Question about lv 50 Gathering Retainer

Does anyone know if the retainer at lv 50 with HQ gear can gather those time rare mats like spruce darksteel and the new mats that just came out?

Edit:am i the only one that sees that my user name is suddenly Naoki_Yoshida and my user picture is naoki also

Don't have the lvl 50 on any of my retainers so hard to say ...

No - you're not the only one - check other posts and - most of all - your calendar ;)

I highly doubt the retainers can bring back any of the timed node items with normal botany or mining ventures.
It might be possible to get them through the exploration ventures though, if you're lucky.

so far I'm just using mine for fishing for specific fish that otherwise you have to deal with the Rng gods for. I'm not doing the random exploration one because it doesnt seem very Xp efficient. mine are both lvl 18 already on standard gathers.

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Originally Posted by KagatoAC

so far I'm just using mine for fishing for specific fish that otherwise you have to deal with the Rng gods for.

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Yeah - that's seems to be the only "benefitial" use at the moment ...

I'm just hoping that once she hits 30 she'll be able to get me Full Moon Sardines too, then I'll never run out, especially if my combat one can do Apkallu Eggs at the same level :)

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Originally Posted by KagatoAC

I'm just hoping that once she hits 30 she'll be able to get me Full Moon Sardines too, then I'll never run out, especially if my combat one can do Apkallu Eggs at the same level :)

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I'm sure these items will be obtained through hunting/gathering. The Unspoiled Items are up in the air until someone has a level 50 retainer and can report. I think the max anyone is right now is in the 30s.

I see no reason why they shouldn't be able to gather those nodes, its still requires a decent set of gear and hopefully they have taken that into account.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

I see no reason why they shouldn't be able to gather those nodes, its still requires a decent set of gear and hopefully they have taken that into account.

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I think it's why you can buy quest rewards now (or a small part at least), since it means you can a copy of the quest weapon for gatherers to use on your retainer.

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Originally Posted by Borland

I think it's why you can buy quest rewards now (or a small part at least), since it means you can a copy of the quest weapon for gatherers to use on your retainer.

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Not sure what you mean by "copy" but what ever gear item you equip to your retainer(s) will be gone from you inventory / armory and hence can't be used elsewhere.

At level 50 the following happens

3 Woodland Explorations open up which require the following Gathering:
280
323
383

All cost 2 ventures to do and take 18hrs like any woodland exploration.

As for the lv 50 item it's rather lackluster it's just the grade 3 carbonized matter.

So with that in mind it appears quick ventures allow people to obtain items that they could obtain the the 18hr venture, however by doing the 18hr venture you are guaranteed to get an item from that pool list.

Noon tomorrow I"ll figure out what I"ll get with the 383 gathering exploration venture and will share it since I am hoping it'll be something interesting.

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As a quick edit not sure if anyone else has figured this out yet but with 385 gathering the quantity gained in all the regular botanist items is 30, (excluding seeds of course)

Calamity Salvager, sells some rewards, relic weapons you already obtained with your character.

So if you equip your retainer with one of those items you can go to the calamity salvager and buy another. In theory.

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Originally Posted by Airget

At level 50 the following happens

3 Woodland Explorations open up which require the following Gathering:
280
323
383

All cost 2 ventures to do and take 18hrs like any woodland exploration.

As for the lv 50 item it's rather lackluster it's just the grade 3 carbonized matter.

So with that in mind it appears quick ventures allow people to obtain items that they could obtain the the 18hr venture, however by doing the 18hr venture you are guaranteed to get an item from that pool list.

Noon tomorrow I"ll figure out what I"ll get with the 383 gathering exploration venture and will share it since I am hoping it'll be something interesting.

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As a quick edit not sure if anyone else has figured this out yet but with 385 gathering the quantity gained in all the regular botanist items is 30, (excluding seeds of course)

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383?!

Welp, there goes the idea I could convert my miner's hat once I got my new dudebro hat.

Are we going to be able to have a level 50 Retainer job at all?

Currently, I decided to choose both a Miner, and Botanist job for both of mine, since I have not even played ANY of the 3 DoL jobs since my early days of 1.0 and I have been power leveling them by turning in DC daily items, HQ when I can. I was 17 Mining and 19 Botany on Venture's opening day, and after equipping both of mine with HQ Level 1 armor, I got to 5 with the first 18 hour Venture. When I got to 10 and Quick Exploration opened up, I upgraded their clothes. The very first random item in Quick Exp was a DarkLight Ring of Casting. I had just hit 50 in 1 of 3 jobs, (BLM then SMN/SCH the next day, I kept them even), so was totally surprised at that. I also got several house items, Manor furniture, Eorzean Maps etc, so it does not matter what job your retainer is, he is not limited to certain items for Quick Exploration trips.

But now, I noticed under the gear choice, top right corner of their character profile, it says: Max Level 18 (5 levels under your current level. I was 23 at the time, now 25). It sounds like it will be Level 45 maximum if you go by this?

I had NO choice but to start using both of those jobs, I wanted to anyway for the Challenge Log quests as well. So if I get to 50, it sounds like the MAX LEVEL should be 45 at that rate?

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Originally Posted by dragonsi

I had NO choice but to start using both of those jobs, I wanted to anyway for the Challenge Log quests as well. So if I get to 50, it sounds like the MAX LEVEL should be 45 at that rate?

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Their level is 5 below your level UNLESS you've hit 50, at which point they can also hit 50.

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Originally Posted by FJerome

383?!

Welp, there goes the idea I could convert my miner's hat once I got my new dudebro hat.

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Lol ya currently my retainer is using my main botanist gear and I even gave my other retainer my main pants/waist/hands just to test out what Conjurer would get at the cap of i70.

Upon the first Woodland Exploration 383 fetch quest I only got the following:
3 Dzemael Tomatoes HQ
3 Allagan Silver Pieces

With those results does seem like they might be unable to obtain the highest tier gathering items but I did send them out again to get a better gauge of results since it is only the first attempt. My Conjurer retainer returns in about 4hrs so I"ll get an idea of what DoW can bring back soon as well.

How .. how did you get your retainer that high in level already?

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Originally Posted by Airget

Lol ya currently my retainer is using my main botanist gear and I even gave my other retainer my main pants/waist/hands just to test out what Conjurer would get at the cap of i70.

Upon the first Woodland Exploration 383 fetch quest I only got the following:
3 Dzemael Tomatoes HQ
3 Allagan Silver Pieces

With those results does seem like they might be unable to obtain the highest tier gathering items but I did send them out again to get a better gauge of results since it is only the first attempt. My Conjurer retainer returns in about 4hrs so I"ll get an idea of what DoW can bring back soon as well.

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Chances are they won't gather anything decent from the exploration, I was hoping that the high tier items would be from a specific gathering request.

Seems there is some room for improvement.

I'm surprised you got your retainer to 50 so quick, I;ve only just got mine to 26 and have been seending him on 18 hour explorations as often as I can.

i've been running non stop hourly ones except when I'm asleep for days and both of mine are just 39. do the 18hour ones really reward that much Xp?

As it stands now the rewards are a bit lackluster, I"ve currently completed 2 Botanist and 1 DOW high tier exploration and have recieved the following
8 allagan silver pieces
3 crawler cocoon HQ
3 Dzmeal tomatoes HQ
5 hippogryph skins HQ

Which is a bit dissapointing considering it's an 18hr wait between.

Given the Gather skill needed and the fact one could easily obtain a guaranteed HQ crawler cocoon with ease in a short amount of time I'm surprised they made the rewards as low as they did.

For now though I"m keeping my botanist on exploration and moving DoW back to quick ventures since it doesn't appear like a good variety of loot will come from those unless I'm proven wrong through Botanist.

(With the 18hr wait period though considering that a 1hr grants 5 at required gathering skill it would be nice if there was a better mathematical formula where since the gatherer is going to be out for 18hrs couldn't they at least bring back 54(3 per hr) of the rare item that's a mix between NQ and HQ rather than just a low amount of HQ.)

Ah as for getting retainers that high, once you hit 40, doing quick ventures and gaining a rare item like the warwolf mask grants about 250k xp where during that pace you get about 50k a regular 1hr venture. So if you get lucky you can xp a lot faster by scoring big in quick ventures.

Thanks for all the info, Airget.

What's the shard situation like? I know a lot of us are hoping they'll be able to gather more of them at higher levels.

Hmm that seems okish to me, no point making it as good as being able to gather it yourself.

The only downside to it is that you can't be guaranteed what you are gathering on those 18 hour explorations, I would much rather have the option to choose what I want.

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Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder

How .. how did you get your retainer that high in level already?

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When you know you will be playing for several hours, the regular ventures (1 coin) are best for quick levelling. You can get good EXP for the quick venture too but it's a kind of a lottery and more of a matter of luck because the retainer can also come home with a single NQ fish including a low EXP reward. The long ventures (18 hours) are only fine if you are not playing. So let's say your last action in the evening before logging off is to send away the retainer and next evening after work you come back to get your EXP. But if I send my retainer 5 times to a 1 coin venture, the EXP reward is already higher in total compared to an 18 hour venture. So use the ventures with different approaches to max your benefits.

My lvl50 retainers brought me with a #13venture (18h)
Battleclass: Saurian Skin (500myth points)
Miner: Tawny Latex (150 myth points)
the other 2 (fisher and botanist) brought nothing special. Seems like there are some fine things

Nice info here.

What about high level fishing?
Someone can confirm if and how many "rare" fish a retainer can bring back?
Like Silver Shark, Fullmoon Sardine, Razor Clam,..?

Mine are MNK and MIN lvl39 now.
Equipment level is high enough for the current items (~ilvl20 MNK and ~120 gathering for MIN)
So far the only "good" thing I got from exploration were ilvl55 botanist legs from my very first try.
The rest were just some random HQ materials (crap) and some Allagan Bronze Pieces (6-10).
Quick exploration didn't give anything special either.

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Originally Posted by Kyana

Nice info here.

What about high level fishing?
Someone can confirm if and how many "rare" fish a retainer can bring back?
Like Silver Shark, Fullmoon Sardine, Razor Clam,..?

Mine are MNK and MIN lvl39 now.
Equipment level is high enough for the current items (~ilvl20 MNK and ~120 gathering for MIN)
So far the only "good" thing I got from exploration were ilvl55 botanist legs from my very first try.
The rest were just some random HQ materials (crap) and some Allagan Bronze Pieces (6-10).
Quick exploration didn't give anything special either.

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41 Silver sharks thats as high as my fishing retainer is but yes fullmoon sardine's were like 34 ish level razor clams 20

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Originally Posted by Kyana

Nice info here.

What about high level fishing?
Someone can confirm if and how many "rare" fish a retainer can bring back?
Like Silver Shark, Fullmoon Sardine, Razor Clam,..?

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I posted this in another thread:
46-50 is just Northern Pike (46) & Cloud Cutter (48)
41-45 is Silver Shark (41), Raincaller (43), Blacklip Oyster (44)
36-40 is Whitelip Oyster (36), Velodyna Carp (38), Red Coral (40)
31-35 is Indigo Herring (31), Ash Tuna (32), Fullmoon Sardine (34)

As far as quantities: 3 Silver sharks, 7 Razor Clams, 7 Fullmoon Sardines. If you want the rest, let me know ^^ I think I'm limited in how many characters I can put in one post.

Seems like the only realistic way to get to 383 gathering is to get the new tool. I melded everything but the crafted lv48 hatchet and the militia offhand with the max amount of +gathering and best I can get up to is 355.

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Originally Posted by Orophin

Seems like the only realistic way to get to 383 gathering is to get the new tool. I melded everything but the crafted lv48 hatchet and the militia offhand with the max amount of +gathering and best I can get up to is 355.

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Yup, since you can't make your retainers eat gathering food, you need to get them one of those nifty new tools, it takes 308 gathering for a fishing retainer since they don't have the off hand tool.