The Other Primals

Well looking back on this old trailer of 1.0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXDMDvYu0Fc

it has a much clearer view of the events that released the primals during Silvertear lake's Aether seal destruction and the Primals becoming free near the end.

So anyone willing to guess what are the other Primals beyond Ifrit, Garuda, Rumah, Shiva, Titan, Leviathan, Odin, and Bahamut?

The trailer clearly shows each light orb being released from Silvertear lake is a Primal.

Due to how many there are, just about anything that was a summon previously (that hasn't been shown to not be a primal already).

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Originally Posted by ForteXX

Due to how many there are, just about anything that was a summon previously (that hasn't been shown to not be a primal already).

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ya but what the fun in saying every summon has a can be a primal.

Sadly Fenrir has been removed as a possible Primal because Fenrir is under the "Normal Boss Monster" Section in the FF14ARR Art book instead of the Primal Section.

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...ter-Fenrir.png

I think doomtrain would be a awesome battle
Alexander would be good too

I'm looking forward to the 40-person raid against Godbert.

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Originally Posted by Ddmk

I think doomtrain would be a awesome battle
Alexander would be good too

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It would be fun if DoomTrain was a Trial Boss in a future storyline that we have to defeat first before we can enter Garlemald. After that a cutscene will play having the Doom train transform back into a normal train that enters Garlemald. As of now it seems it is possible because Primals are mostly allowed to manifest if enough people believe in them and have the proper amount of Aether to bring them into this world. They can have Doomtrain start out as some kind of ghost story rumor and as we investigate the rumor about a "Haunted" train we eventually see it and it revealed to be Doomtrain which manifested because the large amount of Aether used to power the Garlean Train it has possessed and how members of the train started reciting the Doomtrain summon because they wanted to prove Doomtrain was not real but a simple ghost story.

Of course we all know how the "Recite the Ritual to summon a ghost" story always end up if it was a horror movie :p

Alexander can possibily be a Primal or a Garlean Super weapon since Alexander has been related to be both a powerful summon or a Super Weapon in past FF games.

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

I'm looking forward to the 40-person raid against Godbert.

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FOOL!

One does not simply raid against Godbert!

Godbert raids against you!

I can see ixion making it into the game,atomos won't due to CT sub boss, siren and diabolos are also out now, alex I can see making an appearance at some point, shiva and ramuh we know are coming.
Doomtrain or knights of the round and magus sisters, I'd love to see just not sure how they could fit .
Anima! Please please!
VAlefor is out due to CT as well.king cactaur would be fun, as well as pandemonium.
There are just soo many they can draw from.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

ya but what the fun in saying every summon has a can be a primal.

Sadly Fenrir has been removed as a possible Primal because Fenrir is under the "Normal Boss Monster" Section in the FF14ARR Art book instead of the Primal Section.

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Sadly a lot of primals aren't really considered summon material in FFXIV but a doggy primal isn't all but gone there's still hope for Cerberus hopefully.

Here's hoping to some Espers (Think FFTactics or FF12)!

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Originally Posted by Gormogon

Sadly a lot of primals aren't really considered summon material in FFXIV but a doggy primal isn't all but gone there's still hope for Cerberus hopefully.

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Sadly Cerberus is out of primal election as well since he has been confirmed to be one of the Boss in one of the upcoming Crystal Tower Raid.

They're following the Boss list from the Bottom to Top for their CT Boss Order in this art so Cerberus will be either in CT 2nd Raid or CT 3rd Raid.

http://gamerescape.com/wp-content/up...wer_bosses.jpg

(Scylla and Glasya Labolas are going to be the next two bosses in CT raid)

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Sadly Cerberus is out of primal election as well since he has been confirmed to be one of the Boss in one of the upcoming Crystal Tower Raid.

They're following the Boss list from the Bottom to Top for their CT Boss Order in this art so Cerberus will be either in CT 2nd Raid or CT 3rd Raid.

http://gamerescape.com/wp-content/up...wer_bosses.jpg

(Scylla and Glasya Labolas are going to be the next two bosses in CT raid)

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Cerberus in CT? Totally for it. Another dog can be a Primal then or be in combination with a Primal like the Summon Yojimbo.

Well yojimbo was essentially just FFxs answer to Odin, with the one shot kill move. Just a different look

Well let's look at all of the Summons that are, could be, or could have been primals in the Final Fantasy universe, shall we? Separated into lists.

Traditional Summons:

Alexander - Not Announced yet.
Atomos - Currently residing in Labyrinth of the Ancients.
Bahamut - Elder Primal, not able to be fought yet.
Behemoth - Fightable during FATE "Behold Now Behemoth" and its follow-up, "He Taketh It with His Eyes". Also appears as a mount and as a minion.
Carbuncle - Available as a Summon for Arcanists in "Topaz" and "Emerald" form. No announcement or sightings of "Ruby", "Pearl", or "Diamond" forms.
Catoblepas - Fought as a Boss in Halatali - Hard Mode.
Diabolos - Fightable as the final boss of The Lost City of Amdapour
Fenrir - No announcements, but has been sighted in the Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn Collector's Edition Artbook.
Gilgamesh - Fightable during the "Battle on the Big Bridge" trial.
Golem - A common enemy found across Eorzea, most notably found in The North Shroud and Outer La Noscea.
Ifrit - Primal, fightable in the normal, Hard Mode, and Extreme Mode "The Bowl of Embers" Trials.
Ixion - Not Announced Yet
Kirin - Not Announced Yet.
Lamia - Not Announced Yet.
Leviathan - Primal, Fightable in the Hard Mode and Extreme Mode "The Whorleater" Trials. (There is no Normal Mode)
Lich - Not Announced Yet.
Maduin - Not Announced Yet.
The Magus Sisters - Not Announced Yet.
Midgardsormr - Guardian of the Aetherial Seal at Silvertear Falls. Its death during combat against Garlean Airships resulted in beastmen able to summon Primals. While not a primal, its power is comparable to the Primals themselves.
Odin - Fightable during the FATE "Steel Reign".
Ramuh - A Primal worshipped by the Sylphs.
Shiva - Announced as a Primal at a later date.
Siren - Fightable as the final boss in Pharos Sirius.
Tiamat - Not Announced Yet.
Titan - Primal, fightable in the normal, Hard Mode, and Extreme Mode "The Navel" Trials.

Ivalician Summons:

Adrammelech, the Wroth - Not Announced Yet.
Belias, the Gigas - Referred to as an Elder Primal during the Level 50 Summoner Job Quest. Using multiple Summoner Soul Crystals, a Belias-Egi was summoned.
Chaos, Walker of the Wheel - Not Announced Yet.
Cuchulainn, the Impure - Not Announced Yet.
Exodus, the Judge-Sai - Not Announced Yet.
Famfrit, the Darkening Cloud - Not Announced Yet.
Hashmal, Bringer of Order - Not Announced Yet.
Mateus, the Corrupt - Not Announced Yet.
Shemhazai, the Whisperer - Not Announced Yet.
Ultima, the High Seraph - Not Announced Yet.
Zalera, the Death Seraph - Not Announced Yet.
Zeromus, the Condemner - Not Announced Yet.
Zodiark, Keeper of Precepts - An Elder Primal worshipped by the Ascians, whose power is said to rival that of Hydaelyn.

FFIV-Exclusive:

Asura - Not Announced Yet.
Mist Dragon - Not Announced Yet.

FFV-Exclusive:

Syldra - Not Announced Yet.

FFVI-Exclusive:

Bismarck - Not Announced Yet.
Crusader - Not Announced Yet.
Lakshmi - Not Announced Yet.
Seraph - Not Announced Yet.
Valigarmanda - Not Announced Yet.
Zone Seeker - Not Announced Yet.

FFVII-Exclusive:

Hades - Not Announced Yet.
Knights of the Round - Not Announced Yet.
Kujata - The Final Boss of the Marauder Class Quest Chain.
Typhon - No announcements, but has been sighted in the Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn Collector's Edition Artbook.

FFVIII-Exclusive:

Cerberus - No announcements, but has been sighted in the Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn Collector's Edition Artbook.
Doomtrain - Not Announced Yet.
Eden - Not Announced Yet.
Pandemona - Not Announced Yet.
Quetzalcoatl - Not Announced Yet.

FFIX-Exclusive:

Ark - Not Announced Yet.

FFX-Exclusive:

Anima - Not Announced Yet.
Valefor - Not Announced Yet.
Yojimbo - Not Announced Yet.

FFXI-Exclusive:

Garuda - Primal, fightable in the normal, Hard Mode, and Extreme Mode "The Howling Eye" Trials.

FFXIII-Exclusive:

Brynhildr - Not Announced Yet.
Hecatoncheir - There is a beastman race named Hecatoncheir that worked as slaves in the Copperbell Mines. However, they bear no resemblance to the original and are therefore considered to be completely unrelated.

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Originally Posted by HakuroDK

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Ya with how the list is going seems most summons will end up as Normal Bosses instead of Primals.

However, we are only fighting Primals in Eorzea so looking into the Primals on the Other Continents we will have to look into the Theme of a Continent but so far we only have Eorzea and Far East culture.

Such as if we were to gain access to Far East in 1st Expansion (remember this is only a IF statement) then the Primals in Far East may follow a Chinese/Japanese style theme. So it is possible for Yojimbo to be a Primal in Far East.

Or they may end up turning Yojimbo into a normal boss and have some kind of lore about how he is a Spirit of a fallen wandering Samurai that have been trapped in a new dungeon for *bla bla bla* reason.

As for the Cerberus part ya as mentioned before SE has set Cerberus as a Boss for CT raid. From the Art list Cerberus will be the 5th Major Boss in CT Raid.

We know Ramuh is coming, we know Zodiark is coming, We know that the 12 are a thing and technically considered primals.

We'll see more (considering the number of aether fueled bullets flew out of silver tear :/)

If Zodiark is coming it's going to give me nightmares all over again from Revenant Wings...Such a difficult fight, even Bahamut didn't make it any easier. Hit and run tactics all the way.

They have stated that Midrgardsormr is not a primal but a very powerful Dragon.

Merely looking at the Ivalician Summons in my list, if you remove Zodiark from the list, there are exactly 12 Summons. So if Zodiark were to be like the "Dark Hydaelyn", then it is feasible that the others would be kinda like "The Dark Twelve" or something. We already know that Zodiark and Belias exist. Belias is an Elder Primal, which puts it on the same level as Bahamut in power, and Zodiark itself is supposed to be as powerful as Hydaelyn.

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Originally Posted by DoctaruRavenbe

They have stated that Midrgardsormr is not a primal but a very powerful Dragon.

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Duly noted. I'll edit my list to reflect that.

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Originally Posted by HakuroDK

Traditional Summons:

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I love your list! Nice work.

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Originally Posted by HakuroDK

Merely looking at the Ivalician Summons in my list, if you remove Zodiark from the list, there are exactly 12 Summons. So if Zodiark were to be like the "Dark Hydaelyn", then it is feasible that the others would be kinda like "The Dark Twelve" or something. We already know that Zodiark and Belias exist. Belias is an Elder Primal, which puts it on the same level as Bahamut in power, and Zodiark itself is supposed to be as powerful as Hydaelyn.

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Actually the 12 scions of light are the names of the ascians. and 5 of the 12 are previous final bosses from FFI through V. Which i kinda want them to have their own themed dungeons. Famrit being Cloud of Darkness and more than likely will be tied into Crystal Tower.

doomtrain is the name of the train that the imperial use for resupply them base and move troup.

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Originally Posted by DoctaruRavenbe

Actually the 12 scions of light are the names of the ascians. and 5 of the 12 are previous final bosses from FFI through V. Which i kinda want them to have their own themed dungeons. Famrit being Cloud of Darkness and more than likely will be tied into Crystal Tower.

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I never really played much of FFXII, so I had to look that up. Used this link: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/E...Fantasy_XII%29


Though the way it's laid out, I do wonder if it's possible that each Ascian is an ascended Summoner who has been entrusted with a unique aetheryte crystal to summon these Elder Primals? Other than Ultima and Zodiark (which could be summoned collectively by the Ascians), it is possible that each Ascian could summon their respective Elder Primal.

Everyone who has played is already familiar with Lahabrea. According to the above link, his Elder Primal would be Mateus, the Corrupt. Others who have been introduced would have them as well. Pashtarot would be in possession of Zeromus, the Condemner, Igeyorhm would be in possession of Shemhazai, the Whisperer, and Nabriales would be in possession of Cuchulainn, the Impure. Elidibus, who we met briefly, could possibly be either a Lesser Ascian who would not possess an Elder Primal Aetheryte but still serves the cause, or he could be the key to summoning Ultima or Zodiark because they might, somehow, not be summonable by a single Ascian like the others are.

It's already clear that the Ascians possess great power and technology concerning primals, especially considering how they have used magical totems to amplify the power of ordinary primals far beyond limits they are supposed to reach.

I should note that this is all purely speculation and could be way, way off. But considering that the Ascians have been known to summon great beasts (during the very early main story quests) and are always constantly monitoring and challenging the adventurers' trials against the primals, even going so far as to using special totems to amplify each of the primals thus far... it is possible that they could possess far more power than they have ever even hinted at before. Lahabrea, as you may remember, was in Thancred's body when he was fought during the battle in Praetorium, so he probably lacked the power to summon Mateus at that point. But he could be back later.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

doomtrain is the name of the train that the imperial use for resupply them base and move troup.

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I still prefer DoomTrain being a Garlean Train that has become possessed by DoomTrain turning it into a Haunted Train due to the large amount of Aether crystals used to power a Megitek train and some fools who believed in the ghost story about Doomtrain which resulted in them turning the Garlean train into Doomtrain.

Also, have Yda and Papalymo help us with investigating the existance of Doomtrain with Papalymo being the one scared while inside Doomtrain due to the insides of Doomtrain's cart being all Haunted Train theme with not a single soul in sight while Yda remains the oblivious character of the train being Haunted part of the story. :p

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Originally Posted by SavageWolf

Here's hoping to some Espers (Think FFTactics or FF12)!

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Zodiark is mentioned in the lore. It's what the ascians are trying to summon

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

I still prefer DoomTrain being a Garlean Train that has become possessed by DoomTrain turning it into a Haunted Train due to the large amount of Aether crystals used to power a Megitek train and some fools who believed in the ghost story about Doomtrain which resulted in them turning the Garlean train into Doomtrain.

Also, have Yda and Papalymo help us with investigating the existance of Doomtrain with Papalymo being the one scared while inside Doomtrain due to the insides of Doomtrain's cart being all Haunted Train theme with not a single soul in sight while Yda remains the oblivious character of the train being Haunted part of the story. :p

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I love this idea so very much and would really fit into the current story!