so after going thru some of the "atma drops sucks" threads and seeing some people use the "there is other ways to get gear" logic, it has come to my attention that the people are ignoring one major thing. the only 2.2 weapon(s)you can get are the new allagan wep if you are good enough, and the levi weapon. it will be a full month before any even sees people having a weathered weapon, because those are behind a double lockout (tome cap and coil drop). so no, there really isnt much choice in what weapons you can get.
How This was over looked is beyond me
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03-31-2014, 11:12 PMKaze3434How This was over looked is beyond me
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03-31-2014, 11:16 PMjojober
You arent entitled to a new weapon just for logging in. If it takes you a month to get a new weapon, then you will have a new weapon in a month.
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03-31-2014, 11:16 PMTiggy
They also don't seem to be aware that it will take 3 weeks before anyone has the soldiery to even buy a weathered weapon. So our options are Levi weapon, Tidal Levi weapon, Twintania weapon (cause we know many people never got one and its still decent), and Zodiac. The only true upgrade on that list is the Tidal Levi weapon so unless you are working directly for that the Zodiac weapon is really one of the only short term solutions.
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03-31-2014, 11:16 PMSanjuroXI
the idea isn't to get things in the 1st week. make long term goals get over the i need it now mentality.
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03-31-2014, 11:24 PMAtreidesSome people got them in day 1, thats a huge bs factor for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by SanjuroXI
Others have to work for it while the lucky guys just get it on a silver tablet.
Thats just wrong imo, the second part of the quest is fair while the first is not.
How is it a fair system when some get the weapon in under 10 hours while others don't get a single atma after 2 days of grinding?
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03-31-2014, 11:25 PMLord_Zlatanyes. This is the answer you are looking for.Quote:
Originally Posted by SanjuroXI
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03-31-2014, 11:26 PMPikkenSo, to sum up. It will takes weeks of challenges, effort and grind to get either the relic 2.0, the Leviathan weapon, or the new allagan weapon. And what was the big thing that was overlooked?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaze3434
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03-31-2014, 11:27 PMGramulYou've just listed two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaze3434
And from what I've researched, progression goes:
Wave/Allagan>Atma/Wheathered/Tidal>Crafted/High Allagan.
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but couldn't you go Levi>HM Levi>High Allagan instead? -
03-31-2014, 11:30 PMSanjuroXILuck of the draw ive spammed t4 20xs this weekend and t2 15-20xs still havent got/seen caster drops just luck of the draw. If you want it bad enough you'll keep at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atreides
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03-31-2014, 11:35 PMLord_Zlatanwatch out for the RNG is bs argument. I agree with you though, the game offers you enough options, yet if you want something bad enough, deal with the systems in place to get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SanjuroXI
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03-31-2014, 11:35 PMKrescielOnly Extreme Leviathan drops weapon, and it's i95 (upgradeable to i100 with a rare drop from the same instance itself). HM Levi drops nothing except craft mats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gramul
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03-31-2014, 11:47 PMGramulThanks for the correction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kresciel
Even so, is it still a feasible alternative? And what of the weathered gear? From the looks of it, that one is obtained through the normal means of trading in tomestones from runs. -
03-31-2014, 11:53 PMKaze3434yes, you can. its the getting the gear needed to even be close to able to get high allagan that stops people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gramul
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03-31-2014, 11:54 PMKaze3434the armor and such yes. the weapon isnt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gramul
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03-31-2014, 11:57 PMGramulThen what's the point in complaining about the Atma grind? The High Allagan is after all of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaze3434
Looking it up, the Weathered Rosenbogen is obtained through 10 Rowena's Tokens (1300 Tomestones of Soldiery) and 1 Unidentified Allagan Tomestone which can be obtained from coil turn 7. Is it not possible to enter turn 7 with only i95 weapons, or is it a matter of drop rate?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaze3434
Oh no. It's April 1st in Japan.
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04-01-2014, 12:13 AMKelvani
Just curious.. does anyone think the RNG is improved by being solo or being in a group for ATMA drops? I got one almost immediately in a group, haven't got once since in group or solo =p
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04-01-2014, 12:15 AMSirSaber
Please look forward to it.
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04-01-2014, 12:15 AMDnalor35
The only one I have gotten was from running the FATEs solo while waiting for the DF as a DPS.
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04-01-2014, 12:16 AMKyroeFelixRNG doesn't care if you're in a party or not. You can get atma solo or with friends; the despair rate remains the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelvani
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04-01-2014, 12:22 AMKaze3434the cost was known day one about the tokens. thats 3 weeks before anyone can get it. some want an ilvl100 with hard work and effort. levi ex mirror drop is rng, but because you are for sure getting something out of it(wep drops and tomes) it doesnt feel bad when it doesnt drop. you go 20+ hours with no atma in sight, its going to feel horrible. and you have almost nothing to show for it except seals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gramul
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04-01-2014, 12:30 AMKrenianKandos
A lot of people are going at the Atma grinding the wrong way and this at fault both the player and the developer:
1) The player needs to realize that this should be a goal to achieve in the long run and that doing it in two days never was the purpose. It is a long term goal to stretch in the next three months until the next patch. As such, people need to treat it that way instead of having it right now.
2) The developers should have realized people really hate having to deal with RNG and having some people get their Atma in a day, and others get no Atma whatsoever in x hours of grind. (In my case, myself, I only have 2 after say 16 hours of doing grinding this weekend versus my wife, who has 7 in the same amount of time.)
Personally, I would have preferred an idea that a grind is needed in FATEs but not a drop: make it that you have to use your Zenith weapon x amount of times in 12 different locations or get an item. Say, having hacked away at 500 (arbitrary number) mobs in a fate will unlock the Atma. But there is still a minute chance that you get an Atma as a drop which bypasses your 500.
That way, you don't cheapen the experience as it's still a grind to kill 500 mobs, but you also give that RNG a factor. The biggest problems players probably have is because it's entirely based on RNG as to when you'll get an item. That's not a fun formula to follow; it never has been. Like the weapons, they should have made possible progression paths. It sucks for those who either REALLY want their Relic because it's the only item they really want or that they can really go for (Yes, it does exist that some people don't have time to Dedicate to Coil/Extreme modes.)
Finally, I don't really care about the Relic in terms of how to achieve it: I'm impartial to the grind and have grind'ed out a lot worse than this. But it is, by far, not the most fun experience in this game. I will stop grinding to go do dungeons (even with the piss poor connection lately the Duty servers have) or do my roulettes. Or I'll go mine. In the end, it'll happen in due time and I'll dedicate some time to do it.
Why in the world would you do x hours FATE grinding is beyond me; you're really setting yourself up to hate the game. If you get tired and frustrated, go do other things.
Also, I always wanted to be a lead dev for a day. I suppose this is some form of way to be so. Too bad we don't have the options he probably does! -
04-01-2014, 12:39 AMPylfer
I think the problem with the Atma drops is that it caters to people with a lot of time on their hands.
For instance, a person who works for 8-9 hours a day, has a 30minute + commute, cooks dinner, watches a show or movie, hangs out with wife/girlfriend/kids, and then plays for maybe 1-2 hours a night (this is not my life by the way) has to hope that they get the luck that some people have and can at least get one during that time period (over the course of a day or two). This would be the only way for them to be able to get the first half of the Atma quest done in about a month to two months or so... which is kinda sucky. As a reference, I've been running the Atma quest now for about three days and have invested somewhere around 8 hours and have still yet to see a single drop.
Also it kinda sucks if you are one of those people and you have to spend your day off mindlessly grinding low level FATEs in order to get a chance at an item that will help you keep up with the rest of your FC.
I dunno. I have to agree with OP in that it seems like the first half of this quest is a little out of place in FFXIV 2.0. The second part of the quest sounds pretty much on the level (farm some dungeons, have a higher % chance of getting the items that you need, expect a turn around time of 1-2 weeks if you're taking it at a gradual pace). -
04-01-2014, 12:47 AMjojober
How is it a "problem" that the people with more time to dedicate to the game (which means they are putting in more work) have more access to end game gear? If you put in the work you get the reward.
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04-01-2014, 12:52 AMKaze3434its not a problem if you have more time. time+effort=reward. this is more along the lines of time+effort/rng= no atma for you. and like i said at the start, you wont see any ivl100 weps besides levi ex wep for 3 weeks. aside from the people who may down t9 in two weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by jojober
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04-01-2014, 12:52 AMArkistaNext week players will be able to buy the Tokens to get a weathered weapon. I don't know If I should just buy the tokens or get gear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiggy
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04-01-2014, 01:01 AMWicc
This is how they get you to keep playing.
People complain about there not being any lengthy content.
Then complain when they didn't get something new and shiny in the first day.
In relation to Atma farming: I have 7 so far and guess what, I find a way to make it fun. I usually go with my FC mates or just do homework while I do it. I promise, it makes it go by alot faster. So what if someone got it before you? This isn't an e-penor size contest.
Do you want new, drawn out content? Or do you want everything handed to you day 1 and then complain about being bored all the time?
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04-01-2014, 01:04 AMKaze3434true, but it wont be worth it. that three weeks of tomes for 1 i100. better to go the gear route and do coils. in those three weeks, you can get three accessories, and have 225 tomes leftover. another week, you have enough for armor and have some left over again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arkista
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04-01-2014, 01:05 AMAndevomI think it caters more to people who are leveling, or in other words, people who *aren't* farming the Atma.Quote:
I think the problem with the Atma drops is that it caters to people with a lot of time on their hands.
Of course, I can only speak for my server. Before 2.2, the amount of people doing FATEs in certain areas was abysmal. If you wanted to, say, attempt "Lazy for You" for the EXP/Achievement, good luck.
That said, the way the Atmas were handled was poor. They could've made it a set number of FATEs per zone need to be completed, and people still would've complained, but at least you'd have some sensation of progress. -
04-01-2014, 01:12 AMSanjuroXI
why is everyones name yoshida??????? so confused
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04-01-2014, 01:15 AMNeablis
well yoshida i'm sure it is some form of april fools joke.
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04-01-2014, 01:20 AMZetonegiIts April the first in Japan Mr. Yoshida.Quote:
Originally Posted by SanjuroXI