Quest-based progression?

How does quest-based progression work in a game where players level multiple classes?

To accommodate the wealth of SP needed, will this mean that all the quests will be mass-produced drivel? Quantity over quality, as it were?

Will the quests have voice-overs or will they be forgettable fetch-quests? I ask only because logic dictates that these quests may in fact be just as monotonous as guildleves. So, of this I ask you, is it really the better option?

I hate guildleves as much as the next person, but perhaps story-driven methods of advancement are even worse if the story is terrible. Nobody likes to read a bad novel. Likewise, nobody likes to do laps around quest hubs filled with inane, skippable dialogue.

I don't mean to complain, but if there is absolutely no motivation for doing these quests outside of levelling up, then they will probably be thought of in the same way as guildleves presently are (boring).

To make the game less grindy, you don't just throw in a quest-grind.

I just hope that one day we get features like the player-run companies, and more zones to explore, things that we actually WANT to do, instead of things we HAVE to do.

To make a proper complaint, you need to actually let them implement the thing.

lolspeculations.

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

To make a proper complaint, you need to actually let them implement the thing.

lolspeculations.

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Well it wasn't so much a lolspeculation as an estimated guess. So far the side-quests leave a lot to be desired, and the "go here do this" quests seem to be the best ones on offer at the moment. So excuse me for expecting nothing more than that.

Just because it is a once-in-a-lifetime quest as opposed to a repeatable guildleves doesnt necessarily mean it will be more engaging. Having lots of monotonous quests may not lend itself to a more enriching gameplay experience than guildleves if the guiding philosophy behind their creation is the same.

What we need is diversity and fun. A sidequest doesnt guarantee that.

you do the same x amount of quests (they will most likely be repeatable) over and over again on each class? if you don't like it, too bad.

I'll also leave this here from the other thread based on the fact that questing will not be the ONLY way to XP.

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If they are talking about implementing XP chains then yes that should be the general idea. Players would be able to:

a) get a light/full party together and run an instance, behest or find a mob grinding camp to get XP. The incentive to do this is that the faster you kill, the more XP bonus you get.

b) solo leves for XP or do them in a party to complete them faster. Remember Yoshida said REDUCTION of bonus not REMOVAL. The XP will not be as great as before but I doubt it will be so drastically reduced that leves will never be worth your time.

c) pickup sidequests or (hopefully daily/repeatable) quests at frontier hubs for XP. They may also optimize some for party play.

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Sit down,
Take a cup of tea,
Enjoy your cookies,
Wait until they implement it.

We've never tried a Quest-based Progression with changeable classes, so we can't say Anything on that before we even try that.
Just take the concept of Eden Eternal as reference for now.

I'm really just expecting the new quests to be the same as guild leves, except from NPCs. Basically take the side quests we have, multiply those with little variations, spread them all over Eorzea and that's what we're gonna get I think.

The new side quests will probably have a nice EXP bonus, but I kind of doubt they'll become the main form of leveling (outside of some repeatable ones perhaps). Think of it more as an incentive to go out and just do stuff. With an EXP bonus you don't feel like you're wasting time doing a quest that doesn't have a reward that you'd normally want.

Well, if you look at the whole game, there is one irremovable base line to exp growth; which is killing the open world monsters. Everything else added the game is somewhat of a supplement to this and will most likely be used to accelerate leveling beyond this base line. Basically, sidequests will be better than killing world monsters if they are intended to be a source of experience and implemented correctly. Otherwise the situation will bear no change.

OP raises a good point about sidequests and leveling multiple classes though. Obviously a lot of quests would have to be added should this become a significant source of experience. And you aren't guarenteed an even distribution of quests either. I'm willing to wait and see though.

Uhh, amnesia dust to the face!....?

Well right now I can only think of some quests could be repeatable on a daily basis. I know it sounds like leves, but it's the only thing that really comes to mind.

Did they ever say it's going to be quest-based progression? The vibe I got is that it's going to be leve-based progression for soloists and casuals, raids/behest/whatever for group based, and quest EXP rewards as a one-time thing.

The only way to make a non-grinding game is to not have levels.

There's no reason to believe that because someone can level other classes that they will be forced to repeat the same quests.

More/Different quests might unlock as you progress different classes.

I agree, that i would like there to be more story to it. Perhaps if classes unlocked specific quests that it could be 1 big chain quest to ultimately unlock Artifact Armor.


In terms of Rank Points (now termed Experience Points) it would be interesting to see leveling from solo/guildleves & party grinding. Then when players reach the R25 dungeon perhaps they could grind that for awhile and go back to solo/leves or grind partying until the R45 dungeon.
As long as the journey of leveling takes them to different sights throughout the game, I'm all for this.


Please pass this suggestion to the devs as well community team. ^^

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Originally Posted by Tezz_Xivectro

There's no reason to believe that because someone can level other classes that they will be forced to repeat the same quests.

More/Different quests might unlock as you progress different classes.

I agree, that i would like there to be more story to it. Perhaps if classes unlocked specific quests that it could be 1 big chain quest to ultimately unlock Artifact Armor.

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Agreed. I want questing to not only be a viable means of SP gain, but to be meaningful. Please don't make them all shallow repeatable filler. I want real nitty-gritty story-driven questing.

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

Agreed. I want questing to not only be a viable means of SP gain, but to be meaningful. Please don't make them all shallow repeatable filler. I want real nitty-gritty story-driven questing.

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This is my main concern. If questing is done just to get SP, then such quests will probably take the form of fetch quests or equivalent.

Put yourself in a developers shoes.

It is the easy, cheapest way to create quests. SE is kind of renowned for taking the cheap route. After all, they do fiscal surveys first before they even decide to improve network code. Yoshi said so in the recent interview.

Anyway. So far I haven't even liked many of the main quests nor class quests, let alone the sidequests! And I fear if the whole game is centered on side quests (or worse), then I'd rather just grind!

Hopefully its not like where you get like 10k SP reward from doing a quest with no fight or anything involved, don't want to promote skill less rank 50s that don't have a clue about the class.

Any progression besides simple leveling would be welcome at this point.

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Originally Posted by giftforce

This is my main concern. If questing is done just to get SP, then such quests will probably take the form of fetch quests or equivalent.

Put yourself in a developers shoes.

It is the easy, cheapest way to create quests. SE is kind of renowned for taking the cheap route. After all, they do fiscal surveys first before they even decide to improve network code. Yoshi said so in the recent interview.

Anyway. So far I haven't even liked many of the main quests nor class quests, let alone the sidequests! And I fear if the whole game is centered on side quests (or worse), then I'd rather just grind!

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At the very least if it's like Fields/Grounds of Valor, it's still grinding with the added bonus.

Fetch/Grind quests aren't even bad if it's a part of a chain-quest that has an overall theme or story to hype for the next, etc.

They could add some grindy quests & every so many quests add some cool Cut-scene moments that keep building it up to a final concluding quest.
Building tension/anticipation like this would do wonders if they could hype many quests in this fashion.

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Originally Posted by Synapse

Hopefully its not like where you get like 10k SP reward from doing a quest with no fight or anything involved, don't want to promote skill less rank 50s that don't have a clue about the class.

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Heh, you mean like half of the rank 50s in the game now? People still get to 50 now and have no idea how to play their class let alone the game. I've seen it more times than I can count.

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Originally Posted by JayvirDeforte

Heh, you mean like half of the rank 50s in the game now? People still get to 50 now and have no idea how to play their class let alone the game. I've seen it more times than I can count.

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sadly yes, Guildleve progression also made alot of skillless 50s, but this probably gonna do the same, atleast guildleve had some form of fight.. imo they should give more sp from regular grind(raptors, drake etc.) hopefully with addition of hatemeter, cure and curaga(you know you cant spam this) people will learn how to manage hate and play properly.

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Originally Posted by Richard

you do the same x amount of quests (they will most likely be repeatable) over and over again on each class? if you don't like it, too bad.

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sorry but that the dumbest idea they could come up with why not just allow us to kill X amount of mobs in each area like ffxi?
at least we see new areas and new mobs lol

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

Agreed. I want questing to not only be a viable means of SP gain, but to be meaningful. Please don't make them all shallow repeatable filler. I want real nitty-gritty story-driven questing.

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This. The beauty of that approach is that it helps build up characters related to the quests and even creates staples and VERY memorable characters that aren't exactly vital main story NPCs but remembered nevertheless.

The story in quests is really bad and the lack of cutscenes only makes them worse.
But I'm happy if I never have to hear voice-acting in this game ever again.

Better writing and better quest design. Currently I can't tell the difference between leves and quests so them announcing that leves aren't the center of the game anymore really doesn't change the game that much.

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Originally Posted by Seif

The story in quests is really bad and the lack of cutscenes only makes them worse.
But I'm happy if I never have to hear voice-acting in this game ever again.

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Really? I'd like to have more voice-overs, actually. :/

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Originally Posted by Seif

Better writing and better quest design. Currently I can't tell the difference between leves and quests so them announcing that leves aren't the center of the game anymore really doesn't change the game that much.

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That's certainly an issue. :(

I've been trying to cut the dev team some slack because I know the pressure is on and the clock is ticking to get major overhauls to basic systems completed. But now that side-quests will be a new option to level, they've now taken center stage, as well. Just because they're called side-quests (never been very fond of the name as it implies they're of lesser importance), doesn't mean they should be insignificant. In fact, they're now just as important as any other means of leveling.

It's fine if leve objectives aren't the most engaging. They're meant to be impersonal mercenary work orders picked up at a counter. You don't need to interact with anyone to get the job done. But quests are different, and should feel different. Not only because you're interacting with NPCs, but you're now taking part in a story. I realize they can't all be epic sweeping quest chains (though some of them certainly should), especially since I'm sure they'll be adding quite a few of them to the game now, but they definitely need to be better than leve quality if they're going to be a fun and meaningful means of progression.

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

Really? I'd like to have more voice-overs, actually. :/



That's certainly an issue. :(

I've been trying to cut the dev team some slack because I know the pressure is on and the clock is ticking to get major overhauls to basic systems completed. But now that side-quests will be a new option to level, they've now taken center stage, as well. Just because they're called side-quests (never been very fond of the name as it implies they're of lesser importance), doesn't mean they should be insignificant. In fact, they're now just as important as any other means of leveling.

It's fine if leve objectives aren't the most engaging. They're meant to be impersonal mercenary work orders picked up at a counter. You don't need to interact with anyone to get the job done. But quests are different, and should feel different. Not only because you're interacting with NPCs, but you're now taking part in a story. I realize they can't all be epic sweeping quest chains (though some of them certainly should), especially since I'm sure they'll be adding quite a few of them to the game now, but they definitely need to be better than leve quality if they're going to be a fun and meaningful means of progression.

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personally I'd rather have more voiceovers too. Everything in this game is so muted and boring. And I miss hearing that funny lalafell from the Gridania scenario quest.

What's the point of employing such funny voice actors if you're just going to under-utilise them?

And it's true that they need to be better now that the emphasis has been shifted onto these socalled "side" quests. Maybe they could have got away with the inferior quality before, but not now.

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Originally Posted by giftforce

And I miss hearing that funny lalafell from the Gridania scenario quest.

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Me, too! Cracks me up!

"Oh, Rhalgr take you and your great beyond!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xnhhJisWNs&t=2m36s

Quest Grinding in FF XIV would be very hard (we need thousands of quests ingame for all classes) or very boring (many many repeatable quests for all the classes who can't make the other quests anymore). Quests would be a part of the big picture, but not the biggest part.