Ban Times?

So I got banned for using a self made emote with a friend..apparently people around us couldn't handle it even though it had nothing to do with them.

Anyway, I got my account suspended but it didn't specify what the duration of the suspension is. Anyone know the actual ban time? because it only said a minimum of 24 hours...

Well if it said. 24hours. how long as it been so far?

and also your freedom to do what you like, stops at the beginning of other people's feelings.

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Originally Posted by Valmar

Well if it said. 24hours. how long as it been so far?

and also your freedom to do what you like, stops at the beginning of other people's feelings.

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It said minimum..didn't say maximum.

I didn't see how the emote could hurt other peoples feelings when it wasn't even directed at them or to them in any way.
It's like walking on the street when you see two people arguing/making sexual gestures..ect. It has nothing to do with you, so just move on

Was it in any way offensive? I can't see how you got BANNED for a silly emote unless it included either racism, excessive profanity or explicit Ascii art.


I miss my old middle fingers macro I had in XI now that I think about it, rofl. Ah well. They seem to be way more sensitive about that sorta thing now though so gotta be careful what you say/do.

But if that argument sounds violent or that sexual gesture is lewd, you do have the right to call the police. And there may be laws against it so the police have the right to tell you to go home, give you a citation, or arrest you based on the circumstances.

I suggest doing inappropriate emotes somewhere secluded if you don't want a public reaction.

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Originally Posted by NefGP

Was it in any way offensive? I can't see how you got BANNED for a silly emote unless it included either racism, excessive profanity or explicit Ascii art.


I miss my old middle fingers macro I had in XI now that I think about it, rofl. Ah well. They seem to be way more sensitive about that sorta thing now though so gotta be careful what you say/do.

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IMO, it wasn't offensive. The macro varied simply from kiss to punch to kill and flipping off. But due to the populations age..this is considered inappropriate, so I'm just going to have to accept this and move on.

Just wanted to know when my ban will be lifted

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Originally Posted by jabbywocks

But if that argument sounds violent or that sexual gesture is lewd, you do have the right to call the police. And there may be laws against it so the police have the right to tell you to go home, give you a citation, or arrest you based on the circumstances.

I suggest doing inappropriate emotes somewhere secluded if you don't want a public reaction.

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Sure it would be public indecency, however I did not think I would cross the line into harassment when no one was getting harassed. And my friend also copped a ban for the same reason.

You think performing sexual gestures in public is acceptable? You might want to think again. Based on a recorded GM interaction I have seen, you are free to do so somewhere where you are not going to annoy others, but not in the crowd.

And nope, we cannot help you with your ban time, we cannot know it. My guess is 72 hours + a review for a permanent ban.

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Originally Posted by Sove92

You think performing sexual gestures in public is acceptable? You might want to think again. Based on a recorded GM interaction I have seen, you are free to do so somewhere where you are not going to annoy others, but not in the crowd.

And nope, we cannot help you with your ban time, we cannot know it. My guess is 72 hours + a review for a permanent ban.

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This isn't the 1800's where everything is repressed. Sexual gestures includes kissing, a sociable accepted way of displaying affection.
But that's not what I got banned for, I got banned for harassment. Wheres the harassment when it was a mutual and used as a joke to enjoy the game?

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Originally Posted by Desecret

This isn't the 1800's where everything is repressed. Sexual gestures includes kissing, a sociable accepted way of displaying affection.
But that's not what I got banned for, I got banned for harassment. Wheres the harassment when it was a mutual and used as a joke to enjoy the game?

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You offended someone in the area (which led to the ban) so its clearly wrong. Whispers/Guild chat might be a better place for it.
As for the time of the ban, i'm hoping its only 24 hours, its strange to list the minimum time and not the maximum time.

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Originally Posted by ItzKris

You offended someone in the area (which led to the ban) so its clearly wrong. Whispers/Guild chat might be a better place for it.
As for the time of the ban, i'm hoping its only 24 hours, its strange to list the minimum time and not the maximum time.

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Thank you. It's sad how people get offended by the smallest things. But I wish SE would put the maximum time instead of minimum time; since I believe minimum time could mean weeks

they should have sent an email with the ban time amount...

I hear what you're saying op. Unfortunately in todays' gaming times anything that is said in say, shout etc.. is not only read by everyone but even if it doesn't concern them, people will throw in a word or comment and of course you will have the few that are aggressive by nature and act on things even if it is not their business to do so. Your comment might infact be quite harsh to many including me so it might be safer to /tell.

My advice, if you're going to say something to your friends, i suggest you do it in a tell.

Of course you can ignore my advice and do as you please since you are free and it is your choice in the end but if so then be prepared for stuff like this.

Hope your suspension gets lifted soon.

Peace out

I used to see an emote "such and such starts masturbating wildly in the corner".
Not something i want to see.

If you really cannot prevent yourself from erping in game at least keep it to /t's so the people around you don't know how weird you are. Thank you

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Originally Posted by Desecret

Thank you. It's sad how people get offended by the smallest things. But I wish SE would put the maximum time instead of minimum time; since I believe minimum time could mean weeks

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Not everyone is the same. What is not offensive to one person may be offensive to another. A great life lesson to learn, especially so on a video game rather, say, a place of employment.

A ban can be 24 hours,3 days, 7 days, a week, two weeks to permanent.

I'm curious as to what the emote was that you did. Please list it here.

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Originally Posted by Desecret

IMO, it wasn't offensive. The macro varied simply from kiss to punch to kill and flipping off. But due to the populations age..this is considered inappropriate, so I'm just going to have to accept this and move on.

Just wanted to know when my ban will be lifted

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Flipping someone off is against the ToS that you agreed to when you signed up for the game. If you want to break them, you have to pay the price. My suggestion is that if you want to flip your friends off, do it in private where no one else has to see it. You can complain all you want about it not being offensive, but the fact of the matter is, that someone WAS offended by it, else you would not have been reported. FYI, flipping the bird is the same as saying "go F**k yourself". In case you were unaware. And the killing part isn't exactly all that appropriate either. Deserved punishment is deserved.

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Originally Posted by Desecret

This isn't the 1800's where everything is repressed. Sexual gestures includes kissing, a sociable accepted way of displaying affection.
But that's not what I got banned for, I got banned for harassment. Wheres the harassment when it was a mutual and used as a joke to enjoy the game?

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There is a world of difference between kissing someone and telling them to go f'k themselves. And yes, that behavior is considered to be harassment, not just in this game BUT FREAKING EVERYWHERE, genius. In case you were unaware, sexual gestures are considered to be sexual harassment, even if they are not directed at the person who feels harassed by them. I have fired people for less under company sexual harassment guidelines.

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Originally Posted by Marael

Flipping someone off is against the ToS that you agreed to when you signed up for the game. If you want to break them, you have to pay the price. My suggestion is that if you want to flip your friends off, do it in private where no one else has to see it. You can complain all you want about it not being offensive, but the fact of the matter is, that someone WAS offended by it, else you would not have been reported. FYI, flipping the bird is the same as saying "go F**k yourself". In case you were unaware. And the killing part isn't exactly all that appropriate either. Deserved punishment is deserved.

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Sure next time if I happen to pass somebody that is supposedly "having fun" with another person and has nothing to do with me but I find offensive, I'd be sure to report them.

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Originally Posted by Desecret

Sure next time if I happen to pass somebody that is supposedly "having fun" with another person and has nothing to do with me but I find offensive, I'd be sure to report them.

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So long as they are making sexually explicit gestures, or something else that is offensive and against the ToS, you would be justified in doing so. Otherwise, you'd get another ban for griefing. Seriously, do I REALLY have to spell this out for you? Are you REALLY this dumb? Offensive is offensive. Period. No matter that you are just having fun with friends. If others are around, and your having fun with friends is making them at all uncomfortable, it is called harassment. Save things like offensive gestures for PRIVATE times if you don't want to be reported for them. In other news, the sky is blue, water is wet, and 1+1=2.

To the OP, I don't agree with getting banned for an emote that was really just in fun.. however it doesn't surprise me in the slightest. This is the company who didn't want to give everyone the chance to lay down outside of FC housing because people might use it in an inappropriate way, and won't let us whisper in dungeons because they're afraid we'll harass others. Hopefully your ban is over soon, and you'll be more careful going forward in public places.

Well that seems like a slight over-reaction on the responding GM's part. You think they would have at least given you some kind of warning first.

Assuming that's really why the ban was dropped on you, it's pretty much why I hate the community in this game now. :( Everyone reports people for everything.

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Originally Posted by avecha

I used to see an emote "such and such starts masturbating wildly in the corner".
Not something i want to see.

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It's an emote for crying out loud. You're not actually seeing someone perform the act. Are you really that offended by the idea?

People can be ridiculously fussy.

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Originally Posted by Marael

So long as they are making sexually explicit gestures, or something else that is offensive and against the ToS, you would be justified in doing so. Otherwise, you'd get another ban for griefing. Seriously, do I REALLY have to spell this out for you? Are you REALLY this dumb? Offensive is offensive. Period. No matter that you are just having fun with friends. If others are around, and your having fun with friends is making them at all uncomfortable, it is called harassment. Save things like offensive gestures for PRIVATE times if you don't want to be reported for them. In other news, the sky is blue, water is wet, and 1+1=2.

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You should look up the term 'harassment'. It doesn't fit the definition you have in your mind.

Also, your manner is quite fowl. No need to talk to people that way.

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Originally Posted by Marael

So long as they are making sexually explicit gestures, or something else that is offensive and against the ToS, you would be justified in doing so. Otherwise, you'd get another ban for griefing. Seriously, do I REALLY have to spell this out for you? Are you REALLY this dumb? Offensive is offensive. Period. No matter that you are just having fun with friends. If others are around, and your having fun with friends is making them at all uncomfortable, it is called harassment. Save things like offensive gestures for PRIVATE times if you don't want to be reported for them. In other news, the sky is blue, water is wet, and 1+1=2.

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Ironically by calling me dumb, you have violated TOS and I find that very offensive.

Reported.

But on a serious note, your tone isn't helping anyone.

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Originally Posted by zakalw3

You should look up the term 'harassment'. It doesn't fit the definition you have in your mind.

Also, your manner is quite fowl. No need to talk to people that way.

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Here is the definition for people to view.

-Harassment-
The act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions of one party or a group, including threats and demands.

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Originally Posted by Jonjon

Here is the definition for people to view.

-Harassment-
The act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions of one party or a group, including threats and demands.

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If the emotes were being repeated, like spam, people would report the op and it would probably fit this definition. I have seen people suspended for spamming /slap on a friend. They also were reported and suspended for harassment even though the friend being slapped had no issue with it.

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Originally Posted by Rath

If the emotes were being repeated, like spam, people would report the op and it would probably fit this definition. I have seen people suspended for spamming /slap on a friend. They also were reported and suspended for harassment even though the friend being slapped had no issue with it.

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My case was pretty much like this. I'm fine with the ban even though I see it as abit unfair, but I don't mind. What I'm actually concerned about is the actual ban time, it didn't specify how long it just but just the minimum time which was 24h

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Originally Posted by Desecret

My case was pretty much like this. I'm fine with the ban even though I see it as abit unfair, but I don't mind. What I'm actually concerned about is the actual ban time, it didn't specify how long it just but just the minimum time which was 24h

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It's set like that because they investigate to see if you have any other previous ban records (including forums) and such. If you don't, you get a full time sent to your email (which is usually 1 - 3 days) or if you've repeatedly been banned, it can go for a week - perma.

Much like forum bans are minimum of x hours, then goes to 10 days, then 2 weeks, then perma.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

It's set like that because they investigate to see if you have any other previous ban records (including forums) and such. If you don't, you get a full time sent to your email (which is usually 1 - 3 days) or if you've repeatedly been banned, it can go for a week - perma.

Much like forum bans are minimum of x hours, then goes to 10 days, then 2 weeks, then perma.

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it only said minimum 24h...so I assume its only 1 day then cause this is my first offence

This thread offends me greatly, reported!

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Originally Posted by waldo

This thread offends me greatly, reported!

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I always found this kind of thing pathetic. Like people in WoW who say "reported for reporting". Not only is it not productive, it then adds work to overworked GMs who also need to fix actual problems. If you are not reporting actual things that cause issues, you have zero reason to complain when it takes a long time to get a GM to help you when you really need one. Boy who cried wolf anyone?

OP, Doesn't matter if you didn't find it worth reporting, someone did, and the GM agreed that you broke the rules. Some people think botting doesn't affect anyone, and shouldn't be ban worthy, but most and the gms agree it's worth a ban. If you didn't actually do anything bad, you wouldn't have gotten banned from just being reported. Learn from it, don't do it again.

Touchy people are touchy, people wonder why the world is completely stupid.

this game is catered towards carebears.

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Originally Posted by Valmar

Well if it said. 24hours. how long as it been so far?

and also your freedom to do what you like, stops at the beginning of other people's feelings.

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I hope this is sarcasm. Anyone remember witch burnings? Kind of the same thing.

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Originally Posted by rabbitzero

I always found this kind of thing pathetic. Like people in WoW who say "reported for reporting". Not only is it not productive, it then adds work to overworked GMs who also need to fix actual problems. If you are not reporting actual things that cause issues, you have zero reason to complain when it takes a long time to get a GM to help you when you really need one. Boy who cried wolf anyone?

OP, Doesn't matter if you didn't find it worth reporting, someone did, and the GM agreed that you broke the rules. Some people think botting doesn't affect anyone, and shouldn't be ban worthy, but most and the gms agree it's worth a ban. If you didn't actually do anything bad, you wouldn't have gotten banned from just being reported. Learn from it, don't do it again.

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I think you misunderstand the sentiments behind "reported for reporting." Few--if anyone--are actually reporting anything. They are making fun of the nanny state syndrome sweeping the nation. On top of that, most tickets sent to GMs are frivolous, including the "I'm offended, please punish that guy" tickets. So, if someone did send a complaint about a frivolous thing and it overworked the system, perhaps the system shouldn't cater to frivolous claims.

BESIDES: The game is rated Teen. It advertises many devious behaviors included by developers, but then punishes players who offend other players with their actions. I got a warning for using a /sit emote and cited as harassing, which made no sense. But, someone was offended, and SE decided to punish me to show me who's boss by using an unrelated TOU that was violated when my action was unspecified in their TOU.

Point is, world needs a hug, and governments (GMs are a form of government if you think about it) are quick to dish out. It's ridiculous, but that's how the world works. Now when I log in, all I do is stand there so as not to offend anyone.

(That's sarcasm by the way)