'Heavy' doesn't make the world feel dangerous, it makes it annoying.

So this is something that didn't initially annoy me, but has gotten progressively worse as the weeks go on of doing everyday tasks, particularly beastmen quests. It feels like every mob, particularly higher level, has a potential to inflict heavy on you as you ride by. It feels relatively high to me, honestly. Like 10-20%. You have a couple options when this happens.

1) If you can jump off your mount and Esuna/Leeches/Tempered Will, you can lose heavy, but you have to sprint until you lose aggro/the mob gets 'leashed'. But there's still a chance the attacking mob can reinflict heavy. Which is truly a head-desk moment.
2) You jump off the mount, kill the mob, and usually heavy will be close to be gone/be gone. Go on with your way, until the next mob inflicts heavy, anyway.
3) You ride it out hoping it won't get reset by another attack...but it's, what, 20 seconds? Ugh.

It's been said that these mobs are so easy because they're trash mobs, and why make trash mobs a pain to kill? Well, why make trash mobs annoying as hell to exploration/travel on the same token? I wouldn't be upset if it was a move that normally inflicted heavy that inflicted it, like blizzard or stone...but a random punch? An arrow? Does not compute.

This just doesn't translate to a 'dangerous world'. It translates to a 'world of mild inconvenience.'

Even though it annoys me, I like to think that the arrow hit my character in the leg hence why they are moving so slow. But I definitely agree, the Heavy status ailment makes it annoying to travel through the Beastman strongholds. I'd rather they be dangerous, not just make me sluggish.

I remember when I played on my Holy Priestess in WoW of in infamous "Daze", where you'd turn to run away from a mob, only to have your movement speed cut in half, making it a nuisance to navigate Azeroth without having to stop and fight every mob. If they want to make the world dangerous they could you know, make trash mobs less trashy and not take 5 seconds to kill. Make mobs hit harder and have a variety of status effects, make they like with each other. I don't mean "incredibly tough" but enough for 2-3 mobs to be a threat to a player the same (item) level.

Enemies should not be able to heavy you if your level is equal to or higher than theirs. Level 49s should not be able to heavy a 50.

They should make it where mobs skills are closer to player versions. It's nice getting hit with a Fire and having it inflict Heavy, or getting hit with Stone and it not.

If you aggro them they should knock you off and stun you, that way you feel a little more danger and try to actively avoid them instead of riding past them and getting annoyed they managed to get a spell off on your before they de-aggro.

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Originally Posted by Nadrojj

If you aggro them they should knock you off and stun you, that way you feel a little more danger and try to actively avoid them instead of riding past them and getting annoyed they managed to get a spell off on your before they de-aggro.

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There will be 0 sense of danger with your suggestion as long as the mobs still have 0 chance of killing players.

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Originally Posted by ForteXX

They should make it where mobs skills are closer to player versions. It's nice getting hit with a Fire and having it inflict Heavy, or getting hit with Stone and it not.

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It's like player versions. When hit from exactly behind, you get Heavy. Melee guys just don't have the time (especially if mounted), and usually self-buff before giving chase.

I've grown rather fond of immediately turning around and triple flaring things that dare +Heavy me...

...still annoying though.

I think they should just make mounts immune to heavy. That way if you just try to run on foot, the enemy can still slow your movement, but if you are already on a mount (can't mount in combat) and riding by, then the heavy won't affect you.

Makes me want to switch to my whm while traveling around just to remove that debuff but I am usually not in the mode to switch jobs all the time.

20 seconds is just overkill. I wouldn't care if it was something short like 5 seconds, even when used by players. That's all the time it takes an enemy to walk to you if you don't move, and it's plenty of time to get out of melee range when you need to get away. If I wasn't a WHM I'd be cursing and swearing up a storm every time I run back to turn in my daily quests, instead of just grumbling about it and sprinting onward after Esuna.

This is one of those things that bothers me literally every day, but I was never proactive enough to post about it. Good on ya, OP. Although I have this feeling that it will never change and complaining about it is futile. But stranger things have happened I suppose.

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Originally Posted by SchalaZeal

It's like player versions. When hit from exactly behind, you get Heavy. Melee guys just don't have the time (especially if mounted), and usually self-buff before giving chase.

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No, its not like player versions. Fire doesnt cause Heavy, and Stone does. (Unless Im really missing something about how skills work, as Ive never had it happen)

I would rather have to figure out ways to travel around mobs like in 1.0 rather than deal with this stupid heavy they have. Drives me crazy when its about to wear just for it to get reapplied.

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Originally Posted by Parodine

It feels like every mob, particularly higher level, has a potential to inflict heavy on you as you ride by. It feels relatively high to me, honestly. Like 10-20%.

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Actually every mob has this ability and can do so with any of their attacks, it's just harder to notice it with lower level mobs because most aggressive mobs under level 40 are melee, and the ones that are ranged are less likely to be in your way.

But yes, this is nothing more than a nuisance and doesn't make the beast tribe stronghold any more dangerous.

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Originally Posted by Synra

I think they should just make mounts immune to heavy. That way if you just try to run on foot, the enemy can still slow your movement, but if you are already on a mount (can't mount in combat) and riding by, then the heavy won't affect you.

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These mobs never inflict heavy on you if you are on foot, only if you are mounted.

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Originally Posted by Sove92

These mobs never inflict heavy on you if you are on foot, only if you are mounted.

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Exactly why you can just sprint through the strongholds. Really the only place this is an issue is in Zanr'ak where its harder to avoid the mobs entirely, but even there you can just sprint and train the entire zone.

I think it's funny that you want them to either remove this nuisance or make the mobs an actual threat (multiplying the nuisance several fold).

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Originally Posted by Gilthas

I think it's funny that you want them to either remove this nuisance or make the mobs an actual threat (multiplying the nuisance several fold).

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And why should they have this nuisance of a heavy, if it's not making the mobs any more dangerous? Its only purpose atm is to annoy you.

I think the name change from 1.0 is really confusing, I've seen so many people say that all enemy attacks induce Heavy, which is kind of true, but still not. If you see it as most attacks having the added effect of Heavy, no sense at all is made. The status effect that you got if attacked while mounted used to be called "Lame", basically the chocobo gets hurt and runs slower, which makes a lot more sense. It was a way to make it harder to travel through bunches of enemies with high level (which doesn't even exist now), so it has effectively turned into nothing but an annoyance and seems to exist for no other reason than "it used to be that way".

(Lame used to wear off if you dismounted, you could then re-mount without the Lame status after de-aggroing. They need to bring this back.)

It's like repair costs; either they're meaningful and painful (launch), or they're so trivial that they're more of an annoyance (now). Mobs aren't dangerous at all; even with Heavy, they're not going to come close to killing you. That just makes being forced to run through them in twice the time annoying. So either remove or reduce the duration/effect of Heavy or make it meaningful by making the mobs actually dangerous.

No, really, I find it sad that an adventurer can prance around in the elite beastmen strongholds with no repercussions. Some "stronghold."

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Originally Posted by Gwaeron

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I am aware of the Lamed status and how it worked, but the status you now get when mounted is Heavy, there is no indication of Lamed anywhere anymore. And yes, every mob, at least every aggressive mob has the ability to inflict this.

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Originally Posted by Lyrinn

It's like repair costs; either they're meaningful and painful (launch), or they're so trivial that they're more of an annoyance (now). Mobs aren't dangerous at all; even with Heavy, they're not going to come close to killing you. That just makes being forced to run through them in twice the time annoying. So either remove or reduce the duration/effect of Heavy or make it meaningful by making the mobs actually dangerous.

No, really, I find it sad that an adventurer can prance around in the elite beastmen strongholds with no repercussions. Some "stronghold."

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Yeah I've been really disappointed with how pathetic the strongholds are. The strongholds should be dangerous places; like open world dungeons. Instead they're just more of the same...

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Originally Posted by Gilthas

I think it's funny that you want them to either remove this nuisance or make the mobs an actual threat (multiplying the nuisance several fold).

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If they removed the heavy effect, then all the trash mobs would retain their easy difficulty and remove the annoyance to travel. Danger doesn't really change much. Their vision of 'trash mobs' doesn't change.
If they wanted to make the mobs in the strongholds and other areas a more significant threat instead of just heavy, then I wouldn't complain either. In some areas, I'd actually welcome it.

I just don't see the point to it now. As it stands the heavy doesn't make the mobs stronger in any facet or really give a perceived 'threat'...it just literally feels annoying more than anything.

All this talk of Heavy but no one has mentioned Sticky Tongue?!

Or avoid detection?

They made it that way with the dailies in mind for solo play.

If they wanted to amp up the difficulty, they could. Just a question of whether the people who want it changed outweighs those who want it to remain that way.

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Originally Posted by Grembo

All this talk of Heavy but no one has mentioned Sticky Tongue?!

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That's also annoying but at least it only wastes 2 or 3 seconds of your time, as opposed to the 20 from Heavy. (I also usually have Stoneskin on so it doesn't work on me. :3)

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Originally Posted by Grembo

All this talk of Heavy but no one has mentioned Sticky Tongue?!

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Also, more of an annoyance than a threat. In 1.0 they would be able to use it CONSTANTLY to trap you in their melee range.

Seriously tho. Heavy from aggro on mount is so dumb. Just knock me off my mount at the same chance percentage. If it's not lame. It doesn't make sense.

Lame my mount, force me off it like 1.0. Heavy, despite dismounting afterwards, is one of the things that isn't necessarily a conscious grinding of gears, but it will add a few straws to the camels' back each time.

Must say I have gotten somehow used to it. Wanna do the tribe quest? Be prepared to be attacked constantly from enemies who can't do any really harm to you. They are annoying as hell, especially when you wanna check out the map but can't open/close it because yet another enemy has spotted and is targetting you.

I mean the DEV's have chosen these locations for a reason (I guess) but when I ask myself "would I go there if not for the dailies", the answer is a clear HELL NO lol.

Some people would like to have notorious monsters back, others would like to have a World that is more dangerous in general. I for once prefer not to be interrupted at all when I am following "my business" aka making leves or tribe quests. I find it annoying to look for something while having 2-3 mobs on my ass constantly. But alas, in the end I want the damn shards and tomes and GIL from the quests so I keep on doing them and get more and more used to the annoying parts of it.

Wow might as well remove the mobs. I think the STRONGHOLDS should be harder to get into

Just so you guys know, the Heavy effect is a % chance from taking any damage from behind the mount, which is almost always if you are zipping trough.

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Originally Posted by Hiraki

I would rather have to figure out ways to travel around mobs like in 1.0 rather than deal with this stupid heavy they have. Drives me crazy when its about to wear just for it to get reapplied.

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Even in 1.0 it got the heavy debuff

From 1.19 patch note:

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If attacked from behind while on chocoback, there is a chance that the blow will cause a player's chocobo to lose speed.

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But I find it sad that this one seems not to be ingame anymore:

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If a chocobo takes too much damage, he will buck his rider and escape back to his stables.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

Yeah I've been really disappointed with how pathetic the strongholds are. The strongholds should be dangerous places; like open world dungeons. Instead they're just more of the same...

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The problem is that there are no enemies higher than 49 in the strongholds. In 1.19 they were 50-57.
Yoshida should at least put in some level 53 in the strongholds. They are strongholds after all, not some beastmen camps.

It's not even the player's chocobo that's losing speed because you still move slowly after dismounting.

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Originally Posted by Gwaeron

(Lame used to wear off if you dismounted, you could then re-mount without the Lame status after de-aggroing. They need to bring this back.)

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This. /10char

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If a chocobo takes too much damage, he will buck his rider and escape back to his stables.

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Actually this is still in the game, it just requires you to be like 20 levels below the mob's level...

I wish they would change it to where it's like a charm effect. If you're on a mount and it takes damage it could be spooked, so how about instead of just 'Heavy' u lose the ability to control what direction your chocobo travels and you cannot dismount because the chocobo is erratic and it would be 'too dangerous to dismount'. Unless you take so much damage that the chocobo bucks you off.

OMG yes! Not only is this ability pointless, it's absolutely irritating! It wouldn't be so bad, but 20 F'N seconds??? Really? Why the heck would they add movement control effects by mobs on the field? And especially 20 seconds. Not to mention, most classes have to cleanse for it. >.< It's like SE wants us to stop playing.

You shouldn't be able to "travel through" beastmen lolstrongholds in the first place.

Heavy are make for be annoying because there are no diminished return.

I HATE the Sylphlands!