SE - Reverse these 3 things about Glamours QUICK

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1) Multi-slot->One-slot doesn't let you Glamour the next slot (e.g. head & chest darklight cowl to healer's robe).

So I can convert my hooded robe into a plain, bodily robe but am not then permitted to wear a headpiece. That's a bit ridiculous, don't you think?


BONUS (OPINION): The Name.

Mirage Prism was 1,000x better. It's already bad enough I'm forced to display earrings on my rugged male Hyur... now I get to 'glamour' myself? If you let me glamour my jewelry into nothing-ness, that could work... but still, Glamour?!


P.S. I'm not complaining, I just dislike the name. My emphasis lies more in the female-connotation of being "glamorous" in a Western Society... which' why I bring up the point I can't hide my earrings or necklace. Some may disagree, but I already feel forced into too much femininity in the game already.

Please & Thank You SE!

I agree, make it so please game peoples.

Only have to do the quest once per character, like Materia and Dyes. If you have FC members who were excited for this for 'a long time' and they still don't have a single level 50, well, they should start leveling.

Also, you should probably look up the definition of Glamour.

The multi-slot issue seems to be more tied to coding problems. I would assume they're going to try and figure it out for a later patch.

The level 50 thing is debatable.

Glamour makes more sense as a name than Mirage Prism. A glamour is an illusion and we are basically casting an illusion on our gear to look like something else. Mirage Prism sounds like a localization error.

ill suport #2, but thats it. id rather be able to mix and match different armor types from different jobs than ur other 2 options sorry >.<

I'm fairly certain their reasoning behind the level 50 cap is due to the fact that from level 1-50, you change your gear so frequently, that it wouldn't make sense to apply your glamour item every single time. At 50, your gear doesn't fluctuate too much, making more sense to apply it then.

Yeah... I know the definitions of glamour & mirage... thanks for the condescension.

It's just glamour sounds utterly... girly (to me). To each their own though.

Also mirage is a form of optical illusion so... and it's caused by things like refractions of light & so forth so... crystals or prisms can create refractions of light which cause optical illusions so... Mirage Prism actually makes perfect sense.

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Originally Posted by Cspr_Answrth

I'm fairly certain their reasoning behind the level 50 cap is due to the fact that from level 1-50, you change your gear so frequently, that it wouldn't make sense to apply your glamour item every single time. At 50, your gear doesn't fluctuate too much, making more sense to apply it then.

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I get their reasoning, I just disagree with it. At least at this late notice. I mean, I think it should be a player's choice if they utterly despise wearing the pink moo moo or that thong underwear on their MNK as they level.

"Glamour" has been in ARR since forever. Go do any battlecraft leve where you have disguised leve targets; the items you use are always described as "glamour-dispelling" cores or whatever.

Because Glamour is Fabulous *Aesthetician pose*

1) At this point of the game, getting to 50 on a single class is not considered blitzing anymore. They still have time to go through quests and get their first 50 easily.
2) I'm sure it has more to do with the programming of the system. I imagine in their character database when you have the multi-slot items on, the other slots are specified as N/A (Not Available). Thus, an associated Glamour properties can't be linked to something that is not defined.
Bonus: I don't really mind. :/

I definitely would have liked to glamourise my sugarloaf hat, since I was stuck with it forever >.<

50 is fine. Glamour is meant to be a special system. Having it at 50 essentially means you're forced to beat the game while experiencing the normal appearance of everything. Gotta make the newbs suffer with the subligar like the rest of us had to.

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Originally Posted by Skyhound

Glamour makes more sense as a name than Mirage Prism. A glamour is an illusion and we are basically casting an illusion on our gear to look like something else. Mirage Prism sounds like a localization error.

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Yeah, people are misunderstanding the word Glamour and it's terminology in the fantasy setting in which spells exist. We know that spells do not exist in real life so it's original meaning was altered a bit. But back in the days of believing in witches and witchcraft it was something else.

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Word Origin & History

glamour
1720, “magic, enchantment” (especially in phrase to cast the glamour ), a variant of Scot. gramarye “magic, enchantment, spell,” alt. of Eng. grammar (q.v.) with a medieval sense of “any sort of scholarship, especially occult learning.” Popularized by the writings of Sir Walter Scott (1771-1832). Sense of “magical beauty, alluring charm” first recorded 1840. Glamorous is 1882 (slang shortening glam first attested 1936); glamorize is 1936.

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Yes but since the gear is required to be usable by the base-class... even if a player has let's say a single 50 MNK... they won't be able to glamourize their WHM or WAR or BRD in any of the gear they want to see themselves in until those classes are ALSO 50.

Besides, my point more leans on the last minute notice.

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Originally Posted by Ecks007

Yeah, people are misunderstanding the word Glamour and it's terminology in the fantasy setting in which spells exist. We know that spells do not exist in real life so it's original meaning was altered a bit. But back in the days of believing in witches and witchcraft it was something else.

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People are also clearly misunderstanding the word Mirage... especially with how it relates to prisms or crystals...

#2- Supported!

Why should it be anything but level 50? Give more content to the already level 50 players. People below level 50 are already busy trying to level up.

And no multi-slot... I am quite glad you can't because then every damn Warrior and Paladin will be dressed as Odin.

Just throwing this out there, but having to be level 50 and having to use similar slot gear? I can understand people complaining about that. I don't agree with them, but I understand them.

But complaining about the name? Really?

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Originally Posted by Balfreid

Why should it be anything but level 50? Give more content to the already level 50 players. People below level 50 are already busy trying to level up.

And no multi-slot... I am quite glad you can't because then every damn Warrior and Paladin will be dressed as Odin.

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You misunderstand. There is one-slot->multi-slot (e.g. Odin) which is NOT possible & multi-slot->one-slot (e.g. Hooded Robe to Unhooded Robe) which IS possible, however you can't then equip a head-slot.

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Originally Posted by Gesser

You misunderstand. There is one-slot->multi-slot (e.g. Odin) which is NOT possible & multi-slot->one-slot (e.g. Hooded Robe to Unhooded Robe) which IS possible, however you can't then equip a head-slot.

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If your arrow means "taking on the appearance of", then you're partially wrong. You cannot equip a head slot in your main armory cause the hooded robe takes a head slot. You cannot take on the head-slot glamour properties because of the way the game is programmed, which would take more time to reconfigure and debug.

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Originally Posted by Gesser

People are also clearly misunderstanding the word Mirage... especially with how it relates to prisms or crystals...

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No I believe you are misunderstanding the word Mirage.

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mi·rage
noun \mə-ˈräzh\

: something (such as a pool of water in the middle of a desert) that is seen and appears to be real but that is not actually there

: something that you hope for or want but that is not possible or real

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The Glamour system changes the look of an item, but that item is still quite there and real.

Quick SE, drop everything you are doing and reprogram this feature before next week!!!!!!1!!

I don't see an honest issue with #1. I was never forced into something I didn't like at any level which didn't have an alternative somewhere.

#2 is something I am sure will come in time. It's not like this is immutable. They are giving us the basics first, and will expand as they have time. Just like almost everything else they have done.

#3 I have to laugh at. In what world is "Mirage Prism" more masculine that "Glamour?" It's one scepter away from being a Magic Girl transformation.

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Originally Posted by Ecks007

No I believe you are misunderstanding the word Mirage.

The Glamour system changes the look of an item, but that item is still quite there and real.

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Look up the definition of Mirage & tell me I'm wrong again... if you want, you can look back a couple pages & see I clearly spelled out how it's an appropriate fit.

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Originally Posted by AlexNiculaie

Quick SE, drop everything you are doing and reprogram this feature before next week!!!!!!1!!

I don't see an honest issue with #1. I was never forced into something I didn't like at any level which didn't have an alternative somewhere.

#2 is something I am sure will come in time. It's not like this is immutable. They are giving us the basics first, and will expand as they have time. Just like almost everything else they have done.

#3 I have to laugh at. In what world is "Mirage Prism" more masculine that "Glamour?" It's one scepter away from being a Magic Girl transformation.

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Because Mirage doesn't have the same connotation "Glamorous" does in a Western Society...

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Originally Posted by Gesser

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1) Level 50 Requirement.

At least bump it down to 30... this puts out so much of the player-base of whom doesn't blitz to 50 on a single class (not me personally, but I know plenty of FC members who have been excited about the feature but will now be put out for a long time... especially since they'd need 50 for each class-type they want to Glamour). As well, this wouldn't be so bad if you'd informed us at the start... but this' very last minute to say "fifties only!".

2) Multi-slot->One-slot doesn't let you Glamour the next slot (e.g. head & chest darklight cowl to healer's robe).

So I can convert my hooded robe into a plain, bodily robe but am not then permitted to wear a headpiece. That's a bit ridiculous, don't you think?

BONUS: The Name.

Mirage Prism was 1,000x better. It's already bad enough I'm forced to display earrings on my rugged male Hyur... now I get to 'glamour' myself? If you let me glamour my jewelry into nothing-ness, that could work... but still, Glamour?!

Please & Thank You SE!

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1. You only need ONE level 50 then you can use glamours on any class regardless of level. Its a level 50 quest to unlock the skill not a 50 level requirement. Same concept as the overmelding skill.

2. A lot of people disable the head gear anyway.. You can deal with it until you upgrade. Its a coding issue. They way its going to work is that the vanity gear is attached to the gear you wear. If there isn't gear in the head slot there isn't anything for you to bind the vanity gear to.

3. [EDIT: I was wrong] Still not a real issue... Why does the name bother you again?

Do your research and do be so picky for 3 weeks worth or Glamour usage.

you should change the original post to reflect that #2 and #3 were removed after discussion. Because I was very confused.

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Originally Posted by Gesser

You misunderstand. There is one-slot->multi-slot (e.g. Odin) which is NOT possible & multi-slot->one-slot (e.g. Hooded Robe to Unhooded Robe) which IS possible, however you can't then equip a head-slot.

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I misunderstood nothing.

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Originally Posted by Gesser

BONUS (OPINION): The Name.

Mirage Prism was 1,000x better. It's already bad enough I'm forced to display earrings on my rugged male Hyur... now I get to 'glamour' myself? If you let me glamour my jewelry into nothing-ness, that could work... but still, Glamour?!


P.S. I'm not complaining, I just dislike the name. My emphasis lies more in the female-connotation of being "glamorous" in a Western Society... which' why I bring up the point I can't hide my earrings or necklace. Some may disagree, but I already feel forced into too much femininity in the game already.

Please & Thank You SE!

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Monsters use glamours in game if you'd pay attention. Many leve's the Imps use them. Get over it, Mirage Prism is no better than Glamour, stop being stuck in the stone ages out of "fear" of a word.

I fully support the idea you have to have a level 50 job accomplished to glamour your gear.

It is surprising they haven't figured it out yet considering I'm sure a few were hoping to be able to use Odin's Vanity armor but now they can't.

Honestly I don't see what would be so hard to code, all they would need to do is always give "glamour" visual the priority but saying it like that I now see the issue.

This is prolly the issue they are faced with atm.

You have body armor, put odin's armor on it, it's set for body/hands/legs/feet.

However they don't have a means to set priority to which piece should be shown over the other, so while Odin's armor might work in a scenario where glamour hasn't been set on the hands/feet/legs, if a player were to put glamour on a hand/leg/feet piece in which the body had the odin piece, it wouldn't be able to prioritize which piece it should visualize and it most likely caused a crash in the system.

This however could be rectified if they were to create a priority list to the visuals, however they do have to keep in mind that what if different pieces come out with differne priorities how do they set it up.

But it might be easily fixed with the following idea

Equipment that takes 5 visual slots takes priority over all visuals
Equipment that takes 4 visual slots of wxyz takes priority of wxyz visuals
Equipment that takes 3 visual slots of xyz takes priority of xyz visuals
Equipment that takes 2 visual slots of yz takes priority of yz visuals
Equipment that takes x visuals slot takes priority over x visual

Pretty much the code would need to be worked to look at glamour, figure out which takes priority and then ignore other glamours if they are put into place. Which does sound like it take a bit of time to do.

The reason why it's easy to make the head/body piece look like a body and not vice versa is because the head/body piece is only taking up one slot, so there is no priority issue to consider since they can't put anything on the head piece

But on the flip side, since a single piece body being attached with a body/head visual, still leaves option to add a visual to the head piece and since they most likely are still working on the kinks to make it possible they just can't allow it atm.

Isn't the mirage prism item still in the game as a sort of firework?

1) Not even remotely possible. When you change a cowl to look like a robe you are still getting the full stat boosts from something that takes two slots. What would be ridiculous is letting someone get all of those stats plus the benefit of an added head piece they otherwise wouldn't be able to wear. Unless you're expecting SE to release an entire line of statless gear and a change how said gear is equipped just to benefit people that happen to wear cowls.

2) It's the "Glamour" system and it uses Mirage Crystals. I seriously do not understand how people still do not understand it considering this complaint has been around since they first mentioned the system. Glamour is the perfect name for this system because not only does it reference making something more attractive but has a secondary definition of being a magical enchantment.

3) How exactly did you forget you were making a list of 3 things after your first point...

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Originally Posted by Gesser

BONUS (OPINION): The Name.

Mirage Prism was 1,000x better. It's already bad enough I'm forced to display earrings on my rugged male Hyur... now I get to 'glamour' myself? If you let me glamour my jewelry into nothing-ness, that could work... but still, Glamour?!


P.S. I'm not complaining, I just dislike the name. My emphasis lies more in the female-connotation of being "glamorous" in a Western Society... which' why I bring up the point I can't hide my earrings or necklace. Some may disagree, but I already feel forced into too much femininity in the game already.

Please & Thank You SE!

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First off:

In many witchcraft practices, a "Glamour" is a spell used to cast an illusion on yourself or another item that makes it/you look different. (i.e. - Glamour your hair color to look brown instead of blonde, eye color to be blue instead of green, etc.) So "Glamour" makes perfect sense since we're basically casting a spell onto our gear to change their appearances to that of something else.

Secondly,

"forced into too much femininity"? How?

Also, why are feminine things automatically bad anyways?

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Originally Posted by Gesser

Mirage Prism was 1,000x better. It's already bad enough I'm forced to display earrings on my rugged male Hyur... now I get to 'glamour' myself? If you let me glamour my jewelry into nothing-ness, that could work... but still, Glamour?!


P.S. I'm not complaining, I just dislike the name. My emphasis lies more in the female-connotation of being "glamorous" in a Western Society... which' why I bring up the point I can't hide my earrings or necklace. Some may disagree, but I already feel forced into too much femininity in the game already.

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idk man for someone not wanting to be glamorous, I don't see why you even care about your appearance then.

I agree on this change for multi slot gear however. Does SE really not care to make Odin's gear useful then ?

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Originally Posted by Kyoreore

I agree on this change for multi slot gear however. Does SE really not care to make Odin's gear useful then ?

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my guess is they ran into technical issues that they didn't want to deal with right now.

Oh wow people piss and moan about anything.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

my guess is they ran into technical issues that they didn't want to deal with right now.

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That's what I'm wishfully thinking too. I hope se addresses this in one of their random awkward hotfixes.

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Originally Posted by PlanckZero

I seriously do not understand how people still do not understand it considering this complaint has been around since they first mentioned the system. Glamour is the perfect name for this system because not only does it reference making something more attractive but has a secondary definition of being a magical enchantment.

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"Mirage Prism" sounds cooler than "Glamour". Regardless of how "Glamour" is the perfect word to describe what it does, it's still an ordinary word (and that secondary meaning is an archaic one that many people are not familiar with). I'm female and I'd still prefer "Mirage Prism" because it sounds interesting and magical, whereas "Glamour" does not.

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Originally Posted by Klandestineone

And it sounds like I'm trying to transform into Sailor Moon....

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Um... That's basically what I like about it. Glamours for ordinary humans, Mirage Prisms for magical girls! xD

glam·our
noun
1.the quality of fascinating, alluring, or attracting, especially by a combination of charm and good looks.
2. excitement, adventure, and unusual activity: the glamour of being an explorer.
3. magic or enchantment; spell; witchery.

Etymology
From Scots glamer, from earlier Scots gramarye (“magic, enchantment, spell”).
The Scottish term may either be from Ancient Greek γραμμάριον (grammárion, “gram”), the weight unit of ingredients used to make magic potions, or an alteration of the English word grammar (“any sort of scholarship, especially occult learning”).
A connection has also been suggested with Old Norse glámr (poet. “moon,” name of a ghost) and glámsýni (“glamour, illusion”, literally “glam-sight”).

I did a Google search for "glamorous men". This link was one of the top results: http://www.pinterest.com/jeauxdi/glamorous-men/ - Cary Grant, Clark Gable, Mark Wahlberg, Chris Helmsworth, Bradley Cooper, Pierce Brosnan, Daniel Craig, Johnny Depp, Jude Law, David Boreanaz .. not seeing a problem here.

For the multi-slot item issue, I also hope there is a "fix" for that in the future. While I am in general very happy to be rid of the tin cans and don't mind head gear not showing when I am wearing a cowl, there may be people who prefer the cowl look even when wearing a robe and hat and having a use for the Odin armor would be great. I think it would require glamouring a full outfit though, rather than individual items.

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Originally Posted by Calyanare

"Mirage Prism" sounds cooler than "Glamour". Regardless of how "Glamour" is the perfect word to describe what it does, it's still an ordinary word (and that secondary meaning is an archaic one that many people are not familiar with). I'm female and I'd still prefer "Mirage Prism" because it sounds interesting and magical, whereas "Glamour" does not.

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And it sounds like I'm trying to transform into Sailor Moon....

ITT: I WANT IT MY WAY BECAUSE MY OPINION MUST BE RIGHT.

Just because you dislike the name and how the system is set up doesn't mean everyone else does too. To ask them to change a fanservice feature to your likings is absurd.