Possible new job thoughts. - Spoilers -

Finally got around to unlocking Leviathan, so I saw the cut-scenes with Thancred and whats-her-name.


Seems she is pretty enclined to start teaching her skills ASAP, so that leads myself and others to believe that this is hinting at new jobs, sooner rather than later.

From her near/far? east description and fighting style, I would guess she is a Ninja, including a ground-stab-explosion mejin gakure?

Thancred is described as having a less than honest past and strikes a few foes from behind, like a Theif.

So, we have a possible ??? -> Ninja + Thief setup coming along that matches the ARC -> SMN/SCH example that preceded it.

None of this is new information.

My question is, will a new item class be added 'Dual knives' or will we have a class of off hand daggers added.

1 item, both hands.
2 items.

If it is 1 item, two hands, that does limit how much we can customize our stats, but it would streamline relic quests and drops.

Thoughts?

2 handed sword dps or go home.

If you saw a 2-handed sword dps in any of the cut-scenes let me know, I'm talking about the dual wielders in the main story.

It's probably going to be like monks. They equip one slot but get gloves on both hands.

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Notice that in that cut scene, both Thancred and Yugiri (i.e. what's-her-name) are using pairs of matching daggers. While this isn't necessarily indicative of any weapon mixing or matching options to be made available to the THF/NIN jobs and base class, I've become convinced that dual daggers will work in a manner similar to the PGL/MNK fists, where you equip a single item and wield one in each hand, as Tiggy said. Perhaps if we could see the other hand of the Miqo'te in the Through the Maelstrom promotional art, we could be more certain.

What about THF single dagger w/option of dual wield or shield via offhand slot?

I dont think it's going to be ???-> Thief and Nin. cause if you look at SMN/SCH, they are different roles. So i think other dual jobs will be different roles too.
This is where those Hymn items come in too; the jobs use different stats, so you cant be optimal on 2 jobs. So you kinda need to pick a stat, and be a little gimp on the other.
So i think it would be more like a str job, and a dex job.
Also i think it's more likely to be that *brotherhood* that will be class guild.

Separate equips for each hand would be great, but it's more likely they'll go with the simpler option. For example, suppose that there are individual daggers in each hand. How would they implement relics, extreme primal weapons, and Trials of the Braves? Paladin weapons and shields each require fewer exchange items, which combined total an amount equal to that which other jobs use for just a weapon, e.g. 2 Thavnarian Mist for Curtana and 1 for Holy Shield versus 3 Mist for every other weapon. If Thief/Ninja has interchangeable main and off hand weapons, how will they split the odd numbered amounts of tokens exchanged to obtain these items? They could make dedicated main and off hand options, but I don't like that.

That said, if there are single equips for THF/NIN, I would still like to see mismatched pairs on occasion, separate models for each dagger. They could give us Valiant Knife and Chicken Knife as a set!

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Originally Posted by Quintalian

Kazamoto! Long time no see, pal. Have a like. XD

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Hey there! looks like we are all scattered, bunch of us on Hyperion, others on Balmung, now you on Sargan...

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Originally Posted by Radacci

I dont think it's going to be ???-> Thief and Nin. cause if you look at SMN/SCH, they are different roles.

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They could follow the FFXI example/bastardization that was eventually supported and make NIN a tank.

Then we would have a Tank and support-dps coming out of a common source job.

On that same note, if it is to be a parry/evasion tank, dex would make sense, but if it were to be a pure dps, STR would be prefered.

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Strength is the primary damage dealing stat for melee classes and jobs such as lancer, pugilist, marauder and gladiator. Higher strength equals higher Attack Power for these melee classes. Strength also increases the amount of damage you mitigate when you block or parry an enemy attack.

Dexterity

Dexterity is the primary damage dealing stat for ranged classes and jobs such as archer and bard. Higher dexterity means higher attack power for archer and bard. Dexterity also increases the rate of your block and parry. The higher your dexterity is, the more likely you are to block or parry an enemy attack.

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main hand could be a katana/dagger that acts as the main damage focus for the class/job while the offhand could be a "parrying dagger" that focuses more on increasing rate of parry as well as dmg mitigation through parrying.

I would think maybe thief and dancer from what comes next.

I can guarantee you this, if they made ninja a blink-tank like players made the FFXI ninja job become then that would solve the tank shortage in this game. The majority however has already voiced that they do NOT want this lol.

Like the admiral in Limsa, a job based on fireguns.
Could be guns that fire some effect on foes.

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Originally Posted by Quintalian

Perhaps if we could see the other hand of the Miqo'te in the Through the Maelstrom promotional art, we could be more certain.

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Looks to me like that Miqo'te is holding the Lalafell in their other hand. I always assumed they were catching them so they didn't go overboard. The boats tipping down and they're all falling, so the movement of their hair and clothes is blowing opposite the direction their bodies are moving. But the Lalafell's legs and robes are going towards the tipping side of the boat, indicating he's being pulled backwards.

Thief: Dagger main-hand Lalafell off-hand confirmed!


No but seriously. It would be neat to have two separate weapons, but I also hate having to gear dual wield characters, by farming two weapons. Especially with all the unique/untradeable. Can't even use 2 of the same knife.

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Originally Posted by Sessurea

2 handed sword dps or go home.

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Samurai anyone? :P I'd drop BRD as my off-class in a heartbeat for that. That or Dark Knight.

Exorcist! I want pew pew magicks!

Isn't it possible that the "Thancred/Thief" type is just the class, and the "Yugiri/Ninja" is the job? To me, Thief and Ninja are too similar to split off from the same class.

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Originally Posted by Quintalian

Perhaps if we could see the other hand of the Miqo'te in the Through the Maelstrom promotional art, we could be more certain.

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Even if we could see the other hand, and it was empty, I would still want to know what weapon is in the right hand. Definitely isn't a PLD weapon based on the perceived size and grip. Almost wanted to say it is a bow, but the hilt ends before the body and it lacks strings.

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Originally Posted by Callo

Isn't it possible that the "Thancred/Thief" type is just the class, and the "Yugiri/Ninja" is the job? To me, Thief and Ninja are too similar to split off from the same class.

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I actually didn't think of it this way but it is certainly possible.

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Originally Posted by Callo

Isn't it possible that the "Thancred/Thief" type is just the cl--

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Let me stop you right there.

All jobs are named for established FF jobs. All classes have names that are not already established FF job names. In the Japanese version class names are as simple as "sword wielder" and "bow wielder". New classes and jobs would most likely follow this pattern.

Thief is a job. If it becomes a class, I'll eat my tinfoil hat.

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Originally Posted by Quintalian

Let me stop you right there.

All jobs are named for established FF jobs. All classes have names that are not already established FF job names. In the Japanese version class names are as simple as "sword wielder" and "bow wielder". New classes and jobs would most likely follow this pattern.

Thief is a job. If it becomes a class, I'll eat my tinfoil hat.

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Small details aside, I think I know what they were getting at.

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Originally Posted by Quintalian

Perhaps if we could see the other hand of the Miqo'te in the Through the Maelstrom promotional art, we could be more certain.

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If we're talking about the male miqo'te just above the Lalafell in the centre... he's clearly holding some elaborate knife/shortblade in his right hand. Can't tell what's in the left hand though (unless throwing Lalafell has become a way to beat certain fights and nobody told us)

Hinted at through the CSs

THF NIN

Possibly hinted at

Assassin

Hinted at through "far east" theme, and "doma"

SAM, elementalist, blue mage

Side note, SE could win a lot of points if the SAM job or the katana class leader's name is Cyan

As much as I love the Ideas of SAM, or anything else, this thread is intended to discuss the possible dual wielding class hinted at in the story.

This is not to say I wouldn't LOVE to play DRK, SAM, or PUP again, but there isn't much hint to them yet, and threads that go off topic seem to get locked...


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I am still hoping in THF and NIN being jobs.. and since its mah thread and i do what i want. I say the base class is Bandit. for reasons.

And I also hope its 1 item, both hands, but both daggers need not match.

I want gunblades! SE, GIMME GUNBLADES. They exist in this game, SO GIMME!

^ Some people just want to watch the world burn... and not read.

Really..really..really hope Ninja isn't made into an evasion style tank again. Easiest solution, just dont use shadow like spells. The elemental powders were fine, but the Utsusemi powders, no.

I like Thief/Assassin type of job types, skulking around in the shadows, dagger tosses, sneak attacks, things like that. But it should remain a DPS class. Possibly support in a sense.

I'm thinking that both Thief and Ninja will split off from a common class, possibly "Rogue" or something similar.

If they DO split off from the same class, though, I doubt that they'll both be DPS largely because it seems kind of pointless to have a split at all if both splits are serving essentially the same function. I suppose you could make an argument for "support DPS" vs "straight DPS", but it still seems off to me.

If we do accept that the split will fill two different roles, neither Thief or Ninja seems suited for a Healer role, and so one of them would likely wind up as a Tank instead. Between Thief and Ninja, if one were to be a Tank I'm guessing it will wind up being Ninja for the simple reason that, whether you LIKE the fact or not, FFXI has established Ninja as a tanking role in the Final Fantasy MMO community.

But who knows? Maybe SE will surprise us. Ninja medic for the win!

I love how everyone is like "OMG Ninja!" but completely ignored the obvious plug of a musketeer made by the Admiral (I'm not even gonna try spelling her name >_>) I felt like that scene where she is shoot while the other two are doing their weird agile moves was so obviously point out a Ninja and Musketeer thingy that it wasn't even worth discussing ._.

That's because musketeer was promised, they have a guild, there are guns all over the place in Eorzea, (even just sitting on tables in Hauke Manor) yet still no musket job, it will get here when it gets here, but theres no sense beating a dead chocobo about it, we have a new chocobo to beat to death!