I really do, now that age of conan online has become free to play very soon.. I think the game should stay free, untill there's way to many people that are playing it....
I think the game is going to stay free...
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06-19-2011, 05:14 PMTheLoveI think the game is going to stay free...
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06-19-2011, 05:15 PMJoekingThis will never happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLove
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06-19-2011, 07:02 PMEugenics
I agree with Joeking :s, You can buy this game for £4.77 and get free delivery but yet i don't see any increase in population and probably never will.
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06-19-2011, 08:37 PMSweetheart
Hmm well, I rather support FFXIV in order to get better and better, than stay free and not so good.
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06-19-2011, 08:42 PMDelsus
Most people that want to play the game are following the changes SE are making and know they are completly overhauling it, the thing with a MMO is that it can be recovered from a bad launch if the devs make the right choices which it looks like they could be doing now.
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06-19-2011, 09:03 PMPetori
I doubt I would continue playing this if it becomes F2P forever. Without fees this games has little room for improvements. It would not be worth it to keep it online.
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06-19-2011, 09:58 PMTerabyt3
Yeah I'm sorry to say I would probably cease playing if it became F2P. That being said I really cannot see that happening.
Also there is no hope in hell I'm willing to pay if we're still 5-6gig of content missing. -
06-19-2011, 10:01 PMRenshi
What? Age of Conan? What's that?
Anyway, imagine that with all the effort Yoshi-P and his Development team to bring the complete FFXIV version out they have to give it Free-to-Play.
Now enter into Yoshi-P's shoes. How does that feel? -
06-19-2011, 10:58 PMLevian
I could maybe see that if AoC was a major player on the MMO stage, but their subscription base is equivalent to Ultima Online. Which was released 10 years prior to AoC. In short, they have the same subscription base as a game released in 1997...all things considered, if I were involved in MMO developement/marketing I wouldn't be looking at AoC to see where the trends are being set, nor attempt to follow in their shoes.
It will stay free. Until they fix it. If they manage to fix it, then it will return to subscription base. If it's never fixed hopefully they'll admit defeat and shut the operation down. But with as much as SE has invested in this endeavor, I think failure is not an option. -
06-19-2011, 10:59 PMElexiaYou can also download and play many MMOs for free that never break the 20k mark when it hits the international version. XI started off very slow and picked up as well and then as of now stabilized around the 100-200k mark. There will be an increase when the PS3 version hits (especially on the Japanese side) just like there was when the 360 version of XI hit and that was late in the game's life when it was "dieing".Quote:
Originally Posted by Eugenics
It's going P2P, the same reason XI will never become F2P, unless you want a cash shop then well yeah it will be F2P.
They'll revitalize XI if so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Levian
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06-20-2011, 12:32 AMEugenics
Even if it does get released for PS3 i don't see many people shelling out 40-45pound for a PS3 game when its selling for under a fiver for the PC.
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06-20-2011, 12:42 AMTheVedis5 on a pc doesnt matter if YOUR PC CANT RUN ITQuote:
Originally Posted by Eugenics
most people dont go for good rigs for their pc and dump everything into consoles
dont underestimate that crowd
pc gaming is a thing of the past for many people, and the only reason certain games sell as well as they do on pc still is cuz they have really really low requirements to run them -
06-20-2011, 01:09 AMAzurusThing is AoC was actually set to be a major player on the MMO stage however it had a failure of a launch, much like 14, so you could look at AoC and see what 14 may end up being like. MMOs with poor launches rarely recover to a good point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Levian
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06-20-2011, 01:33 AMAmsai
I don't think it very likely. Though I do think it is a small possibility given the state of the game. Then again this is a flagship title and not something like Fantasy Earth Zero. I think because of that alone, it wiould be more likely to shut it down then sell off FFXIV to somebody else like gamepot etc. I think they will strive and struggle for some preset amount of success (measured by SE execs in money within a certain period of time), and if it doesn't reach that amount then they will look into other options. If that option is shutting it down, then I cant say I'd be suprised and would watch for their next MMO. If it did become F2P, that just equals B2W more than likely and just about ensures sh*ty and infrequent content, which would in turn ensure I would never play it.
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06-20-2011, 06:02 AMLevianThat's exactly my point. Regardless of what it was set up to be, it failed. That's why it's f2p. Not because the dev team wanted it to be, not because of some new shift or trend in the market, but because it's not doing all that well. In other words, it's in the same hole FFXIV is trying to dig itself out of, and has been for over 3 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Azurus
You can look at the two and draw parallels of what FF may become, but honestly I think SE would scrap the project before letting it flounder around for another 2 years and wasting resources on something that just won't pan out. -
06-20-2011, 06:09 AMWolfie
It's been 9 months and the game is still nowhere near pulling itself out of the hole it's in. It has maybe one saving grace if they nail it for the PS3 release and sell it for 50%-70% the regular price of a PS3 game to entice people.
But if they screw the pooch with the PS3 release, then this game will never see over 50k users, will never be pay to play, and will likely see dramatically less developer activity. -
06-20-2011, 06:09 AMCorrderio
F2P = Crap.
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06-20-2011, 06:15 AMWolfieThe corollary is that FFXIV is F2P because it's crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Corrderio
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06-20-2011, 06:26 AMLevianYup...kind of a dreary outlook, but it's the honest truth. Then again, there are a lot of people hanging around and hoping for improvements, so just fixing it alone should bring in a good number of players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfie
On a side note, all the f2p = crap comments are precisely why I say if it can't be fixed they should just put it out of it's misery. -
06-20-2011, 06:31 AMWolfieI'm sure Age of Conan and Dungeons and Dragons Online had just as many people saying that the game is fine or that it will be fine. The truth is that no, the overwhelming probability is that it won't be fine. First impressions are extremely important in MMOs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Levian
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06-20-2011, 06:38 AMCendresPrecisely. My days of being super duper positive about this game are now over. It has taking way too long for major changes. I am hoping to be able to bite my tongue by the end of June but by golly it's the 30th next week.... So yeah...Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfie
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06-20-2011, 06:43 AMKaiKatzchenUm...so which is it? Is it going to be free... really? Or is it only going to be free until more people are playing it? You say you really think it's going to stay free... then you say it should stay free, and then say well until more people are playing it... so the whole post kind of negates itself since you start out saying it should be free and end with well unless more people start playing.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLove
I doubt very highly they will leave this game F2P seeing that they have put too much time and money into this game to allow that. They also said the game would be F2P only until the basic were fixed and it had more content so they could finish up the PS3 version, and at this time the game will become P2P. I also have to agree with others, if this game stays F2P I'll probably leave because doing so does not give SE the money needed to continue to improve this game. -
06-20-2011, 06:50 AMJynxI hope your willing to wait a while longer, giving the vaugness of the Dev letter XI the update could be anywhere from the 30th to the middle of july.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cendres
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06-20-2011, 06:51 AMBalbanes
Sooooo.... because AoC went F2P, XIV should as well? Not gonna happen.
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06-20-2011, 06:58 AMLevianProbability is a funny thing...no matter how badly the odds are stacked against you, people do win the lottery from time to time. Not that I'm feeling all that optimistic either, but I will reserve judgement until 1.18.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfie
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06-20-2011, 07:17 AMRhomagus
Actually for me, if it maintained its level of not so much awesome, I'd still play it if it were free. It's a decent game only in that it's free. There's no way I'd pay for it.
If something drastically awesome happens then I might be able to see myself paying for it, but the odd thing is I don't think I'd want it to be scrapped entirely. I'm all for an F2P option but considering SE's investment I highly doubt that'll happen. -
06-20-2011, 08:42 AMTerabyt3Oh yes they will. When the ps3 version lands with the expansion pack already on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eugenics
Think about it. PC user £20 expansion pack (Already have game and rig)
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PS3 user (cheaper rig & £45 game AND expansion pack!)
Watch this space next spring, I predict an RoZ-esque release. Albeit with the Garlean Empire attacking Gridania (Changing the map in the resultant destruction), a new storyline, new content regarding the invading forces (hamlet defence anyone?) and new jobs and classes.
Speaking to a few people in the LS and server it would seem none would be surprised fi this actually happened.
As for the time being we are playing essentially in a world at peace. Nothing is really happening. Event he main questline is just a prologue....
It's a pretty Maple Story atm and tbh I'm happy with it F2P...... for the time being. Maybe 'cause I have a firm belief that changes liek I mentioned are being worked in the background (we ain't gonna get to hear about them any time soon, in fact probably not until late winter when I expect a PS3 release date nailed down).
Expect a months free play for all those who dont buy expansion and 2 months for those that do. After that BAM! it's pay day for SE.
Again re-release Spring 2012 - watch this space...... Hahahaha! -
06-20-2011, 09:05 AM_C-a-e-r-i-t-h_You forget that WoW had a failure of a launch too. I mean, servers were down constantly, there was always a line to get in, game was imbalanced, etc. It recovered. AoC failed on its own merits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Azurus
Taking a full MMO and making it F2P is basically giving up on it. The F2P model works for little things that nobody cared about to begin with like FlyFF, but you can't expect to cover your expenses on something the size of FFXIV just by selling mounts.
FFXIV will go subscription as soon as S-E is certain that people will pay the subscription fee. The only reason it's F2P now is because nobody in their right mind would pay to play it. -
06-20-2011, 09:33 AMWolfie
Oh please, WOW's launch was far from failure. It had server stability issues for two months tops, and that's about it. Everything else went by very smooth and it had enough content and non-s***ty features to keep people around. FFXIV had and still has nothing.
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06-20-2011, 10:06 AMindira
if all else fails its gonna turn in to ffxi's rebirth
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06-20-2011, 10:10 AMRadaghastWoW recovered based on it's gameplay. Servers were unstable because they didn't expect such a huge demand or that the game would become that popular. People can forgive things like that if the game is fun to play. This game isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by _C-a-e-r-i-t-h_
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06-20-2011, 10:13 AMJoekingThey had this issue because so many people wanted to play, and they weren't expecting so many players...Quote:
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06-20-2011, 11:37 AM_C-a-e-r-i-t-h_Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfie
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Originally Posted by Radaghast
People being unable to play the game is pretty much the definition of a failed launch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joeking
The main difference between AoC and WoW is that WoW wasn't a failed game.
FFXIV didn't have a failed launch. It just launched as a failure. -
06-20-2011, 12:26 PMWolfieI feel like we're arguing semantics here or that you're trying to narrow down the definition of your terminology in such a way that you come out as right.Quote:
Originally Posted by _C-a-e-r-i-t-h_
WOW's launch was not a failure. It had some technical problems. Technical problems in trying to deal with the huge amount of users that wanted to get in, because the service proved to be more popular than expected. Users that didn't abandon the game en-masse because of those technical problems (or for reasons related to gameplay). Users that stuck with the game a very, very long time.
FFXIV had a failed launch because out of the 600k units that shipped, the game's population peaked at 70k or 80k. People were asking for refunds on this game within the first week, retailers were asking for recalls, and prices were slashed in half at a lot of major retailers within a month. That is the definition of a failed launch -- not server stability issues because your game is too popular. -
06-20-2011, 12:39 PMNeptuneI hope it goes to subscription because I think they'll be able to make enough money that way to continue to pay the writer and production team to bring us more lore!Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLove
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06-20-2011, 12:46 PMWarlyxyeah black and white actually lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Wolfie
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06-20-2011, 01:06 PM_C-a-e-r-i-t-h_WoW had a bad launch. Its servers were a joke for months before they got things under control. Saying "WoW had a lot of server problems at first but it launched perfectly" is a contradiction.Quote:
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FFXIV is a bad game.
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06-20-2011, 01:36 PMWolfieYou're killing me here man. I'm literally dying because we're having an argument over things that we secretly agree with.Quote:
Originally Posted by _C-a-e-r-i-t-h_
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06-20-2011, 01:53 PMZenaku
No way this game going to stay free trust me soon we would have to pay our 12.99$ and 3$ for any other char you have. If this goes F2P i pretty much quit.
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06-20-2011, 02:05 PMRandisThis game is not free to play and will never be unless SE puts up a free download of the client.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLove
ATM this game is 'Buy to play' and if they would continue without monthly fees this game would stay 'buy to play' like Guildwars.
'Free to play' is a whole different business model, its when the developer makes money with micropayments (small transactions for in game purchases, like selling items, game currency) Such games usually have a poor support and are of lower quality, not to mention pretty damn annoying.