Level 110 gear on my level 50 character...

Am I the only one who finds it a bit disappointing to just keep getting higher level gear for our existing, level 50 jobs? Sure, equipping these new items makes fighting tough monsters easier, but in reality it's starting to seem like a vicious circle.

I acquire higher level gear to fight a higher level monster to acquire higher level gear to fight a higher level monster...

I would much rather level my character to 60 and gain new abilities and traits.
I don't mean so seem ungrateful, but will I eventually be using level 200 items on my level 50 jobs?

They already confirmed lv cap will be raised in the expansion. Besides, lv60 is just higher status which higher ilv gear gives + abilities. Where they can all together just add abilities and it will be the same thing.

I actually hope when level cap is increased some of the ilvl 110 gear start to become obsolete vs the lvl 60 gear that might deem a lower ilvl. But than that sounds a bit complicated so they probably will just lower the ilvl on the current items with level cap increase.

Gearing for the sake of gearing, in addition hard-earned unique gear becomes obsolete with each frequent expansion due to item level increase. That is why i don't do any content that cannot be passed in 1-3 tries using the duty finder.

Woud you rather them increase level cap 10 levels every patch and continue cheapening the class with more and more fluff abilities until you use up all your hotbars for 1 single class and reach lvl100cap by the end of the year? Or you know, we can just have a steady increase in stronger gears and you can just ignore item level and look at it as: this item has better stats than the other items.

I find it equally absurd.... I'm sure they're capable of developing hard and challenging content if they really tried. Just making the mobs hit harder while giving us stronger weapons for bigger dps is the same bore as if they hit weaker with us wearing lower iLvl.

For example, I loved the God King Moggle Mog fight (1.0 more than ARR though) cause there is some unpredictability to it. More targets (moogles) that move, are grabbed and tanked or kited etc. which can turn into some pretty fun and chaotic situations that don't get too frustrating.

i doubt we will be in 110 when the expansion will be out.
the expansion is the 3.0, we gonna receive the 2.2... you can expect 3 more raise of ilevel after it. 2.4, 2.6, 2.8, since BC it's in 5 raid actually.

Not sure what Yoshi's plan is but over on FFXI they hit the brakes at 119 and have started moving horizontally again. I think it's likely that gear WILL see an ilevel reduction when the level cap hits that will keep max ilevel at a plateau for a little bit (ie. max ilevel before expansion = i120, max ilevel after expansion = still i120 but previous i120 gear is now i110 and the expansion gear is i120).

ilvl doesn't apply that you should be lvl 110 to wear it, it's just a way to rate gear. they can start at 500 and go up from there if they want and i could be lvl 30 in ilvl 1000 gear. it's just a number at lvl 110 the gear lvl can be 500 for all we know :)

Tell me why item level and character level need to have anything to do with one another.

It's like you're saying my 720 credit score is too high because I'm only 25 years old.

there's going to be iLv.110 next patch? ugh...

I hope they start some horizontal progression on expansion. It seems a perfect timing for it. We just have to voice it loud enough.

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Originally Posted by IzumiRaito

I hope they start some horizontal progression on expansion. It seems a perfect timing for it. We just have to voice it loud enough.

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depends we have 3 options to choose in weapons

allagan weapons
tomestone weapons
now zodiac weapons (these will take time but you can customize the stats)

is that the horizontal progession you wanted? i mean yes they will be replaced in the next tier patch but you will have 3 choices again (maybe more)

iLvL has nothing to do with character level. It just determines how many stat points can be applied too it.

Also, you might want to get used too it. As it is currently designed, it could go all the way up to 9999.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

i doubt we will be in 110 when the expansion will be out.
the expansion is the 3.0, we gonna receive the 2.2... you can expect 3 more raise of ilevel after it. 2.4, 2.6, 2.8, since BC it's in 5 raid actually.

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Since when? Coil is 3 parts.

the numbers are pretty arbitrary, outside of gear req's for instances which are notoriously low they have no actual bearing on game play.

in games with out the ilvl stat, gear still gets more powerful even after you cap your character lvl. this just gives people an easy reference opposed to having to constantly compare stats on endgame gear.

Welcome to mmorpg's, you must be new here.

I'd prefer for them to balance and work on a system of specific stats either through Materia or upgrades that increase class related stats. Right now we can build towards Crit, Det, skill speed and accuracy, while taking hits to the other 3. But that's about it. It'd be neat to see them introduce skills that enhance the length of your debuffs, boost buff duration, or strength of attacks like Jump.

In 1.0 I believe we had a skill stat for enmity but I could be misremembering. And I do miss joke skills in XI like "Increases blahblah during the daytime, decrease accuracy at night."

We /do/ have passive traits that equalise us, but if they can't do it to gear, perhaps they should introduce some sort of system that levels up our characters at a class level. I don't play any other MMO's, but would that be comparable to a class tree? Upgrade tree? In FFXI they had a system like that where you could get points towards something similar.

I know it wasn't popular then but it would be a helluva lot preferable than this power creep we got going on here. I'm really sick of them just making the numbers bigger on the same fourish things.

If, as people say, iLevel is simply a way to see at a glance how powerful an item is and otherwise doesn't matter, how about this suggestion: Give us the option to toggle on/off seeing iLevel on our character and on items. The people that like/don't care about seeing ilevel get to see 90, 100, 500050000000 on their swords, those that don't feel comfortable seeing such a large number on a level 60 character are happy. A small change, but perhaps one worth thinking about?

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Originally Posted by Max_Damade

I acquire higher level gear to fight a higher level monster to acquire higher level gear to fight a higher level monster...

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Welcome to every MMO that does not exist in Vana'diel

http://i.imgur.com/hokDua1l.jpg

Welcome to vertical gear based MMOs.

How did everyone not know this was going to be the way of things when they said ARR would be a vertical gear based game like WoW?

Was probably mentioned already, didn't read all the posts.

But one thing I could see them doing in the future, is instead of placing restrictions on how low your ilvl is for certain content, restricting how High it can be.

I imagine they would test it for a long time to ensure that certain very difficult content in this sense could be completed with gear that's say, ilvl 100, even though at the time you could possibly be equipped with ilvl130. Make people think about their strategy and gear set ups instead of optimizing for BiS in a broad sense, but being selective towards what may be BiS for other content as well.

'course it would have to be something pretty worthwhile to make people go through the hassle of keeping extra gear sets around just for that particular restriction.

Also, while it may simply be a default thing they used, in the party finder search menu, you can set the ilvl as high as 200. So, yeah, we gots a way to go.

This is ridiculous....

Sure, adding levels would be better than just adding ilvl's, but there is no way they could add levels in a patch, let alone the second patch since release! That is impossible, or at least if you want the new abilities, areas, quests etc. to be more than just shite....

Why don't they just throw in a new class and job every patch when they're at it ?

Sorry for my tone, but isn't this kinda obvious?

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Originally Posted by BlueMage

How did everyone not know this was going to be the way of things when they said ARR would be a vertical gear based game like WoW?

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I think the point of the OP is that they're growing in scale too fast. I'm not quite sure whether it's because of XIV's stat weights vs WoW's, but comparing what we see here with what was seen in vanilla WoW:

Tier 1 sets were ilevel 66 (in a game where the level cap was lv60)
Tier 2 sets were ilevel 76
Tier 3 sets were ilevel 92
Non-tier pieces could range from item level 60-63 as far as dungeon drops went.

WoW jumped 32 item levels between the level cap and the top gear in the game at that point in time (even then, not many saw tier 3 gear because the expansion came out afterwards, and the gear from said expansion easily made tier 3 gear obsolete). By comparison FFXIV has jumped 40 item levels between launch and the first content patch. Second content patch is making that a 65 item level jump.

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Originally Posted by Max_Damade

I acquire higher level gear to fight a higher level monster to acquire higher level gear to fight a higher level monster...

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Is this the only non-FPS game you've ever played or something?

If it's up to me, if some sort of item level has to stay, I would just stick with level equip requirement plus grading it by 1s with high quality items going up 1 grade above the nq.

So gear with lvl 50 requirement will be 50.1, 50.2, 50.3..Then when the level cap to 60, it'll be 60.1, 60.2, 60.3, with maybe late 50 gear (rating 9 or above or something) easily trumping lvl 60 gear with rating 1-3 easily.

The content entry requirement would be based on adding them all up together as long as they're the same gear equip level. Someone with all lvl 50 grade 1 equipment would be somewhere around 12-13 points I think?

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Originally Posted by Gardes

If it's up to me, if some sort of item level has to stay, I would just stick with level equip requirement plus grading it by 1s with high quality items going up 1 grade above the nq.

So gear with lvl 50 requirement will be 50.1, 50.2, 50.3..Then when the level cap to 60, it'll be 60.1, 60.2, 60.3, with maybe late 50 gear (rating 9 or above or something) easily trumping lvl 60 gear with rating 1-3 easily.

The content entry requirement would be based on adding them all up together as long as they're the same gear equip level. Someone with all lvl 50 grade 1 equipment would be somewhere around 12-13 points I think?

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So, you are okay with the exact same system we have now, only they change what the number says ? ilvl110 or 50.5 (or something)... Will that really affect you?

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'course it would have to be something pretty worthwhile to make people go through the hassle of keeping extra gear sets around just for that particular restriction.

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Or they could sync ilevels like they do levels.
Just a thought.

Also, I have a feeling that the gear levels will be similar to WoW, which means that we'll probably be seeing ilevels 100-200 for this expansion, 200-300 for the next one and so on, give or take.

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To OP,
"I acquire higher level gear to fight a higher level monster to acquire higher level gear to fight a higher level monster..."
Yes. That's how MMORPG's tend to work.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

I think the point of the OP is that they're growing in scale too fast. I'm not quite sure whether it's because of XIV's stat weights vs WoW's, but comparing what we see here with what was seen in vanilla WoW:

Tier 1 sets were ilevel 66 (in a game where the level cap was lv60)
Tier 2 sets were ilevel 76
Tier 3 sets were ilevel 92
Non-tier pieces could range from item level 60-63 as far as dungeon drops went.

WoW jumped 32 item levels between the level cap and the top gear in the game at that point in time (even then, not many saw tier 3 gear because the expansion came out afterwards, and the gear from said expansion easily made tier 3 gear obsolete). By comparison FFXIV has jumped 40 item levels between launch and the first content patch. Second content patch is making that a 65 item level jump.

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So should gear only drop from 40 person raids too? I don't see why people like yourself are getting hysterical over semantics.

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Originally Posted by Lithera

Not sure what Yoshi's plan is but over on FFXI they hit the brakes at 119 and have started moving horizontally again. I think it's likely that gear WILL see an ilevel reduction when the level cap hits that will keep max ilevel at a plateau for a little bit (ie. max ilevel before expansion = i120, max ilevel after expansion = still i120 but previous i120 gear is now i110 and the expansion gear is i120).

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That would mean that the stats on the previous gear get nerfed and the expansion gear get the stats the previous gear had before. Because the ilevel determines the stat cap of the gear. Reducing the ilevel mean reducing the stat cap of the gear.

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So, you are okay with the exact same system we have now, only they change what the number says ? ilvl110 or 50.5 (or something)... Will that really affect you?

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I don't really see* the system changing drastically within this year and if a small change in number display gives the illusion of a tamer power creep, I don't see why not.

Can't be any worse than people fighting for name/term changes like tome labels, can it?

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Originally Posted by LordSliver

I actually hope when level cap is increased some of the ilvl 110 gear start to become obsolete vs the lvl 60 gear that might deem a lower ilvl. But than that sounds a bit complicated so they probably will just lower the ilvl on the current items with level cap increase.

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Most likely will compress item levels such that top equipment is equivalent to entry-level stuff at the new cap. I'd suspect it will go 20 item levels each step for now, then compress everything into 50-80 for the level 50 cap stuff. Entry-level stuff at 60 cap will be 80 (again 20 item levels above cap), with the new stuff being ilvl100. I find it unlikely that they will do otherwise simply because of how impractical designing equipment for 50-60 becomes.

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Originally Posted by BlueMage

So should gear only drop from 40 person raids too?

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No, but progression could have been controlled a little better, IMO.

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I don't see why people like yourself are getting hysterical over semantics.

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I'm not getting hysterical, just mentioning something for the sake of giving a frame of reference. Something I neglected to mention is that despite the big gaps in item level, the stat gaps aren't very notable. It does give a bad impression when the item level is jumping by what seems to be a large amount (without context the jump from 50 of something to 90 of something is large no matter how you slice it), specially so close to the game's launch.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

No, but progression could have been controlled a little better, IMO.
I'm not getting hysterical, just mentioning something for the sake of giving a frame of reference. Something I neglected to mention is that despite the big gaps in item level, the stat gaps aren't very notable. It does give a bad impression when the item level is jumping by what seems to be a large amount (without context the jump from 50 of something to 90 of something is large no matter how you slice it), specially so close to the game's launch.

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As Craiger said, since iLvs only increase in increments of 5 at the smallest post-cap, if from the start they had just made it say iLv60 => iLv62 instead of iLv60 => iLv70 with all the stats being the same it'd be fine? You're freaking out over semantics. If items didn't have an "item level" label on them and just the stats, you wouldn't notice or care. Are people really so starved for controversy and drama?

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Originally Posted by BlueMage

So as Craiger said, if they just did something semantically like change what the iLv is called even though everything is the same its fine?

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That's iffy. People would probably still think they're getting nerfed even if they aren't.

Thanks for your replies, everyone.
I guess it was pretty obvious to everyone I came from FFXI and not from WoW. I had no idea this is the way all MMORPGs outside of FFXI worked.
I gather everyone else prefers this style of play since this type of leveling up (vertical gear based) is so popular.

It seems I was unclear in my OP. I don't care that the item is rated as level 110. You're right, it's semantics. I was actually trying to point out that since we aren't gaining job levels, we aren't getting any new abilities or traits. Those of you who never tried FFXI would be surprised to see how many awesome spells a BLM obtains by level 50 (every mob was not weak to fire as they seem to be in FFXIV).

More spells, traits and abilities = more fun. More obsolete, unsellable armor = more storage headaches.
I don't know... This is how it seems to me.

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Originally Posted by Max_Damade

Thanks for your replies, everyone.
I guess it was pretty obvious to everyone I came from FFXI and not from WoW. I had no idea this is the way all MMORPGs outside of FFXI worked.
I gather everyone else prefers this style of play since this type of leveling up (vertical gear based) is so popular.

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Personally, I preferred the XI model. It made it easier to come back to the game after taking a break too, because when new content was released, all my "old gear" was still great gear. It also meant old content was still viable. If you didn't like Einherjar or ZNMs, you could do Sky or Sea, and vice versa. But Yoshi-P made it clear he's following the modern model. I hear XI nowadays is all about iLvs now too even.