Job lotting for dungeons

Dunno if this has been brought up before, did a couple searches but didn't find anything so forgive me if people have suggested this...

People have many level 50 jobs they want to gear up and are asked to go to a dungeon as a specific job to ensure a win. It would be nice if SE allowed us to specify a job they are lotting for in coil or CT or whatever that they are allowed to Need on instead of hoping those jobs will pass on it so you can get a Greed lot in.

Ex: Want to gear your WHM that's ilevel 60something in CT. Use your ilevel 85 tank to make the run go smoother. WHM gear drops but you can't lot it.

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Originally Posted by panicmotion

Ex: Want to gear your WHM that's ilevel 60something in CT. Use your ilevel 85 tank to make the run go smoother. WHM gear drops but you can't lot it.

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Honestly, if you won't go into CT with an i60+ WHM, you don't deserve to need the loot...req is i50 and you can heal CT really easily as long as your party doesn't have MT and OT for KB...even then...its not really that hard unless your other heal gets locked-out or catches a case of the stupids (like, stands next to comets while IG is out)...

And i85 tank? Yeah...that's FAR from what's needed too. I can tank KB fine with an i63 WAR, and that's really the only "hard" tanking fight in the dungeon (and no, the heals weren't amazing either last time I did it, since I picked up KB from my party's other, i80+ tank who had died...)

There are two options to get what you are asking for currently in the game.

1) go as the job you want the gear on. CT is by no means hard and 1 person on a specific job will not save a failing run. Since coil 1-5 are going to be in the duty finder soon the above applies as well. I feel like if your class isn't geared enough to complete the content it doesn't deserve the gear unless

2) go with a free company group with pre set lotting rules. When my FC does ct we talk about the gear before everyone gobbles need or greed, for coil we have 2 set classes, primary/secondary nobody does anything until we know who is taking a shot at it and then we decide if it's BiS then primary takes priority. If primaries have BiS from myth then secondaries can decide if the primaries can lot for vanity.

i was only using CT as an example. how about extreme primals? you have those accessories already on your ilvl 85 job, want them for your others. would you suggest avoiding doing those fights on your second job for the gear until that job has gone thru the same progression your first high ilevel job went thru?

my FC does have pre-set lotting rules. but i'm talking about doing runs with partyfinder/pickup groups when your FC isn't around to gear up.

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Originally Posted by panicmotion

my FC does have pre-set lotting rules. but i'm talking about doing runs with partyfinder/pickup groups when your FC isn't around to gear up.

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So, what's stopping them from lotting the same class you want? Still goes up for Need/Greed then, and what happens when you lose that?

Nothing changes overall.

If you want a certain item and won't play the class that can Need it, you need to play with your FC or a group that has pre-set rules.

1. Create your own party finder and excludes the same job as you (if possible)
2. set up rules for party finder and hope people will follow it, (exp: must be willing to not need or greed for "job" loot)
3. run with your FC
4. use party finder, if there is a same job player presents in the party, asking them what they are looting for.

I hate fighting over loots, so if i found out someone was looting the same thing as me, i would either leave the party or create my own.

I very strongly disagree with this. It's a horrible idea. What that does is make it significantly more difficult for the person who is actually on their job. It's one thing to roll against the other healer, or other tank whatever.

You want to roll on healer gear or tank gear etc. Play the class.

I'm gearing my DRG in CT (since PLD has Valor gear) and if I have to go as tank I either go with my Free Company and they know I'm lotting on DRG items or I look for a group in Party Finder that does not have a DRG as a dps. If I'm forced to go in with Duty Finder then I just queue as DRG any ways. There's a lot of options.

I sometimes go into CT on my SCH and I do make pre-made dungeons for these with Party finder. When the group is about ready to jump in I let them know, "Hey I will be casting lot on X item, does anyone else need it?" If so then I usually say, "Can you please greed roll with me?" If not then just will have to play that class to secure that role.

Most of the time people are always willing to greed. If you make the group, usually people are more obliged to help out.

I think its better how it is now. It forces people to play a variety of roles which is enriching not just for the player themselves but also for others as you get more of an understanding how a role works first hand. This hopefully means less people raging at a tank to use a skill they haven't gotten yet etc. Etc.

Otherwise everyone would just get full heavy allagan armour as a black mage and try and tank without any experience.

TL;DR I'm done gearing my main. Let me take gear from yours for my alts.

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Originally Posted by Githiun

I very strongly disagree with this. It's a horrible idea. What that does is make it significantly more difficult for the person who is actually on their job. It's one thing to roll against the other healer, or other tank whatever.

You want to roll on healer gear or tank gear etc. Play the class.

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How does it make it more difficult for the person who is actually on their job? Either the loot rules were stated in advanced in Party Finder, and they were ok with those rules joining, or in Duty Finder, they can Need the item and those people not on that job will always lose out. They can't need. They can only greed. And if they can only greed, in Duty Finder, without a Party Finder loot rules laid out in advanced, then don't be surprised if anyone else greeds or needs the item. Seems simple and not really hard on anyone.


So, you only roll Need if your current class can use it? If your current class cannot use it but another one will you NEVER greed it?

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Originally Posted by WhaleBiologist

TL;DR I'm done gearing my main. Let me take gear from yours for my alts.

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They can't. For your alts, they can only greed. The other people on their main? They can need. The people that greed will never win, unless the people that need only greed or pass.

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Originally Posted by Mykll

They can't. For your alts, they can only greed. The other people on their main? They can need. The people that greed will never win, unless the people that need only greed or pass.

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We have that system. Unless I am misunderstanding you and you want ANOTHER option which is between greed and need, so that people playing the class get first dibs, then people that lotted for it, then people who greed. This would only be a slight improvement over the current system though, because for one, it would only be used if you see gear drop that no other main job wanted, and it would also be open for lotting for the other 5 potential players. It makes the whole system much more convoluted when you have the greed option there (poorly named in this instance) which could ideally be used only by people who have a class at the appropriate level to use the gear dropped. You also already have a third option at a lower priority, which is letting the item time out. I consistently see people who STILL don't understand how looting works and end up with a monk belt from CT because they never explicitly passed on the item.

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Originally Posted by panicmotion

People have many level 50 jobs they want to gear up and are asked to go to a dungeon as a specific job to ensure a win. It would be nice if SE allowed us to specify a job they are lotting for in coil or CT or whatever that they are allowed to Need on instead of hoping those jobs will pass on it so you can get a Greed lot in.

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I'm afraid I would be against it. I don't think anyone on their main class should ever be forced to compete against someone's non-present alt class.

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Originally Posted by Deifact

I think its better how it is now. It forces people to play a variety of roles which is enriching not just for the player themselves but also for others as you get more of an understanding how a role works first hand. This hopefully means less people raging at a tank to use a skill they haven't gotten yet etc. Etc.

Otherwise everyone would just get full heavy allagan armour as a black mage and try and tank without any experience.

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This is a great point... Remember all the fate levelers...? When they got to end game most of them had no clue what to do and the community suffered because of it...

I've played games where you can roll Need on things that your current class does not need....and it sucks.

If you want loot, play on the class you want the loot on. You already can gear your alt classes in full i70DL before you even play that class.

I roll Greed on every item I come across (except in CT) for the sole reason of turning them in to my Grand Company for seals.

I buy a lot of stuff from the Grand Company (barding, minions, outfits for fun) and I just switched to Maelstrom (bought everything I wanted from Flame) so I'm needing a lot of seals to do all of my promotions.

The loot system is perfectly fine the way it. If you're on job A and an item drops for it, great, if you need it roll Need. But if an item drops for job B, then greed away and hope that no one needs it for their current job. They system is kinda hard to abuse, nothing wrong with it.

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Originally Posted by Alindra

If you want loot, play on the class you want the loot on. You already can gear your alt classes in full i70DL before you even play that class.

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My DRG had full DL the moment I turned 50 and I'm currently leveling up a healer and already have all healing DL except for body/head combo (and my highest healing class is WHM at 38)

this game could use loot control pretty badly. loot master or have it set to everyone greed.

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Originally Posted by WhaleBiologist

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I misunderstood you then. No, I do not want another system. I think the way it is now works fine. People can't take gear for alts if a main is around that wants it.

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Originally Posted by Vivejun

this game could use loot control pretty badly. loot master or have it set to everyone greed.

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I can see loot master being abused. Everything to greed and no longer have a Need roll is bad. If I am a tank or healer, I would only want to be rolling against the other tank or healer, not against ALL 7 other members of the Full Party.

So much gear hits the floor in CT anyways I usually just go as w/e job I want to play and still get loot for other jobs =\