Buy Orders

I surprisingly did not find a pre-existing thread suggesting this, so I'm making one myself.

It would help both the players and the game's economy in general if we could post buy orders on the market.

As an example, if we wanted to sell some darksteel ore in such a system, we could see listings not just of all the people trying to sell the ore (most importantly, the lowest prices at which it is offered and the associated quantities and qualities) but also listings of the people trying to BUY the ore and choose whether we wanted to instantly sell it to the highest buy order(s) or instead list it at a higher price and hope someone buys it later. Likewise, if we're trying to buy the ore, we could see listings for people offering to sell it at various prices and buy some instantly or instead post an offer to buy it at a lower price in hopes that the next person looking to sell some will choose our instant gil rather than asking a higher price.

Beyond simple convenience, this will also work to prevent easy manipulation of the market by people that buy sufficient quantity of an item to effectively hide the history of it selling at a low price to then turn around and monopolize its sale at a significantly higher price. The vast majority of these lower-priced items would not be sitting around waiting to be bought by the guy trying to inflate the price and get people to buy RMT gil but instead have already went directly to various buyers via buy orders.

I loved the buy orders in gw2, I wish more mmo's had them. They're so convenient, being able to set a price and quantity that you need. I also liked them setting the default sell price to the current price, a lot of people wouldn't bother to change it, so less undercutting.

This would be a nice feature.

Not sure if it is logistically possible within the coding, but, hopefully it is something SE would consider adding down the road.

Hi,

I made one back in September of 2013. These were my thoughts/concept/mechanics to be implemented:


Concept and mechanics of a "Buy-Order" side of an AH

Post there with your comments :)

Thanks

I thought there was once a mention of adding buy orders from Yoshi... not sure where or if I'm just misremembering.

The idea of using the Marketboard for some Buyer Mode is a great idea!

It would help stabilize the markets, in that people would look to see what people want to Buy, and sell to the highest Buyer first, helping to keep prices higher. If someone wants to Buy HQ Buttons in a Blanket at 50 Gil apiece, but the market for them is at 500 Gil apiece, then no one is going to want to sell to that Buyer. On the other hand, if the market for something is 50 Gil apiece, and someone is willing to pay double that (100 Gil apiece) to get it faster, people who are selling the items are more likely to sell to that Buyer first, rather than the open market.

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I thought there was once a mention of adding buy orders from Yoshi... not sure where or if I'm just misremembering

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They discussed a "wish list" feature being implemented. Sounds similar to this buy order, but wont' know for sure until they talk more in depth about it. Regardless, this does sound like an amazing idea and would be very helpful.

I would like to place orders to buy certain materials at my preferred price.

I would like to fill orders for items I have but don't want to just sell to vendors.

I would use both sides of buy orders, and I would be happy to have the inventory space. I love this idea.

In FFXIV 1.0 in the Market Wards you could "Buy" items. Basically you would put an item on your retainer and put a quantity you would like to buy and when players visit your retainer they could sell to you. I used this often for shards.

If you don't like RMT's, you probably shouldn't like a Buy Order system.

RMT's prefer Buy Order Systems over the current one. Its convenient for a player to find a buyer quickly but players have a limited quantity a majority of the time. In Buy Order systems, RMT's will fill up a majority of those buy orders.

At the current time they have to undercut constantly to compete with you for consumers. In a buy order system, its whoever is first and has a constant quantity that will be the winner. Meaning RMT's will gobble up a ton of gil.

The more gil they gobble up, the less gil in the hands of players and the more likely-hood of people buying gil.

Its a convenient feature with a huge drawback.

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The more gil they gobble up, the less gil in the hands of players and the more likely-hood of people buying gil.

Its a convenient feature with a huge drawback.

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True, but it will also be pretty easy for SE to identify these people as well, so all of that gil will go away once those accounts are banned.

Any system has its pros and cons, I'm willing to deal with the cons in this case.

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Originally Posted by Katchii

True, but it will also be pretty easy for SE to identify these people as well, so all of that gil will go away once those accounts are banned.

Any system has its pros and cons, I'm willing to deal with the cons in this case.

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Clearly you don't understand the cons enough.

If RMT's gobble up a ton of gil, they drive the value of gil up. Gil becomes scarcer and scarcer. The prices of expensive items like FC-lots will only drop to 50% of their original value which is significantly high still.

Removing their gil doesn't solve the problem they create. The value of gil will increase if we remove them but the gil sinks and etc stay constant. Meaning we fall further and further away from such features as they gobble gil and GM's remove them. Even if they aren't removed, that gil is trapped with them, meaning they pretty much have removed that gil anyways from the market system. Now we have to readjust those values of gil sinks which now involves re balancing the entire game.

The cons in this situation are far more greater then you think.

This is why we don't see buyback systems as a predominate system in P2P MMOs, were virtual currency is weighted a little heavier then F2P MMOs.

Like I said, Its a convenient feature with a huge drawback.

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Originally Posted by Xystic

Clearly you don't understand the cons enough.

If RMT's gobble up a ton of gil, they drive the value of gil up. Gil becomes scarcer and scarcer. The prices of expensive items like FC-lots will only drop to 50% of their original value which is significantly high still.

Like I said, Its a convenient feature with a huge drawback.

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The game we pay to play shouldn't be driven by RMTs... Basically; the drawbacks aren't my problem, and I expect SE to figure out these kind of issues, or lose my business.



No, I'm not going to quit over this issue alone, and one account is fairly insignificant, but the more SE is unable to deliver based on these kinds of issues, the sooner the game fails.

This game needs true dynamic events and a true dynamic NPC buy order system as well.
- Not the leves
- Not the GC items
Those are scripted. They are predictable. They are limited to only a few items.

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- All items that can be crafted should be fair game.

- NPC buy order requests should come at any time, not always JP midnight, not always Monday.
E.g.
GC needs new weapons for their elite troops - Orders 100 lvl 50 spears to be filled in 1 day.
Players completes buy order. GC launches attack and wins. Result = New items for sale in town for limited time period.

E.g.
Famine in Ul'Dah - Philanthropist orders 1000 carps of any type to feed the crowd.
Players completes buy order. Result = Cheaper prices on NPC items in town (well-fed laborers = better productivity) for limited time period.

- Player completes quest, and gets access to quest linkpearl announcing such orders.

Forgive the resurrection of an old thread. I would have responded in a more timely fashion if subscriptions actually worked here.

While you're right about the significant potential for RMT abuse, preventative measures against RMT (much like DRM) must always stop short of inconveniencing legitimate players.

We also used to have the ability to repair others' equipment. I also doubt this was intentionally removed to combat RMT.

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Originally Posted by seraseth

I loved the buy orders in gw2, I wish more mmo's had them. They're so convenient, being able to set a price and quantity that you need. I also liked them setting the default sell price to the current price, a lot of people wouldn't bother to change it, so less undercutting.

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This is what we need on both counts.