Titan titan titan titan titan titan...

Oh how I hate the extreme mode.

Oh how I hate that you have to do it in order to do Levi EX.

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TITAN!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

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Shame because Levi EX is much easier. heh

I beat him today. it's more a point of perseverence to find 7 other players that know the fight than actually executing it.

but gating content the way theyve done with ex primals and new coil turns is still stupid. a LOT of players will get left behind if they dont drop that requirement soon.

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Originally Posted by IgnisFatuus

I beat him today. it's more a point of perseverence to find 7 other players that know the fight than actually executing it.

but gating content the way theyve done with ex primals and new coil turns is still stupid. a LOT of players will get left behind if they dont drop that requirement soon.

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They've made it so all the players can effectively play with gear beyond the level of those of us who earned it at the old content cap. I don't think they need to drop the requirement - people just need to play better.

Did a learning pt last night, got the fight pattern in 3 fights...not so much for everyone else. So today I joined an "Experienced only" Titan ex pt.....I was usually the last alive, some people even died on the first set of plumes -.-

Not trying to sound elitist, but how hard is it to group up, then move out for slide/plumes? You literally have like 2 buttons to press.

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

They've made it so all the players can effectively play with gear beyond the level of those of us who earned it at the old content cap. I don't think they need to drop the requirement - people just need to play better.

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im not asking for handouts. people will still wipe if they don't have a clue. just let them wipe at something new for a change.

2.2 is virtually just a big carrot for many people in my fc. content should be available to everyone (not the same as beatable). personally, i also think the buffs are a completely wrong way to get people to play "right".

Rabits rabits rabits rabits rabits rabits rabits rabits rabits... ... ... Rabits rabits rabits rabits rabits rabits.

+1 to anyone who gets that reference :/ lol.

Titan EX has been and will remain to be (at least till something else comes along, maybe first expo) the first MAJOR content hurdle that people face. And I mean MAJOR garuda is hard but the general consensus is not as hard as Titan EX. You are not alone in your suffering. While I may have cleared all the EX primals my free company (and even my FC static coil group) has yet to best him.

Titan EX has little room for error while the other extremes you can get hit but stuff and not die

I still haven't been able to get past titan extreme. The 2 main additions in 2.2 are locked to a large potion of this games playerbase. Can't do Leviathan ex or new coil because they're locked behind titan and twintania. The problem with titan is post heart. Every party I've tried it with like half the people die on the first set of bombs. Trying to avoid bombs and landslides is too much for most players apparently. I'll probably get to try Leviathan and the next coil around patch 2.4 or so.

I find Titan extreme easy because there's a lot of structure. For example, Titan hard most people just ran around putting plumes wherever they feel like, whereas extreme everything is placed in one spot or in two during double plume.

There's a lot you can do if you're having trouble with extreme mode:

- If you don't have the best memory in the world, put aside some time to study exactly where you need to be until you're 100% confident.
- Create a group where you will kick or reform if there are people dying.
- If you have latency issues, look into programs that will help you get over them such as Pigzapper. Pingzapper actually has a free trial. You'll be disconnected every hour, but one hour is more than enough to clear titan extreme.
- Join a linkshell for extreme modes. I'm in one and there's always someone 1-shot farming them.
- If you can't find a linkshell, join a FC that can and will clear it for you. If you preform well, they may invite you to help other people in the FC.

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Originally Posted by Pylfer

Rabits rabits rabits rabits rabits rabits rabits rabits rabits... ... ... Rabits rabits rabits rabits rabits rabits.

+1 to anyone who gets that reference :/ lol.

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RATS! RATS! RATS!

+10 to anyone who gets that reference. :3

I dont know who in their right minds ever designed Titan, but I swear they better NEVER put another primal fight like that in game...It really is the sloppiest dev design of all time to just throw insta kill mechanics at your players and let them dance around them. Give me challenges and hard content any day over something you have to memorize and just pray you have no lag while moving around.

I have cleared it, but then you always have others who need to get past it and no one in their right minds actually WANTS to do that shitty fight ever again. I would send a batch of chocolate chip cookies to the dev who redesigns it or just obliterates it from the game to never see the light of day again.

Who wants to take bets on how long it takes the general bulk of titan complainers to reach t7 and really let the tears run about unforgiving fights?

Titan is a joke in comparison.

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Originally Posted by SarcasmMisser

Who wants to take bets on how long it takes the general bulk of titan complainers to reach t7 and really let the tears run about unforgiving fights?

Titan is a joke in comparison.

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I completely disagree with the comparison. T7 is extremely unforgiving of mistakes (much harder than Titan!), but everything has time to be set up and you can control/slow down certain mechanics if you're clever and careful about it. The only ability that requires fast reaction times is the ability from that last add, but literally everything else is about coordination and awareness.

Titan requires a lot of fast reaction and the margin for error is extremely small for these abilities. Some days I'll see the cast bar start for Weight of the Land and then be dead because of a millisecond of lag or bad latency. Others, I'll anticipate the cast (which I generally have to do to dodge, it's too late once the markers show up) and end up killing somebody because I was slightly early. The only mechanics that I really enjoy in Titan is Landslide + Bombs, everything else is a pain in the ***.

I actually quite enjoy Titan Ex, and personally find it much easier than Garuda Ex. I also like that they put the echo buff in simply because it gets people to stay around for more than one attempt.

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Originally Posted by dejavutwo

I actually quite enjoy Titan Ex, and personally find it much easier than Garuda Ex. I also like that they put the echo buff in simply because it gets people to stay around for more than one attempt.

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Sadly it doesn't. As I've mentioned before, I've had quite a few people drop out the second we get echo

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Originally Posted by eagledorf

I completely disagree with the comparison. T7 is extremely unforgiving of mistakes (much harder than Titan!), but everything has time to be set up and you can control/slow down certain mechanics if you're clever and careful about it. The only ability that requires fast reaction times is the ability from that last add, but literally everything else is about coordination and awareness.

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Do you just disagree with the comparison, which was a point on how unforgiving the fight is on errors rather than the mechanics, or think Titan is harder as well? If the latter I cannot disagree more, as someone who has cleared both of these things. That's all I can say really.

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Originally Posted by SarcasmMisser

Who wants to take bets on how long it takes the general bulk of titan complainers to reach t7 and really let the tears run about unforgiving fights?

Titan is a joke in comparison.

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Unforgiving doesn't equate to "die because you moved 1/4th of a second too late". Punishing mechanics that require cooperation? Much easier for a good group to deal with.

i queue like 1 hour to get into titan ex, 4 times until i finally down him
now another nightmare irfit ex, it not that hard but 2 hr queue time stop me from attempt the encounter

ask FC to help? well they enjoying their levi EX and coil2 , not that they don't want to help they just not hav time anymore
with each passing day - less levi ex practive on PF list, i think by the time i have enough time to queue for irfit and complete it, everyone will hav levi on farm and i got left behind coz of lack of playtime again

it a mistake that i sub for 60 days for this patch, i think next patch i sub for 30 days and wait till next patch,

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Originally Posted by KoujiMoreno

RATS! RATS! RATS!

+10 to anyone who gets that reference. :3

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BADGER BADGER BADGER BADGER
BADGER BADGER BADGER BADGER
BADGER BADGER BADGER BADGER
MUSHROOM MUSHROOM

+0, because everyone on the interwebs should get that reference.

Obviously we all need to get a party of miners in there to pick him to death and get lots of Titan Ore out of it. ;) New strat

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Originally Posted by SarcasmMisser

Do you just disagree with the comparison, which was a point on how unforgiving the fight is on errors rather than the mechanics, or think Titan is harder as well? If the latter I cannot disagree more, as someone who has cleared both of these things. That's all I can say really.

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I disagree with the comparison for the reason Tandy has pointed out. T7 = a really good fight and really fun to figure out ow to handle all the mechanics whereas Titan = not fun or a cooperative effort at all (I mean, stacking, baiting, and tank swaps, but that's it)

For people that have latency problem for titan EX, you just need to stand behind the group (assuming you the rest stack behind titan's butt). So if they eat one, they can still easily live through it (and possibly even easier to live through with the echo buff). Of course, that's assuming you can still dodge landslide.

And a lot of things can be dodge preemptively, you just need to know the move that happens before it. Although this is not possible if you have lag spikes, not just a small latency.

I think the ex primals are actually pretty doable now with the buff. That said, the buff does *NOT* replace knowing the fight, but it does help parties who were not quite making it before.

compared to levi EX i find titan harder O.o lol

not because its really hard but its really hard to find 7 ppl can dodge

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Originally Posted by Tandy

I dont know who in their right minds ever designed Titan, but I swear they better NEVER put another primal fight like that in game...It really is the sloppiest dev design of all time to just throw insta kill mechanics at your players and let them dance around them. Give me challenges and hard content any day over something you have to memorize and just pray you have no lag while moving around.

I have cleared it, but then you always have others who need to get past it and no one in their right minds actually WANTS to do that shitty fight ever again. I would send a batch of chocolate chip cookies to the dev who redesigns it or just obliterates it from the game to never see the light of day again.

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What's wrong with instant-kill mechanics when they are trivial to dodge? If you are lagging then you'll have trouble with any fight requiring reflexes - the alternative being to dumb down all fights and make them very glacial and slow-paced.

You have to be hit by two Weight of the Lands to die (some jobs can even survive two), and Landslide has a very long cast time (and always gets placed in the same spots, more or less).

You don't even have to memorise Titan EX. Everything is dodgeable by reflex so long as you know how to dodge it. Healers benefit strongly from knowing when Tumult and Mountain Buster are coming up, but aside from that... I always thought Titan EX was well designed and a good fight; people are just horrible at it.

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Originally Posted by IgnisFatuus

im not asking for handouts. people will still wipe if they don't have a clue. just let them wipe at something new for a change.

2.2 is virtually just a big carrot for many people in my fc. content should be available to everyone (not the same as beatable). personally, i also think the buffs are a completely wrong way to get people to play "right".

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All updates in this kind of MMORPG will be a "big carrot on a stick." Also no, true MMOs will gate content and keep people playing. Leaving content "available to everyone" is why MMOs get boring fast because all content will laid out and beaten very very quickly.

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Originally Posted by Raenryong

Landslide has a very long cast time (and always gets placed in the same spots, more or less).

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Landslide will target a party member so controlling it while other things are going on is actually a matter of party coordination. This is why I think it's one of the few good mechanics in Titan.

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Originally Posted by dejavutwo

I actually quite enjoy Titan Ex, and personally find it much easier than Garuda Ex. I also like that they put the echo buff in simply because it gets people to stay around for more than one attempt.

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Echo won't help much if you get Landslided off. The Echo certainly helps for Titan's stricter DPS checks, but it will mean jack if no one can dodge the Landslides.

The Extreme Primal progression makes no sense anyway. Aside from a general stricter group check, Ifrit is honestly the easiest of the 3. Leviathan Extreme isn't so bad because the only thing that changes when transitioning into Phase 2 is that the training wheels are kicked off, and from what I've heard, Mog Extreme is only tough on the tanks.

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What's wrong with instant-kill mechanics when they are trivial to dodge?

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http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/im...n_extreme1.jpg

There is absolutely nothing about something like that that I'd call "trivial to dodge" but looking at who made this statement I'm not at all surprised that it was made

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You have to be hit by two Weight of the Lands to die (some jobs can even survive two),

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The standard practice in the fight is to stack all five on them on top of each other. What do you think will usually happen if you're hit by one?

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and Landslide has a very long cast time (and always gets placed in the same spots, more or less).

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This only occurs when everyone besides the tank is all running to the exact same places at the exact same times. Which takes precise coordination. Most randoms won't have it.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/im...n_extreme1.jpg

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from the 1st time i saw that pic i became scared from even trying him

but after killing it i was like :(

the fight is way easier than what the trailer showed up

Well, after actually getting to that point in the fight, I think it's still just as awful as the image indicates

To dodge a landslide, you strafe. The cast time is very long. In some cases you won't even be targeted. You will always be safe strafing unless you're caught right against the edge and he is close to you, as there is a sizeable gap between each landslide line.

To dodge a bomb you just stand on the last to pop and move to the site of the first to pop after it has exploded (in general cases). You can even eat one bomb unless a transition is occurring at the same time!

Yes, all five weights are stacked, but they're also easy to dodge as the cast time is long enough to strafe out of very comfortably. I can sympathise with people eating one weight if people are not stacked, but you should not eat more than that.

The only part of Titan EX which I would not say is trivial to dodge is basically the first half of the post-heart phase (+ and X bombs combined with landslides and weights). The rest of the fight is just a reflex test (assuming you don't know the rotation), and not an extremely difficult one. Strafing defeats it.

EDIT: Just to be clear, I don't think Titan is trivial as a whole. I think it's quite a difficult fight overall, but this difficulty arises not from the challenge of any particular dodge (except the one I mentioned above), but just the fact that it is extremely unforgiving. It's basically an endurance mechanics test (with some DPS checks here and there). I just don't think it's badly designed.

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Yes, all five weights are stacked, but they're also easy to dodge as the cast time is long enough to strafe out of very comfortably.

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Well, I don't agree with that, but this most likely is coloring your opinion of the fight. I feel the time given is way too strict (it's definitely not dodged "very comfortably")

step 1: write down the moves from every phase and memorize them.
step 2: watch a Titan vid with your job POV until you can predict every move.
step 3: recruit a PT in party finder (NOT DUTY FINDER) with your current iLV (at least 85) as minimum.

when everyone is exp and noone lags you beat Titan Ex.

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step 2: watch a Titan vid with your job POV until you can predict every move.

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Problem is, even if you can predict when moves will happen, you can't always predict where they will hit unless everyone is on the exact same page.

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when everyone is exp and noone lags you beat Titan Ex.

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So basically, almost never :p

I wonder who does titan ex with DF... special those who claim it beeing easy?

I have not tried Titan EX as much I've had with Titan HM, probably only a dozen times, most of them in 2.2. Mostly because of my connection but I think I've found a vpn service that works for me last week so I've been trying more because dodging stacked plumes is not a problem anymore. The thing is, I've only been in a DF party that can actually last long enough to get echos twice. TWICE. And I still have not gone past the first set of gaolers! And I still only saw that twice! It's crazy. I literally don't know what's going wrong since I was too busy grabbing those two gaolers. I only see empty life bars after I got them in position. People just can't seem to consistently dodge things in titan ex and the punishment is way too severe. If it's not player A this attempt, it's player B, then Player C next attempt, etc. It's not that people don't know when to dodge, they're already dodging because it's the very same attack at the same phase they've dodge previous attempts, it's the latency checks failing them.

Anyway, if the echo is meant to help non-hardcore players get past content, it's clearly failing on this particular fight. Party finder is not an option because 99% of the PFs for it asks for 'one shot' (I've never been in a one shot coil PF that actually one shots the content) and will check for clears with ifrit. Making my own PFs is also not an option for me because some people simply cannot dodge plumes consistently and I cannot be stern at them when up until a week ago, I was in their position and might very well be still in their position right now. Plus I don't even have any decent experience post heart (first paragraph) to lie through my teeth to get into experienced parties; they'll find out soon enough.

It's really frustrating to see a fight that's designed to heavily rely on latency when SE and yoship isn't willing to go the distance to provide a smooth experience with it (I don't want to hear excuses on this). I've read that yoship wants to aim for people who have never tried for mmos. I have no opinions on that but I do know that for the majority of those people, the fun will definitely stop at Titan EX, if not Titan HM. That's if their interaction with other players haven't ruined the game for them.

Titan EX makes me cry because I'll probably never get passed him to get to Levi EX. Why Square, WHY? ;O;

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Originally Posted by Raenryong

What's wrong with instant-kill mechanics when they are trivial to dodge? If you are lagging then you'll have trouble with any fight requiring reflexes - the alternative being to dumb down all fights and make them very glacial and slow-paced.

You have to be hit by two Weight of the Lands to die (some jobs can even survive two), and Landslide has a very long cast time (and always gets placed in the same spots, more or less).

You don't even have to memorise Titan EX. Everything is dodgeable by reflex so long as you know how to dodge it. Healers benefit strongly from knowing when Tumult and Mountain Buster are coming up, but aside from that... I always thought Titan EX was well designed and a good fight; people are just horrible at it.

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Whats wrong with insta kill mechanics is when a fight has nothing BUT insta kill mechanics. Weight of the Lands stacked up are death even with 25% echo. Landslide is pretty much always insta death if you get hit by it.

And I am sorry, but if you have very small lag or latency in most any other fight you have FAR FAR less problems than with Titan.

To argue otherwise is to willfully stick your head in the sand and ignore most other people saying how other fights in the game are easier than Titan because of this. There is no other fight in the game that is just "Memorize and Move".

If you find Titan well thought out and an engaging fight then have at it, but I prefer fights where you actually think, react and strategize with your group....not memorize something and everyone move around like stepford wives going through their daily routines to get it right.