Haukke HM Fatal Allure

I've run this dungeon quite a few times and when I ran it tonight with my FC, all was going well. Until the final boss.
Adds were burned down well, lb on the last add, then all crud breaks loose. Now I can deal with beguiling mists, it's fine. But we encountered an attack we hadn't seen before, "Fatal Allure." If you're unsure about the attack, she one shots a party member and uses their hp in a "Blood Rain" attack. It wiped us multiple times. I wouldn't call it an issue with not downing her fast enough. She casts it very early in the last phase with 25% health left.:confused:
I've found some different things on this attack, but nothing too helpful. Can anyone offer advice on this attack?

i don't remember her using that...

maybe you hit enrage for the boss? i never encountered such an ability.

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I wouldn't call it an issue with not downing her fast enough

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That's exactly what it is. She'll do the Charm 3 (maybe 4) times, and then that's it, you lose. My FC calls her the flying Demon Wall. I imagine if the party member she eats has low HP it won't kill you, but most healers are not going to let that happen. You need to DPS her down more quickly and she'll never use this.

If you want to run a trial on the HP theory, first we need to find out if it's 3 or 4 times, this has only happened to one of my groups, and it was when it was first released, so I have no idea. Then, on her last time, need to leave your HP low, hope to hell she doesn't eat the healer, then *spam* heal when she eats the party member and see if it matters.

EDIT: Sorry, misread your post! Thought you were referring to when she ate her adds.

Yes, Fatal Allure is pretty nasty. Instead of eating adds, she instead starts eating party members! This is pretty suckish, but if you can maximize the DPS output on her during that last 25%, then you should be fine!

Like others have said, after the third allure she starts eating the lowest health member. You can survive this by leaving a person at low health after the third allure, but you need to kill her very quickly after that point as she'll just keep eating someone each allure. As a side note, I had a group where she ate 3 people before I was completely drained and unable to res or heal anymore, the blood rain will do about 1.5-2.5k if you leave someone low.

I've only seen this once, and it was because DPS was really low. I think its like a mini rage timer. Like someone said before it was after like 4 charm rotations.

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Originally Posted by Marick

Like others have said, after the third allure she starts eating the lowest health member. You can survive this by leaving a person at low health after the third allure, but you need to kill her very quickly after that point as she'll just keep eating someone each allure. As a side note, I had a group where she ate 3 people before I was completely drained and unable to res or heal anymore, the blood rain will do about 1.5-2.5k if you leave someone low.

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She can actually use that before the third one, if the dps is too low. Seen it happen myself.

You know I've always been curious about this part of the fight because I've heard mixed things. I'll be looking forward to if the OP confirming if it can before she cast beguiling mist(that's the charm right?). I've had no fatal allure even with 4 charms in groups before and in other groups I've seen it after three. It'd be interesting to hear a more in depth explanation of what exactly happened.

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Originally Posted by Nekodar

She can actually use that before the third one, if the dps is too low. Seen it happen myself.

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So either there is an overall fight enrage timer, which would be easy enough to verify or there's some other funky thing causing it.

Woah, she does it with your group, too?
Most disgusting boss ever. I've never went back to Haukke HM thanks to her.

Usually survive fatal allure by leaving someone low hp throughout intentionally (if I'm the healer) and notice that total DPS is abit lacking.
Alternatively it'd be possible to swiftcast-raise a dead DPS as sacrifice just in time >:D Nyahahahaha
Glad that never had to happen... almost...

I've only seen this happen a few times, and in all cases the party DPS was a bit on the low side, so I think that's the main contributing factor here. However, there also seems to be a factor that says how fast she will start doing it in the fight. In one case for me (not enough to call it proof), she used Fatal Allure immediately after Lady Amadine was killed. It was also the lowest DPS run I've ever had (both DPS had sub-50 weapons). There may be an internal "parser"-like control where the lower your overall DPS on her is, the faster she uses Fatal Allure in the fight.

If (and this is a strong 'if') this is true, this fight is more of a DPS check than we originally thought. This also means SE should seriously look at the minimum iLevel requirement.

If she randomly does it, it might be a % thing. Like a 5% chance after a charm. 10% chance after two charms, and so on.

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Originally Posted by Velox

I've only seen this happen a few times, and in all cases the party DPS was a bit on the low side, so I think that's the main contributing factor here. However, there also seems to be a factor that says how fast she will start doing it in the fight. In one case for me (not enough to call it proof), she used Fatal Allure immediately after Lady Amadine was killed. It was also the lowest DPS run I've ever had (both DPS had sub-50 weapons). There may be an internal "parser"-like control where the lower your overall DPS on her is, the faster she uses Fatal Allure in the fight.

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I really doubt there's such a complex mechanic at work here. Like you think if throughput drops below 300 DPS she is more likely to to use Fatal Allure? I'm assuming in that run your team LB'd Lady Amadine? How was their progress on the other adds? I think it's safe to say if the adds are not wiping you then general DPS ought to be on track to meet whatever the enrage is, it would be consistent at least. It'd be weird if somehow you hit some sour spot of DPS being good enough to do the adds but not good enough to get her down without allure coming out.

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Originally Posted by Tule

If she randomly does it, it might be a % thing. Like a 5% chance after a charm. 10% chance after two charms, and so on.

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This would be a pretty crazy way to do the fight, but at this point it's either some overall enrage timer or some crazy mechanic like you described above. Maybe I'll try to get some people to run it with me and just wait her out to see if she just throws out Fatal Allure at full health.

Our party consisted of a +1 Relic DRG with all DL and 2 myth, SMN w/Ifrit's Codex and about 3 or 4 DL pieces, WHM with CT and DL gear, and PLD with all DL and Garuda Weapon. Lowest geared was the summoner.
She usually used the allure after the 3rd Beguile.

You have six minutes from the moment of engage until she starts eating party members.

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Originally Posted by Stormblossom

You have six minutes from the moment of engage until she starts eating party members.

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You tested this? It really makes the most sense out of anything, I guess maybe all her babbling about how she thirsts might be clues to this?

One of my FC mates who actually likes the zone *shudder* timed it out in a group he was in that was failing to it repeatedly one day and said it was exactly six minutes after engage that she started eating people every time. I haven't timed it myself, but I trust him. ;)

Works for me. It's always less than 6 mins for my groups to kill her, so can't contest it.

I like the zone too. :p I'll run that over WP anyday.

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Originally Posted by Stormblossom

One of my FC mates who actually likes the zone *shudder* timed it out in a group he was in that was failing to it repeatedly one day and said it was exactly six minutes after engage that she started eating people every time. I haven't timed it myself, but I trust him. ;)

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If it drags out that long in a normal fight against Halicarnassus, the dps IS too low...
Nice to know the timeout though. Knowing that I can as healer leave a sacrifice in case she's low enough that she'd go down within reasonable time after the enrage.
If she's at 25% like the OP stated, it's not worth it though. Better to wipe and see what can be done to improve the situation.

I encountered this attack for the first time yesterday when running with a DF group. I couldn't figure out why it was happening. Low DPS makes sense cause they had trouble taking down the ads and I had to help dps them all, even the first one she summons. It was definitely a run of firsts for me >_>

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Originally Posted by jabbywocks

I encountered this attack for the first time yesterday when running with a DF group. I couldn't figure out why it was happening. Low DPS makes sense cause they had trouble taking down the ads and I had to help dps them all, even the first one she summons. It was definitely a run of firsts for me >_>

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Tank should help with the adds anyway. :( At the very least, the second set with two adds. They can mess up your healer really fast with poorly timed void thunder III if dps don't interrupt. Or if you were healing, that can't hurt either if dps is low.

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Originally Posted by Aethaeryn

Tank should help with the adds anyway. :( At the very least, the second set with two adds. They can mess up your healer really fast with poorly timed void thunder III if dps don't interrupt. Or if you were healing, that can't hurt either if dps is low.

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I've helped with the second set (taking one while the DPS killed one/lowered it's hp), and even with the Lady. But it was the first time I've been in a group that couldn't down the first ad by themselves. DPS were a bard and a dragoon. It was odd to me.

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Originally Posted by jabbywocks

I've helped with the second set (taking one while the DPS killed one/lowered it's hp), and even with the Lady. But it was the first time I've been in a group that couldn't down the first ad by themselves. DPS were a bard and a dragoon. It was odd to me.

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Really, the tank should be ready to stun/silence the stoneskin from the first add, because that just adds a lot of unnecessary hp to Halicarnassus, and they should grab the third add while the dps burn down the second. And of course they grab and help burn down Lady Amandine.

I love this dungeon. It's the go to place when I need mythology.

I've heard how many charms you get is dependent on how many npcs you saved at the beginning.

Save no npcs = she's going to do it almost right away = you're screwed.

No, that has nothing to do with it, my first run, we saved no NPC's, and she didn't do Fatal Allure(My mind keeps wanting to make it Fatal Attraction... HURRRR), in fact, I've never had her do it, mostly because I'm lucky with my groups and we kill her in 5m or less usually... But that's besides the point, it's a timed soft enrage.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

I've heard how many charms you get is dependent on how many npcs you saved at the beginning.

Save no npcs = she's going to do it almost right away = you're screwed.

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Saved all npcs during the run player was eaten. Timed enrage is more plausible.

As a tank, I've always naturally helped with the adds. Actually I think if you just rush the boss, the boss will eat the adds faster than if you do nothing and let time pass. It's just from a general feeling, though, I have not tested it.

My hypothesis is that the boss eats an add when any of the following is true:

• Add is at 0HP
• A set time has passed since the summon
• Boss HP drops to (or by) a certain %

I think the last point is why I often run into groups where the total dps was entirely adequate (from previous trash packs and bosses), yet they have trouble killing any of the adds---because they use AoE and maintain DoTs on the boss even while the adds are up. Using the BLM/SMN limit break to hit both the boss and the last add also seems like a bad idea to me, unless they use it to wipe out the add's last bit of health, in which case it's great play.

The fight is structured so that the tank would already have a solid enmity lead on the boss when adds appear. And it's only natural for a tank to want to grab the adds, too, anyway.

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Originally Posted by Worm

I really doubt there's such a complex mechanic at work here. Like you think if throughput drops below 300 DPS she is more likely to to use Fatal Allure? I'm assuming in that run your team LB'd Lady Amadine? How was their progress on the other adds? I think it's safe to say if the adds are not wiping you then general DPS ought to be on track to meet whatever the enrage is, it would be consistent at least. It'd be weird if somehow you hit some sour spot of DPS being good enough to do the adds but not good enough to get her down without allure coming out.

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This is correct for the most part. I (as a WHM) was the only one who had experience in the dungeon prior. I figured we were gonna wipe anyway, as they could only get the adds down to 25-35% HP at MOST before they were eaten, so I was spamming medica II and medica like crazy to heal thru her AoE, but it was enough to barely limp thru the mobs. Given how slow the mobs were being killed, I just told the DRG to use LB on Amadine because I knew we weren't going to get anywhere with her. This is where it caught me by surprise though, as we didn't go thru the magical allure -> fire IV cycle that my other runs did. She used Fatal Allure on the Black Mage within seconds of Amadine being killed. Here's the odd thing though. After this wipe, we proceeded to try at least 1 more time before giving up. Fight was mostly the same, low DPS on mobs (still think the low iLevel requirement is kinda insane for the 2.1 instances), I'm working my ass off healing thru 2-2.5k rains to prevent a wipe, use melee LB on Amadine again...only this time she didn't do Fatal Allure. In fact, she went into the normal cycle of charming and fire IV cast 3 - 4 times before we killed her. Could she have done FA after all this? I can't say for sure, and I know the conditions on the 2nd run weren't EXACTLY the same (dps know when to expect mobs to pop so jumps on them a fraction sooner than before), but for the most part we were taking the same damage and the fight was progressing at roughly the same rate of time...so I have no clue why she FA'd so soon that one run. Hasn't happened at all since, so it may just be a bug caused it, of which I don't know how to re-create.


I can understand the whole internal enrage timer on the fight, it does make the most sense of all theories here, but the problem is that our 2nd fight easily would have hit the same enrage period as the first fight (our DPS didn't magically get THAT much better in just 2 runs xD) and I never saw FA cast. I'm inclined to believe there has to be something else at play here. Maybe not as complex as a DPS parsing, but something is there working against players that has for now eluded us.


It's not just the last boss either, people are still debating over the exact conditions for what spawns the Steward in the first boss fight in Haukke HM. I've seen pretty much all the theories, from the "if 3 or more skeles are within the circle" to the "steward always spawns from 5-6th circle as an 'enrage'-like mechanic." The craziest one I've seen is that someone suggested the steward spawns if the party's overall HP is too high, so the healer has to actually keep the average HP around 75% to prevent him spawning. Don't ask me how he deduced that logic xD.

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Originally Posted by Ri_ri

Woah, she does it with your group, too?
Most disgusting boss ever. I've never went back to Haukke HM thanks to her.

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She's incredibly easy. I updated the wiki guide with a strat for her: http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wi...e_Manor_(Hard)

As for the Fatal Allure mechanic, I'm not 100% certain. This strat has always downed her before it happens.

It's sort of sad that the exact mechanics are not being figured out because people tend to zerg through the bosses instead of figuring out what causes what.
Knowing the mechanics would help lower geared people to increase their chances of actually clearing.

I know this applies to Pharos Sirius as well and I'm certain there are mechanics in Copperbell Mines Hard that haven't been figured out yet that would make the fights easier.

This dungeon is a dps check basically. If dps sucks or people are so bad geared you may not even pass first boss (already happened to me once when I went healer). Same goes to final boss, if your dps sucks on killing adds you will get in trouble with the rain of blood and if you manage to survive then fatal allure awaits you :D