People need to speak up more for Alchemist buff.

People have spoken up for buffs/fixes on many things, SE implemented many of them but Alchemy is one thing that's still being very overlooked. This crafting class is pretty much worthless compared to culinarian. I'm not even talking about money making. It's the absolute horrendous cooldown on pots - somewhere from 4 to 5 minutes. That makes people only carry food to raids, not pots when they were both (top tier crafts) intended to be used in raids. In my opinion, the cooldown timer should be 60 secs.

If that's too much of a buff, perhaps they can go for different timers. 120 secs for 1/2 star crafts and 60 secs for stuff like HQ mega potions - which are still quite useful. It's only the timer that has become a barrier. They could also increase duration on some stuff because 10-15 seconds are not enough for casters to land a few attacks. I hope this buff arrives with patch 2.2 because it has been long overdue.

Yeah quite useless apart from some Potions, to craft Books or wands, but thats about it.

Agreed. Crafting needs work overall, but Alchemy and Culinarian especially, considering their intended use.

the potion is act as buff like blood or blood, raging strike and those similar so I am fine with the duration but the CD is a bit to extreme. Imo the CD should be equal with the skill have similar effect 90 sec to 180 sec.

I am ALC and trust me when I say I make 0 gil from the potion (stats, hp,mp) my only income atm is selling mats make by ALC

I dunno about you, but I absolutely adore strength pots.

I agree that alchemy needs help in the money making department, but I'm more interested in leveling it for providing potions for myself.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

Agreed. Crafting needs work overall, but Alchemy and Culinarian especially, considering their intended use.

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What?! What more can you ask for Culinarians?

Though I agree with ALC, it's just absurd to share the cooldowns of each potions. But IIRC, Yoshi-P already made an statement about this before. I just can't recall where.

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Originally Posted by Thorauku

What?! What more can you ask for Culinarians?

Though I agree with ALC, it's just absurd to share the cooldowns of each potions. But IIRC, Yoshi-P already made an statement about this before. I just can't recall where.

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Cooking has a lot of bloat, both in terms of how many foods there are that are never used and in how many ingredients it takes just to prepare a single dish. For example, a lot of the high-level recipes aren't used because of their ingredients and their (currently) unreachable stat caps. Culinarian is great, but it could use some tweaking to make it more user friendly and to better encourage the use of a wider variety of foods.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

Cooking has a lot of bloat, both in terms of how many foods there are that are never used and in how many ingredients it takes just to prepare a single dish. For example, a lot of the high-level recipes aren't used because of their ingredients and their (currently) unreachable stat caps. Culinarian is great, but it could use some tweaking to make it more user friendly and to better encourage the use of a wider variety of foods.

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Every crafted item should require 6 materials, but I agree about the 2 star food

I totally support this message. I haven't used a potion in a very long time, and much of that reason stems from what the OP said. The CD's are ridiculous, and there is no reason that all potions should share the same CD. Second Wind does better (or at least equal to the high end pots) and only has a 120sec CD when cross-classed (I think). And also the same with BfB to Str/Dex pots, BfB is only an 80sec CD. Drop the CDs on potions!!!


Oh yeah, I guess I use Cordials every now and then... :\

Putting all potions on a common cooldown is beyond stupid. That said, the cooldowns on most potions would be fine, if their cooldowns did not affect other potions. A stat potion may provide only a short-duration buff, but the buff is strong enough that it could be considered as useful as a job-ability buff, like Fight or Flight.

The fact that you can arrive at, say, a Titan fight, and have an inventory with Health Potions, Earth Resist Potions, and Strength Potions, all of which could be useful on Titan, and are forced to choose just one is really silly. Simply removing the universal cooldown would breathe new life into Alchemist.

Making items usable through user macros would help as well, so you could combine potion use into other macros (e.g., a macro that uses Fight or Flight, or if Fight or Flight is on cooldown makes you use a Strength Potion instead).

Cooking is easy, just change Food back to how it worked in 1.23 with each category boosting different stats, instead of the same 3~4 in differing values.

I've been screaming about it since Phase 2 of beta when they changed them all and no one listened or cared it seems. If meats still gave a straight up boost to STR and Attack, rather than VIT + Acc + DET/CRIT you'd probably see them eaten far more often. Same for sweets and INT + Magic Attack etc. etc. 'cause you know, heaven forfend we we get primary stats from food buffs.


As far as fixing ALC goes, it'd help if the meds were stronger and/or didn't wear off so soon. The stat potions can be quite powerful, but oh yay, 15 seconds... that's enough time for 1, maybe 2 rotations if you got enough skill/spell speed. That was SO worth the cost.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

Cooking has a lot of bloat, both in terms of how many foods there are that are never used and in how many ingredients it takes just to prepare a single dish. For example, a lot of the high-level recipes aren't used because of their ingredients and their (currently) unreachable stat caps. Culinarian is great, but it could use some tweaking to make it more user friendly and to better encourage the use of a wider variety of foods.

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It's pretty logical that the 2 star foods can only be used in high-end gears. We're not even there yet, not even close. Come 2.2 and we'll see a drastic change in foods that people will use.

As for the recipe, it's pretty logical that foods requires atleast 6 crafting materials.

Regarding the potions, probably push the duration to atleast 30s. That'll be pretty reasonable considering the cooldown of it.

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Originally Posted by JayCommon

Oh yeah, I guess I use Cordials every now and then... :\

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Alch can't even make cordials ; ;

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Originally Posted by Ferocious

People have spoken up for buffs/fixes on many things, SE implemented many of them but Alchemy is one thing that's still being very overlooked.

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lol yeah i would like them to make buff potions useful too, but right now alchemist is the best moneymaker. if you haven't figured out why yet, you haven't been paying attention to the marketboards.

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Originally Posted by NefGP

Cooking is easy, just change Food back to how it worked in 1.23

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You mentioned 1.23, incoming "Thread off topic" lock

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Originally Posted by Aegis

You mentioned 1.23, incoming "Thread off topic" lock

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Only because people get bum hurt and start attacking anyone who likes anything other than what ARR offers you. They really do need to bring back 1.23's food system or bring in XI's system, this generic "enhance "off stats"" type of system is fine for a bit but let's be real, a lot of times people use food for the vit boost just to have something used because if your gear is up to snuff, the boost from food won't be THAT noticable, 2 star will be once our cap is raised though.

Hrm, LineageRazor after a rapid check, it appears that poisons and status cures share the same cooldown and healing (both HP and MP), ward (elemental and status) and attribute (all of them) share another cooldown.

attribute, wards, and healing should all be on a separate cooldown from eachother, and none of them should be the current 5 min cooldown.

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Originally Posted by Skies

Hrm, LineageRazor after a rapid check, it appears that poisons and status cures share the same cooldown and healing (both HP and MP), ward (elemental and status) and attribute (all of them) share another cooldown.

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Hmm... If that's the case, I must have screwed up in my testing somehow... I'll go back and verify. Still stand by my user macro request, though.

potent silencing poisons can be used on ADS...but other than that useless.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

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Two star food may be unused by smart people but according to the rate at which 2 star food sells on the market on my server I really don't think that it needs to be changed at all. Culinarian is by far the most profitable crafting class in the game right now due to the fact that it's a consumable resource and tons of people are still buying two star food regardless of the stat caps.

Not to mention 2.2 is right around the bend in march and I'm sure once the new gear is introduced we'll finally be able to hit those stat caps as expected. Food in general is easy to make, the materials are easy to obtain and cheap to buy in most cases, and unless you can't get 100% HQ the only reason to complain is that it takes up too much inventory space which isn't even that bad.

On another note, I agree that alchemy needs to be changed. In its current state it's pretty useless, but then again so is crp.

i wish ALC was like Tactics and not a crafting class... oh well. how i would love having a gun and using /throw to toss a potion or buff item at the party.

Crafting at least simple dyes would be nice.

Unless you already can at higher levels and I just don't know.

I want alchemists to be able to make fantasia.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Crafting at least simple dyes would be nice.

Unless you already can at higher levels and I just don't know.

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All crafts can make dyes at 30+

Bards would love to have 2 potions. Giving us an mp potion to increase our Foe timer really helps with overall DPS, and a DEX potion for all of our CDs would help tremendously. Right now I only use HQ Elixirs during burn phases so my Foe is up longer, but I would like to increase my dps too.

Give us separate timers please! Also decrease the CD timer, or at least increase the duration.

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Originally Posted by NyneAlexander

attribute, wards, and healing should all be on a separate cooldown from eachother, and none of them should be the current 5 min cooldown.

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Also again, in XI certain meds were really potent but left you in a medicated status - this would be perfect IMO for the stat potions. Have them last at least a few minutes, but leave you medicated afterwards so you can't use any others.

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Originally Posted by Muzy

All crafts can make dyes at 30+

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Sweet. 30's my next goal for em.

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Originally Posted by NyneAlexander

Alch can't even make cordials ; ;

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Cordials are too OP, so carrying those in infinite amount would be a bit much. But I wouldn't mind if they make another version for it in Alchemy that's half as powerful, that would work.

The cool downs are terrible for potions. And there are a lot of potions that I've asked ppl if they even use, so far they've said no but someone buys them. The are the potions(hi,mega,etc) of vitality, mind, dexterity, etc. The effect lasts 15 seconds. So many people I've asked said they really aren't useful.

If someone has experience with the potions raising an attribute for 15 seconds, let me know. It's just such a short time.

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Originally Posted by Kieren-Dohla

The cool downs are terrible for potions. And there are a lot of potions that I've asked ppl if they even use, so far they've said no but someone buys them. The are the potions(hi,mega,etc) of vitality, mind, dexterity, etc. The effect lasts 15 seconds. So many people I've asked said they really aren't useful.

If someone has experience with the potions raising an attribute for 15 seconds, let me know. It's just such a short time.

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I use VIT potions on my WAR in certain cases. I treat it like a mini thrill of battle. Or I can go balls out and drop a VIT and thrill for some cases like catching the orbs in ultima EX.

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Originally Posted by Kieren-Dohla

The cool downs are terrible for potions. And there are a lot of potions that I've asked ppl if they even use, so far they've said no but someone buys them. The are the potions(hi,mega,etc) of vitality, mind, dexterity, etc. The effect lasts 15 seconds. So many people I've asked said they really aren't useful.

If someone has experience with the potions raising an attribute for 15 seconds, let me know. It's just such a short time.

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I buy HQ Int potions. Due to the duration, it's only good 1 maybe 2 spells at best, so I use it with Raging Strikes + Swiftcast + Shadow Flare. A boost is a boost.

That said, due to the cooldown it's very hard for me fit it into a regular rotation, it's very very situational. I wish it wasn't, I'd use more of them. The CD is disproportionate to the duration. If they want to keep the outrageous CD, they need to increase the duration to make it worthwhile. And there's a small animation lock to it, not very happy about that.

Potions really suck in XIV. Even if they did fix them though, the game still throws them at you, making crafting them fairly redundant... I find it annoying that X-Potions, X-Ethers, Hi-Elixirs and Mega-Stat potions are thrown at people constantly through dungeons/Treasure Hunts...

At the very least get rid of the shared global cool down for all. There no reason that I cant use elixer > hi elixer > mega elixer as a rotation. The 5m cooldown for such short effects is not worth it.

Alchemy should let you transmute materials into another kind.

Potions could stand to last 5 or 10 seconds longer.

I also find it weird that Alchemy isn't the go-to class for dyes. Last I checked, cutting a log with a saw does not produce a bottle of dye.

Someone on the dev team might be a fan of the old AD&D "Potion miscibility" chart :)

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dnd/20060401b

Consuming a second potion (in D&D and 2.0 AD&D) while still under the influence of a previous potion could have... undesirable effects.

potions were useful in ffxi where you had so little to do that popping an elixir/potion with a 2hr added up but in the current state they should have been made a 15m buff that wears after death (much like the previous incarnation of food). There are plenty of other problems for SE though at the moment, I'd say more useful consumables would come after spicing up their extremely dull stats/lack of customization available to endgame armor.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

Agreed. Crafting needs work overall, but Alchemy and Culinarian especially, considering their intended use.

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huh the hell u talkin about, culinary is printing monies like crazy and both alchemy+culinary saved u TONS of monies for raiding

We spoke with the Item Lead who brought up a few points about medicines.
Currently items were designed to be used sparingly, and as a result the re-use duration is set longer. We don't want to create a scenario where players are expected to regularly have a whole host of healing items taken to each activity, nor a situation where players in a healing or enhancing role would not be necessary solely because of items.

Food is designed with a different duration in mind specifically as well, because the concept of these items are quite different.

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Originally Posted by Hvinire

We spoke with the Item Lead who brought up a few points about medicines.
Currently items were designed to be used sparingly, and as a result the re-use duration is set longer. We don't want to create a scenario where players are expected to regularly have a whole host of healing items taken to each activity, nor a situation where players in a healing or enhancing role would not be necessary solely because of items.

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Items are used as an emergency fail safe (in the case of restorative items) or a temporary boost. (in terms of stat boosting potions) As it is, the high end restorative potions are a joke. The amount they heal versus the amount of damage you take at the end game are disproportionate. A Hi-Elixir can't even heal for the amount of damage a Tumult does.

1.0 handled consumables a lot better I think, in terms of potency anyway. An Elixir in 1.0 was good for a full heal I think (could be wrong) but they were good enough to consider having on you for top tier progression. It had a 15 minute cooldown so a choice had to be made between using it or a stat boost potion. If it came down to completely saving my life though that's a choice I'm willing to make. The healing power of a Hi-Elixir in ARR is just laughable.