[Suggestions for SE] to prevent RMT

In my opinion it might be a good idea to "legalize" RMT by making Crysta tradeable in game.
This way players don't have to buy gil from illegal sources, taking away the means of existence for RMTs. Also by selling crysta in game, the community can determine the exchange rate of real money to gil.

This won't recover the economy on its own, but it might help to hold off illegal RMT activities if SE decides to improve the in game economy.

What do u think about it?

Buying Gil with real money?

Pfft, get outta here with your pay to win non sense.

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Originally Posted by Gextiv

Buying Gil with real money?

Pfft, get outta here with your pay to win non sense.

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And yet it works/worked in at least 2 other games. I'm not saying it's right for THIS game, but dismissing it out of hand is wrong.

This won't prevent RMT, nothing will. Look at Diablo III, you could legally buy gold from the RMAH, and as dead as that game is right now there are still tons of RMT around.

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Originally Posted by BozoBlanco

This won't prevent RMT, nothing will. Look at Diablo III, you could legally buy gold from the RMAH, and as dead as that game is right now there are still tons of RMT around.

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You'll never completely be rid of RMT, but if you can effectively cripple them in your game, they don't become much of a nuisance.

Because this worked SOOO well in Diablo 3. -_-

In case you didn't know. They ended up deciding they had to remove that feature. It didn't work, and it turned the game into pay the play. This is a bad idea.

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Originally Posted by ispano

You'll never completely be rid of RMT, but if you can effectively cripple them in your game, they don't become much of a nuisance.

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Considering there is almost nothing worth farming for, or even buying with that gil outside of a house, they've already crippled them. The shouts are down significantly from what they were at launch, and I'm on Balmung the second most populated server according to some numbers. This game has taken it too far though. Now the economy and therefore the players are suffering because they were too heavy handed in their anti-rmt changes to the economy.

I think for the RMT issue, would be nicer to cripple their advertising instead, by having a set of incoming tell filter options, something on the log tab maybe. (edit: didn't come out right first time)

Allow /tells:

-*From people in friend list
-*From people in FC / LS's
-*From people I have sent tells to
-*Whilst recruiting in Party Finder
-*Whilst in instances (ok, that one's just mean, won't open that can of worms here, but if you can't send tells for the reason they claim that people might be abusive in duty finder then... why not?)
- From established accounts (30 day+ sub time)
- From players at or above level: (additional number entry field) (default maybe 10)
- From new accounts (<30 day sub time)
- From RMT (oh if only)

*default settings
There's downsides of course, but to be honest... but we can already set /away status so this is just an extension.. partially /away you could say. The first time you get a filtered tell, it could pop up a context help on adjusting the setting if required.

I think I'd prefer it to legal crysta trading, which, as has been pointed out above, doesn't really stop RMT in games which have similar systems.

The less micro transactions in my P2P game - The better.

So to prevent the rmt, you must become the rmt.



I say S.E should just get to the root of the problem, the gil buyers, just ban them all. Problem solved.

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Originally Posted by Doo

So to prevent the rmt, you must become the rmt.

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Not exactly, since SE won't have any benefits from it. It will just allow player A to pay sub fees for player B by in game trade.
Better: To prevent the RMT, the community must become the RMT. So they can determine the prices.
Also you can not earn real money for Gil, since you can't exchange Crysta back to money.

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Originally Posted by Doo

I say S.E should just get to the root of the problem, the gil buyers, just ban them all. Problem solved.

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And how do you want to figure out, if s.o. really bought gil or was just unknowing? If both sides are not stupid, you can't figure out.

Another benefit of making Crysta tradeable might be an increase of the worth of Gil. At the moment there is really no need to farm Gil except buying a house. But if you can pay your subscription with Gil, it gives farming a meaning.

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[Suggestions for SE]

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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

At least use search (and think) to understand why your old idea is so bad.

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Originally Posted by cotti

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

At least use search (and think) to understand why your old idea is so bad.

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Instead of blaming me, help me out and give me a link where this was discussed before. And then tell me, what i sould have searched for to find this thread.

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Originally Posted by apfelwein

In my opinion it might be a good idea to "legalize" RMT by making Crysta tradeable in game.
This way players don't have to buy gil from illegal sources, taking away the means of existence for RMTs. Also by selling crysta in game, the community can determine the exchange rate of real money to gil.

This won't recover the economy on its own, but it might help to hold off illegal RMT activities if SE decides to improve the in game economy.

What do u think about it?

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I don't think this would work like you think it would.
Most if not all free to play games have it so you can buy your way through the game, yet RMT still exist, still spam the shouts, and/or tells and still work to control certain parts of the market.

The only thing that will truely stop RMT is if people don't buy, as they still are around that means there are still buyers.

As long as there is a demand there will always be someone to fill the supply side, nothing anyone can do can stop it. However there are ways to reduce it and SE has been doing OK at reducing it.

They main problem is they are suppressing and killing the economy as much as they can in order to kill the RMT.
Remember RMT make gil the same way we do just on a larger scale through bots. So you kill the markets for the RMT you kill the market for the game.

The way it was done in 11 was to have deterrents, and to break up known bot groups, Also possibly fix the tell system so that Bots can't spam random tells to everyone on the server. Beyond that there is not much else that can realistically be done without turning the game into a dry instance only treadmill.

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Originally Posted by apfelwein

Better: To prevent the RMT, the community must become the RMT.

And how do you want to figure out, if s.o. really bought gil or was just unknowing?

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Seems like that model is more suited in f2p games. Legalizing gil buying will put pressure on regular players into buying it as well because they now want that large house they couldn't afford back then. So now you got a play to pay game that makes you feel like you need to spend even more.

I assume they can just follow the money trail of bots that they have banned.

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Originally Posted by apfelwein

Instead of blaming me, help me out and give me a link where this was discussed before. And then tell me, what i sould have searched for to find this thread.

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The problem I see here is you have yet to acknowledge that another game (diablo 3) did exactly this. It didn't stop RMT, it turned the game into play to win, and it eventually was determined that it was so bad to the player base that they needed to remove it from the game entirely. People have tried exactly this plan, and it failed spectacularly. What makes you think for even 2 seconds that this would be any different?