SKill speed needs to change.

OK since they changed haste to skill speed/spell speed melee got shafted. Skill speed lower cool down is OK, but in long fight its is a debilitating stat not a dps boost. It allows melee to unload and burn our tp faster so in short fights is a dps boost. In long fights like raid or dungeon boss fights its a neutral stat cause once tp is gone we have to wait for it to rebuild to use. so we in affect add nothing and potentially depending on how the fight mechanic works can cause dps loss and wipe.

Skill Speeds needs to along with lower gcd needs to increase tp regen and shorten delay on auto attacks. I see a lot of skill speed on the new gear and with loss of determination and/or crit for increase in vit and armor since the lose of crit/det may not be compensated by the primary stat increase. At least spell speed can be an attractive stat for casters/healers, could be better if speed speed affect HoT and DoTs, but its a much better stat that skill speed.

Melee in general only will take an item with skill speed is if alternate has accuracy and we are over accuracy cap. Then its better than a stat that does nothing at all.

So recap det/crit always dps increase versus skill speed is a dps increase only in short fight and net neutral or dps a lose in long fights. Please either remove this stats and gives us back haste or rework it in a way were it is as beneficial as det and crit.

Totally agree.

Haste exists - All yoshi needs to do is get over it and let our mages cast Haste. Monsters and NPCs cast it no problem, so why not us? Haste has always been an integral spell in FF games lol - Heck even in Romancing SaGa games in a way.

Or they could just make it so skill speed also effects the cooldown of things not on the global cooldown. A faster Invigorate recharge would REALLY be nice.

Or you could just pay attention to your TP bar and not waste it all during extended battles?

It really isn't that hard. It's a DPS increase based on time that you're in complete control of.

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Originally Posted by Edellis

Or you could just pay attention to your TP bar and not waste it all during extended battles?

It really isn't that hard. It's a DPS increase based on time that you're in complete control of.

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Or you could get Determination and Critical Hit gear and do more damage overall.

That's the point, SS is pretty close to a useless stat. The DPS increase it provides is minimal, it makes you run out of TP more quickly no matter how well you manage it (by virtue of what it does), and the other two DPS increasing stats FAR outstrip it. Even Monks, who are designed to be a Skill Speed based Job, consider SS to be all but useless and stack DET/CRIT.

It needs a rework, IMO. Giving it increased TP regen would make it far more attractive, as well as (slight) increases in AA speed. If they chose to do an AA increase they should be careful though as Monks already have Greased Lightning which increases AA speed and further speed increases might unbalance them.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Or they could just make it so skill speed also effects the cooldown of things not on the global cooldown. A faster Invigorate recharge would REALLY be nice.

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This also would be a good idea. Would alleviate the TP drain a bit as you would have faster access to Invigorate, as well as provide quicker access to the off GCD moves for more damage.

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Originally Posted by AlphaDragoon

Or you could get Determination and Critical Hit gear and do more damage overall.

That's the point, SS is pretty close to a useless stat. The DPS increase it provides is minimal, it makes you run out of TP more quickly no matter how well you manage it (by virtue of what it does), and the other two DPS increasing stats FAR outstrip it. Even Monks, who are designed to be a Skill Speed based Job, consider SS to be all but useless and stack DET/CRIT.

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All it does is lower the GCD of your moves. It's completely pointless to compare it to Det or Critical Rate because you can't choose which you obtain over the other.


You gain the same amount of TP at the same rate no matter how fast you burn through it, which essentially means your overall damage-per-TP stays the same but your DPS obviously increases since you're able to shell more out at once. you're still in complete control of your TP bar, but it lets you utulize more of it faster. It has its uses, but i dont understand why people wish it did something different...it works exactly the way it should.



If Haste existed and theoretically lowered your GCD to 0.5 seconds, nobody would be able to dispute the beneficial possibilities of Skill Speed, regardless if your TP recovery rate stayed the same.

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Originally Posted by Edellis

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it increases your initial dps, but it is TP reliant. Making skill-speed utterly useless once your part-way through a drawn out fight, and your starved for tp and invigorate is on cd. ask a bard for TP song? nope, healers need it to keep the tank alive. tp pots? nope, those are pvp only. has happened to me more than once, even with effective tp management. it doesn't affect your auto-attack, and the cooldowns of your skills and buffs either, whereas crit rate and determination do. in addition, skill speed scales worse than crit and determination.

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Originally Posted by saber_alter

it increases your initial dps, but it is TP reliant. Making skill-speed utterly useless once your part-way through a drawn out fight, and your starved for tp and invigorate is on cd. ask a bard for TP song? nope, healers need it to keep the tank alive. tp pots? nope, those are pvp only. has happened to me more than once, even with effective tp management. it doesn't affect your auto-attack, and the cooldowns of your skills and buffs either, whereas crit rate and determination do. in addition, skill speed scales worse than crit and determination.

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It doesn't increase your DAMAGE at all, it just ALLOWS you to decrease the time at which you deliver it. Your DPS is only increased if you use your skills as fast as you can. But if you run out of TP and get screwed during long battles its still your fault.

All of those problems can be managed by simply not spamming your skills so fast. I think there should probably be a visual effect on your icons that not only tell you when your ability is avaliable, but also the original 2.5 GCD cooldown timer so you wont burn through all your TP.

But your skills aren't using more TP, you're just using them faster. That problem you stated above is still 100% avoidable.



I play Bard, and I myself noticed the detrimental effects of not noticing that you are using skill faster than your TP is regenerating...it's just a simple fix of being self-aware of your abilities. It is not a crippling stat, it's an enabling stat.

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Originally Posted by Edellis

It doesn't increase your DAMAGE at all, it just ALLOWS you to decrease the time at which you deliver it. Your DPS is only increased if you use your skills as fast as you can. But if you run out of TP and get screwed during long battles its still your fault.

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Basically, you're saying that Increased Attack Frequency should be balanced with good TP management, which involves Reducing your Attack Frequency

You.... really don't see something wrong? At all?

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Originally Posted by Raestloz

Basically, you're saying that Increased Attack Frequency should be balanced with good TP management, which involves Reducing your Attack Frequency

You.... really don't see something wrong? At all?

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No...because the whole point is the ability to increase your attack frequency.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Haste exists - All yoshi needs to do is get over it and let our mages cast Haste. Monsters and NPCs cast it no problem, so why not us? Haste has always been an integral spell in FF games lol - Heck even in Romancing SaGa games in a way.

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To existing Mage jobs, no thanks... It's enough for a healer to keep everyone healed in some fights then you want to add the whining for haste when it wears off most likely in 30 seconds from all the melee/DPS? Now I could see it come in with a support/DPS job like rdm or maybe let smn have it. I for one would think it better to make light party 5 and full party 10 this way they could add a support job or two.

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Originally Posted by Edellis

No...because the whole point is the ability to increase your attack frequency.

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No it allows you to use your weaponskills more often does not affect auto attack.

And I don't know what your contribution to this is. There is no debate on managing TP. You have to do that with or without Skill Speed. The point is that it does not add anything compared to accuracy, determination and crit rate. I would like square to re look at this stat and make it viable so when we get a piece of gear with Skill Speed on it and think its junk. You can find lower level ilvl gear than current end game gear that weighs heavier because Skill Speed does not improve your characters. You can have 2 pieces of gear that are identical with Skill Speed and the other Piece has everything but Skill Speed and are roughly equivalent to performance. However you do that with a piece of gear with det or crit on it and too extent accuracy you have lowered that person dps output.

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Originally Posted by Edellis

Or you could just pay attention to your TP bar and not waste it all during extended battles?

It really isn't that hard. It's a DPS increase based on time that you're in complete control of.

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Stack skillspeed to attack faster! Oh but you'll go through TP faster too, so attack slower. Which, you know, completely negates the purpose of skillspeed to begin with.

Before you reply with a "but skillspeed will be great for the times you need it!" response, skillspeeds most beneficial times to have it is still overshadowed by crit/det builds in the same situation.

For skill speed to be an useful stat it also has to have some increased tp regeneration with it, otherwise its always going to be bad in longer fights.

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Originally Posted by Edellis

Or you could just pay attention to your TP bar and not waste it all during extended battles?

It really isn't that hard. It's a DPS increase based on time that you're in complete control of.

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Your understanding of simple math/physics is sorely lacking. TP regeneration is a constant. No matter how fast you attack, you will always have the same amount of total TP, which translates to puting out the same amount of total damage. If you eat 100 pieces of chocolate in 5 days vs. 100 pieces of chocolate in 1 day, does that mean you ate more chocolates? No, it simply means your chocolate/day (read: DPS) temporarily went up until your resources dried out, at which point your total is the same.

Skill speed's inherent issue is with TP regeneration. Until they do something about that, it will forever be a useless stat unless they introduce intentionally short fights where you need pure burst.

For the love of god, make skill speed stop sucking. PLEASE. The new stone gear for drg is SLATHERED in the shit, and it's just atrocious dps wise as a result.

I just want to be able to actually gain TP back as a WAR. /lonelycorner

Wish Icarus Wings could be crafted and used outside of PvP like in XI, that would be nice.