself) did Garuda with 1 and 2 healers long before the echo update. The fight is not that big of a dps race. It's a matter of memorization and execution. "Hardest" job in there is the tank's having to deal with plume mechanic.

My advice to OP: Join a PF group.

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Originally Posted by Jekyll

This is wrong information. People (including myself) did Garuda with 1 and 2 healers long before the echo update. The fight is not that big of a dps race. It's a matter of memorization and execution. "Hardest" job in there is the tank's having to deal with plume mechanic.

My advice to OP: Join a PF group.

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No, this is not a wrong information. Many people did it with 1 healer and most of PF teams were set for 1 healer. Fight is a dps check, no matter big or small team will wipe if it fails.
Do i see your advice anywhere here? Do not ever post just to prove someone wrong - it is useless and harmful.
My "advice" to OP: join a team that knows what to do. For titan you will need a 20% echo buff, be sure echo haters will say i am wrong.

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Originally Posted by Raxiaz

I just completed this by getting into a farm party (as you suggested) and had to hide the fact that I'd never completed the battle before

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This is wrong on so many levels. If you're gonna join a farm party, at least let the leader know you haven't cleared it but will boot yourself out if you make party wiping mistakes.

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Originally Posted by lxSch

Many people did it with 1 healer and most of PF teams were set for 1 healer. Fight is a dps check, no matter big or small team will wipe if it fails.

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People didn't do it because it's a DPS check. People do it because the fight is easy enough to solo heal so they just want to get it done faster.

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Originally Posted by lxSch

For titan you will need a 20% echo buff, be sure echo haters will say i am wrong.

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I don't hate echo. It helps me make up for other people that are not as familiar to the fight as I do. You don't really need 20% echo per se. It just helps people recover from mistakes. It also helps killing the heart before circle bomb that so many people aren't good at dodging.

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Originally Posted by Lemon8or

This is wrong on so many levels. If you're gonna join a farm party, at least let the leader know you haven't cleared it but will boot yourself out if you make party wiping mistakes.

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If they downed the boss and he got what he wanted, what's the issue?

Congrats on the Win Raxiaz, and good luck with Titan, that one is subject to the wonders of server/client lag time, but it can be done.

-KM

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Originally Posted by Dalvy

If they downed the boss and he got what he wanted, what's the issue?

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The issue is people coming into a farm party expecting a certain level of mastery of the fight that usually takes clearing the fight to do so. It doesn't apply for Garuda EX as much since the eye and tornado phase repeats until enrage so as long as you see it once, you're good. If you do this to Titan where the last phase is a whole different monster, you're gonna get booted if you mess it up.

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Originally Posted by Dalvy

If they downed the boss and he got what he wanted, what's the issue?

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Never been in a Titan Ex 'Farm' party before, have you?

I'm sorry but all of the primal fights are easy, if you cant pass any of them how do you expect to do any coil runs past turn 4?

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Originally Posted by Lemon8or

People didn't do it because it's a DPS check. People do it because the fight is easy enough to solo heal so they just want to get it done faster.

I don't hate echo. It helps me make up for other people that are not as familiar to the fight as I do. You don't really need 20% echo per se. It just helps people recover from mistakes. It also helps killing the heart before circle bomb that so many people aren't good at dodging.

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If a certain fight is a dps check then it is reasonable to get as many dps as needed, right? Then in PF/DF team you cannot know how good other players are, so isn't it safer to ensure dps will be sufficient?
Everyone should understand that after a certain time of practice primal ex can be completed without echo, and it was proved in 2.1 many times. But echo is usually needed for people without enough practice, so they can complete the trial with a lesser learning time and gear.
Then statistic comes in place - all my garuda kills were at 15-20% echo while my friend did titan and ifrit at 20% (those fights are not much worth farming so it will be only 2 occasions). Based on statistic in 2.2 echo is needed for most of teams.

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Originally Posted by Hardware_Hank

I'm sorry but all of the primal fights are easy

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That's pretty subjective and doesn't really address the OP's problem.
What you find easy, someone else might find difficult and frustrating. What you find difficult and frustrating, someone else might find to be a walk in the park.

Everyone has different strengths and weaknesses.

Haha, that's how you do it. If you know you can beat but keep failing because of other people's mistake. Do it. Good luck in Titan though. Lol

Seriously. I know how to kill Garuda EX. Just because I hadn't cleared it doesn't mean I didn't know what to do and when to do it. Most of my failures were on the part of other people so please explain how I should be punished for others' mistakes? Hell, I died the least out of everybody who was in the group... lol people think clearing = experience... when in the same damn topic there are people suggesting to buy wins... the irony is abundant.

Currently watching all the Titan EX videos I can find on the internet to acquaint myself with the attack patterns before running lolz runs on DF. Are all players presumptuous arses or is it just on the forum?