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(There’s no guarantee all future instances will fit the definition of “dungeon,” and it’d just be ridiculous and flat out wrong to call something that isn’t a dungeon a dungeon, right? But even a small party of people can raid a given location, dungeon or otherwise. Just sayin’.)

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If you raid a fridge, do you call the fridge a raid? No you don't.
If you raid Fort Knox, do you call Fort Knox a raid? No you don't.
If you raid Iraq, do you call Iraq a raid? No you don't.

Just sayin’

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If you saying the reason he called the 8 man dungeon "raid" is maybe it's because the max party is 8? which = max people within the dungeon which then = raid top of that it the endgame event for us right now. I bet when we get level cap 60 it wont be much of a raid anymore.

Wiki says:
-Raid (military), a sudden attack behind an enemy's lines without the intention of holding ground
-Raid (gaming), a type of mission in a video game where a very large number of people combine forces to defeat a powerful enemy
-Panty raid, a prankish raid by male college students on the living quarters of female students to steal panties as trophies lol
There's more meanings of "Raid" but I don't think they matter.

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Originally Posted by Coldfire

Wiki says:
-Raid (military), a sudden attack behind an enemy's lines without the intention of holding ground
-Raid (gaming), a type of mission in a video game where a very large number of people combine forces to defeat a powerful enemy
-Panty raid, a prankish raid by male college students on the living quarters of female students to steal panties as trophies lol
There's more meanings of "Raid" but I don't think they matter.

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a type of mission in a video game where a very large number of people combine forces to defeat a powerful enemy

Which large number in ffxiv is 8 i bet if it still was 15 players wont be talking so much s*** about it being called raid -.-.

btw i love the 3rd one overall :)

Yes, use of the word 'raid' is misunderstood by many.

While we can be going to a raid, the raid isn't the actual location itself. It's more going to participate in the activity of raiding at said location. When it is said "we're going to a raid" it's meant in the context of going to participate in the activity at that location, not calling the location itself a raid.

Unfortunately as this term is used in MMO's and people see it used for the first time they take it to mean that the location itself is a raid. This misunderstanding of the term is becoming much wider spread.

To use an example of a very similar word, it's like saying "I'm going to a protest". A protest isn't the location but the activity, yet people don't misunderstand this term as it's not frequenty used in MMO's to have it's meaning skewed.

Maybe we should try to find a replacement word for "small-group contents that may or may not be indoor and may or may not be instanced but that can't be called a raid anyway due to their size".

How about Drain? ^^

raid   
[reyd]
–noun
1.
a sudden assault or attack, as upon something to be seized or suppressed: a police raid on a gambling ring.
2.
Military . a sudden attack on the enemy, as by air or by a small land force.
3.
a vigorous, large-scale effort to lure away a competitor's employees, members, etc.
4.
Finance . a concerted attempt of speculators to force stock prices down.

–verb (used with object)
5.
to make a raid on.
6.
to steal from; loot: a worry that the investment fund is being raided.
7.
to entice away from another: Large companies are raiding key personnel from smaller companies.
8.
to indulge oneself by taking from, especially in order to eat: raiding the cookie jar.

–verb (used without object)
9.
to engage in a raid.

Origin:
1375–1425; Middle English (north and Scots ) ra ( i ) de, Old English rād expedition, literally, a riding; doublet of road

—Related forms
coun·ter·raid, noun, verb
un·raid·ed, adjective

—Synonyms
1. seizure. 2. incursion, invasion, inroad.


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You're not allowed to use dictionary definitions as it kills the argument that it's being misused.

Killing a bad argument with actual definitions given by experts and logic? Well ain't that the darnedest thing.

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Originally Posted by Nipa

Maybe we should try to find a replacement word for "small-group contents that may or may not be indoor and may or may not be instanced but that can't be called a raid anyway due to their size".

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Raids don't have to be large-scale.

Yoshi-P's relatively correct in this sense. You can raid a location with a specialized group, but those locations may or may not be dungeons. Special Forces do it all the time.

So the OP trying to be clever and failing is hilarious to me.

Just sayin'.

i remember a thread about someone raging about the miss usage of the word raid because 8 ppl is no a raid lol
whatever let them rage. ignorants.
people should use the internet more often for things other than games and porn.

BTW.
Ignorant
1 : lacking knowledge or information
2 : resulting from or showing a lack of knowledge

I would have thought the only thing that matters is how it is used in the game in question, not how it is used in other games. So if SE decide that 'all group attacks on things that may or may not be underground' are called raids then that is how we should refer to it even if the term has different meanings in other games.

As an example, a Lancer in XIV is a DD class but in Tera it is a tank, does that mean one game is wrong and the other right? I am sure there are lots of other examples.

A lancer is not defined by being a tank or dd. He uses a lance ;)
I don't really care how SE calls their dungeons, but the majority of the mmo players uses this word as it is described in wikipedia. They should just invent new words instead of using already existing ones that already have a different meaning(in people's minds).

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Originally Posted by Coldfire

A lancer is not defined by being a tank or dd. He uses a lance ;)
I don't really care how SE calls their dungeons, but the majority of the mmo players uses this word as it is described in wikipedia. They should just invent new words instead of using already existing ones that already have a different meaning(in people's minds).

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Not in Japan. And it doesn't really matter what the "majority of MMO players" use the word for. They can adapt to a different meaning for a different game.

I vote to call them boobs instead of raids, because everyone like boobs.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

Not in Japan. And it doesn't really matter what the "majority of MMO players" use the word for. They can adapt to a different meaning for a different game.

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-We are not talking about the japanese version here
-In what kind of country do you live where "majority" doesn't matter?
-It's not about adaption, it's about confusion

I don't think Yoshi-P cares about the Raid in term of "gaming", you know...

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Ok, where's that "No Sh*t, Sherlock" joke?

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Originally Posted by Coldfire

-We are not talking about the japanese version here
-In what kind of country do you live where "majority" doesn't matter?
-It's not about adaption, it's about confusion

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-But we are talking about a translation of a Japanese letter, about a Japanese based game.
-America (well, I do)
-When someone aims a confusion spell at you, you're supposed to try to dodge it.

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Originally Posted by Coldfire

-We are not talking about the japanese version here
-In what kind of country do you live where "majority" doesn't matter?
-It's not about adaption, it's about confusion

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-We're talking about a Japanese game company making a game originally in Japanese, then translated to other languages
-America, but the majority of the MMO players are not going to play FFXIV
-It's always about adaptation.