Damage compare - Wave Bow :: Artimis Atma

I'm sure there's a tool out there that can help me figure this out, or the good members of this forum can answer.

I have a Wave Bow and a 3-book (Dex) Artemis Atma Bow with the following stats:

Artemis (i100): Dmg 41, Delay 3.28, Dex +37 Vit +35 Acc +37 SS +26

Wave: (i95): Dmg 42, Delay 2.8, Dex +34, Vit +39, Acc +27, Crit +39

Base damage of the Wave bow is higher but the new dex stat for the Artemis is +3 higher. The Wave bow has all that lovely Crit.

Which is the better choice for DPS on non-coil (I would go with Artemis for coil to get the extra Acc)?

Upgrade wave bow then compare again.

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Originally Posted by BamDeafPie

Upgrade wave bow then compare again.

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Um, I've cleared Leviathan over a dozen times and have not seen a mirror drop. Clearly Tidal Bow would be better but that's not my original question. Which weapon is best now?

So that's an upgraded version of Atma eh? I'd still say Wave Bow. 1 WD > better than 3 DEX. On top of that, you have insane amount of Crit.

Keep in mind, Artemis Bow Atma, isn't really an i100 bow. It still has the same stats as the i90 Artemis Bow Zenith, plus the stats you get from books. For all intents and purposes it's really still just an i90 bow. You don't get the i100 base damage until you actually complete all 9 books.

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Originally Posted by Classikal

Keep in mind, Artemis Bow Atma, isn't really an i100 bow. It still has the same stats as the i90 Artemis Bow Zenith, plus the stats you get from books. For all intents and purposes it's really still just an i90 bow. You don't get the i100 base damage until you actually complete all 9 books.

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He specifically said a 3 book Atma (all Dex).

He just wants to know what is better while he upgrades either or both, specifically for non-coil, so I assume that means he doesn't need the accuracy from either.

I'm no BRD expert, but I'd imagine 1 wpn damage and 39 crit beats 3 dex and 26 skill speed. Weapon damage isn't as good for bards as it is for other classes, but it isn't TERRIBLE either.

Edit: Annnnd you weren't replying to the OP but to the guy right above you. Sorry.

Wave is better. 3 dex doesn't beat 1 weapon damage.

Pretty sure it requires 6 dex to equal 1 weapon strength.

Wave bow is far better. Crit + weapon dmg = GG

Here's a quick reference:

Wave Bow > Artemis Bow Atma (Atma does not have true i100 stats, and 1 WD + 39 Crit > 3 Dex)
Artemis Bow Animus > Wave Bow (2 WD > 39 Crit)
Tidal Wave Bow > Artemis Bow Animus (WD is same, so Crit wins)

Keep in mind having your DoTs crit = Bloodletter reset which can make up or be more valuable than 1 (possibly 2) weapon damage.

No it(s doesn't .Weapon damage for dps is more important.
Even if you got some crits,it doesn't mean you will crit a lot more it's still a % of luck.So weapon damage >>>>everything.Stats matter when they're the same lvl.Only exeption would be MAY BE the SCH.

normal wave bow is even better than animus. skill speed yuck.

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Originally Posted by T1M0N

No it(s doesn't .Weapon damage for dps is more important.
Even if you got some crits,it doesn't mean you will crit a lot more it's still a % of luck.So weapon damage >>>>everything.Stats matter when they're the same lvl.Only exeption would be MAY BE the SCH.

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Ummm, what? If you have more crit, yes you will crit more. Sure there's not a big difference between 5% and 10%, but Bard gets a lot of tools for increasing their crit rate. They have the-- for all intents and purposes permanent-- straight shot buff + internal release every minute.

Bloodletter recast is 15s. That means your DoTs will tick 4 times in a chance to reset the CD (if they tick 5 it's already back up so w/e). If your average crit is hanging around 20% that's 4 chances of 20% meaning a total chance ~60% (I believe, someone correct me if my math is wrong) that your timer resets early.

It's basically a trade-off between long sustained damage and periods of burst, but giving that BRD is a burst class, I would prioritize the inconsistent, but potentially higher output over the somewhat lower sustained one. Really though, it would probably just be best to test it but I don't have the time or the weapon. I really doubt it matters much in the end though, gear stats in FFXIV are pretty stale, most builds with similar ilvl produce almost equivalent DPS etc.

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Originally Posted by T1M0N

No it(s doesn't .Weapon damage for dps is more important.
Even if you got some crits,it doesn't mean you will crit a lot more it's still a % of luck.So weapon damage >>>>everything.Stats matter when they're the same lvl.Only exeption would be MAY BE the SCH.

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Guess you dont understand bard very much .

Hands down Tidal Wave bow and your chances of getting it at least for many of us would be better then that of atma
i agree very much with givemeraptors

So does that mean our relic ( even with the customizable stats) will always suck cause of that one point?

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Originally Posted by MrSigy

normal wave bow is even better than animus. skill speed yuck.

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No, 2 extra weapon damage is far more important.

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Originally Posted by Maero

Hands down Tidal Wave bow and your chances of getting it at least for many of us would be better then that of atma
i agree very much with givemeraptors

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No, your chance of getting a tidal wave weapon is far worse.

It's pretty simple.

Tidal Bow > Artemis Animus > Wave Bow > Artemis Atma.

However, Artemis Animus will be upgraded in 2.25 and 2.3 and beyond because it's a job weapon. And it's easier to get compared to Tidal Bow. So yeah, never bothered with Levi weapon.

End of story.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

No, 2 extra weapon damage is far more important.

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Just wanted to second this. Weapon damage >>>>> anything else

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

However, Artemis Animus will be upgraded in 2.25 and 2.3 and beyond because it's a job weapon.

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Don't put your hopes too high.

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Originally Posted by Thorauku

Don't put your hopes too high.

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Japanese 2.2 live letter already said it would.

*Sob*

SMN share the same tier with Bard here

Spell Speed .... Yuck lol

This why I don't do Atma and No solid evidence in future Yoshida's say Zodiac complete weapon will able to add new stats like Determination or Critical or Accuracy (I doubt he mean Materia?)

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Originally Posted by Altimis

*Sob*

SMN share the same tier with Bard here

Spell Speed .... Yuck lol

This why I don't do Atma and No solid evidence in future Yoshida's say Zodiac complete weapon will able to add new stats like Determination or Critical or Accuracy (I doubt he mean Materia?)

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I suppose you didn't follow news? It's stated in one of the Japanese interviews and translated in reddit:

http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/000/824/824505/
http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...hip_regarding/

If you are lazy to read, I'll puck out the specific line that Yoshida said so:

"最終形態ではパラメータをいじれる要素も入る予定です。"

It means "in its final form (relic weapon), we plan to introduce the element to tweak it's parameters"

Which means, yes, when the Saga of the Zodiac Weapon final quest line which should be in patch 2.3 (according to the interview and live letters), you should be able to tweak it's stats, presumed to be secondary stats.

I mean if Yoshida say true

That his saying, for me, I dunno if he serious about this, its can change anytime

And no, I read it, I not hope too high

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Originally Posted by Altimis

I mean if Yoshida say true

That his saying, for me, I dunno if he serious about this, its can change anytime

And no, I read it, I not hope too high

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He already said it is planned. Scheduled. "予定です" that seals it.

And no a producer will not say something with "予定" for fun.

i would keep using the wave bow till you fully get your animus.

if you get Tidal Wave. then use that instead of both :D

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

No, your chance of getting a tidal wave weapon is far worse.

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Well you have no idea how many hours i have logged in this silly atma fates ;)
and not too mention how long it had taken for the crimson hat in Ct

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

It's pretty simple.

Tidal Bow > Artemis Animus > Wave Bow > Artemis Atma.

However, Artemis Animus will be upgraded in 2.25 and 2.3 and beyond because it's a job weapon. And it's easier to get compared to Tidal Bow. So yeah, never bothered with Levi weapon.

End of story.

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again going back to my comment, only easier if rng favors you which in my case it has not

Still would rather farm Levi EX
Besides the High Allagan weapon from T9 i believe is still the best

People have been farming Leviathan since the release of 2.2 and haven't gotten a mirror. The drop rate is stupidly low and then you have to roll against 7 other people.

rightfully so with it being a low drop. its a free i100 wep. it shouldnt be 1 week and done with all