presence of mind needs a shorter cooldown or a longer duration.

full disclosure: i have, and play, both WHM and SCH. both are well geared (although the WHM has a TON of crit due to all the shared equipment with my SCH). SCH is my main. and lastly, i don't think PoM is useless in its current state, something i've heard from others. conversely, i think it's a great skill, and the spell speed is highly noticeable.

with that being said...10 second uptime? with a 300 second cooldown?! at least one of these needs to be changed. the values are confusing within the context of the recast times of other WHM cooldowns. benediction, with its minutes-long CD, is obviously supposed to be an emergency ability. likewise, divine seal, arguably being the much stronger skill, suggests that it should, or at least can, be used in the same fashion. (ie, as an oh-****, last resort ability). yet the low cooldown goes against this idea. meanwhile, PoM's lengthy cooldown, like benediction's, effectively forces you to save it for emergencies. but if this is an emergency ability, it certainly doesn't feel like one. again, the spell speed is nice. i'm not disputing that. but the fact that the spell ends just as quickly as it began, combined with the fact that DS more effectively functions as a last-resort-need-healing-right-now ability, and at a MUCH lower cooldown, makes me wonder what the purpose of this spell is.

note that i'm being at least partially rhetorical here. i don't mean to imply that i haven't found a use for PoM, because i've found many. i'm also aware that it works well in conjunction with divine seal. i just think that it provides too little for the cooldown, on which i think we can probably agree.

I agree.

This ability sucks. Doesn't even earn a spot on my hot bar.

I dislike a cooldown, with no healing power of it's own, being labeled as an emergency button. It takes time to hit it it and then you still have cast time of the heal.
Better to just throw a heal, IMO.
It's kinda nice if you know that you need more throughput ahead of time, like a Wheel or Mountain Buster. But I never actually use it.

I'd much rather have some kind of instant-cast actual heal like a mini-bene or something like a single-person medica II with a medium cooldown.

It definitely needs a shorter cd. 180 seems more reasonable (and more consistent with other abilities) for a short duration but powerful buff.

Totally agreed.
With the skill animation and how unresponsive this game is, we probably lose 2 seconds of it's 10s duration (and 2 seconds of healing) just to start it, and that's quite dangerous for an emergency skill.

Honestly, it doesn't increase my spell speed enough for me to even bother with it when I need extra healing. Better to go with a Swiftcast spell, or pop Divine Seal because the extra healing is much more useful, imo.

IMO I think it is much more useful for throwing out nukes, actually. With PoM I think I get 3 Holys in the time it normally takes to cast 2 which helps out significantly for feather clearing in Garuda EX.

That said I agree with OP.

Also you shouldn't be saving Divine Seal for emergencies. It's got amazing uptime and once hate is established you are usually better off using it whenever it's up as it really helps out with MP efficiency.

To be honest the only time i use PoM is when I dps with Holy.

Especially for garuda ex during the first plumes.

This is quite odd in fact, using a healer CD for dps :)

Agree.
I dont even have it on my standard hotbars (its on some duff one where I scroll throu in boredom or for laughs).
When I think I could do with a PoM, actually Divine Seal is the choice. It is prime position on my "dungeon" hotbar and I use it often - better mana management too.

Also, DS kinda works in synch with the amination lag......I cast the CureI or II, and immediately after I click DS. Because the heal isn't cast till after my Cure animation, but DS is....9 times out of 10 I get the DS boost on the Cure I cast pre-activation. This is handy if whilst casting Cure the Tank get slap in the face and I realise damage is taken quicker than I can cure

But, back to PoM....yeah, if it was a longer spell, or a shorter cooldown, then I would consider putting it on my bar.....but not now

ive seen its benefits in t4 popping for last phase, considering how healing intense that part is, even allows me to split heal both tanks, which ive done before. Also using more cure1 over 2's. Also not bad for t1 last boss, during split. t5 i havnt rly seen the benefits, i guess during snakes, or second divebombs. I think this spell can be utilised very well though.

The only time I use PoM regularly is during my "burn phase" when I shift into Cleric Stance.

Cleric Stance, Aero II, Aero I, PoM, Stone II or Refresh Stone skin [repeat], Cancel Cleric Stance

Given the cast times on Stone II and Stone Skin it can actually help a little.

I'd say the cooldown needs to be 60-90 seconds.

I always do presence when doing bosses, regen+medica 2 divine sealed then presence + stone 2 the hell of it, it's mildly amusing.. Used it mostly on the goobbue boss in WP and in asclepius lol

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Originally Posted by Richiealvian

I always do presence when doing bosses, regen+medica 2 divine sealed then presence + stone 2 the hell of it, it's mildly amusing.. Used it mostly on the goobbue boss in WP and in asclepius lol

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yes sometimes it feels i can give that edge if we are dps short, its fun. Or even popping a mega mind potion and either spamming cures or dps. Only thing i hate how long it feels like to activate everything

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Originally Posted by Dale

I agree.

This ability sucks. Doesn't even earn a spot on my hot bar.

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I agree as well, it does suck unfortunately. It just goes to show how useless spell speed is when all you have to do is pre-cast or know when that big hit is coming to prevent a wipe. Having PoM up wont make much of a difference, hell, it might even get you wiped by wasting a GCD!

Swiftcast is a much more useful spell. I honestly don't have it in my cross bar at all.

What I don't understand is that it has an extremely long cool down. I would think that Swiftcast should be the one with the 5min cool down due to how hax it is.

I'd rather Swiftcast+raise than pom

I use Presence of Mind for things like 4 stack Caduceus or double Dreadnought. I do agree that, with what it does, it doesn't justify the 300 seconds cooldown. 180 is more like it. At least allow us to pop it twice per anantaboga encounter

Agreed. I find myself mostly using it for Holy spam but there have been moments where it's been handy to have it on during some moments.

The animation too is a little annoying, considering that wastes some time as well... as does Swiftcasts but you're more likely going to be using it for a skill that'll pretty much make it worth the animation delay. PoM's more about getting as much in as possible.
But worst animation to date is benediction no doubt =P

usually for frontloading damage on bosses in phase1/2

with PoM, 10 seconds, 1 second delay for animation, cast maybe 3x stone2 and then the remainding 1 second is pretty much wasted

without PoM, cast 4 x stone2, takes about a second longer

not very useful still


on the other hand if you're doing a titan ex and run to the back for gaol, when dps are a bit slow breaking you out it can be useful to fire off 2 medicas otherwise you might only get 1 off before wotl

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on the other hand if you're doing a titan ex and run to the back for gaol, when dps are a bit slow breaking you out it can be useful to fire off 2 medicas otherwise you might only get 1 off before wotl

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That's an awful lot of forethought. What's another term for forethought?

Wait for it.


Presence of Mind.

Boom.

It also interupts your next spell if you cast it straight after activating PoM. Making this spell a bad oshit button.

You mostly use this spell like you would divine seal. Which is to increase hps or dps a bit for 10 seconds.

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on the other hand if you're doing a titan ex and run to the back for gaol, when dps are a bit slow breaking you out it can be useful to fire off 2 medicas otherwise you might only get 1 off before wotl

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Titan ex tulmults won't kill someone from full hp. Also swiftcast medica2 is what i do after i leave goal. But its something that i don't even need to do. Swiftcast is also available 5 times for every 1 pom. I think if you were goaled you most likely would explode before tulmults start.

lol i've been abusing it as a DPS tool,
I guess it would help to macro it to a cure spell so it casts asap.

But yeah extend the duration imo.

As many pointed out before: 300sec is way too long.

120sec with 15-20sec uptime would be far more appealing.

Totally agree. PoM should last for at least 15 seconds (I vote for 30) and have a 2 minute CD. Benidcition should also only have a 2 minute CD. That would put our "Oh Crap" heal just slightly below what the SCH gets. They can cure a target for 150% of their Max HP every 2 minutes ( or 75% every minute) with the 1 minute CD for Aetherflow.

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Originally Posted by Scox

Totally agree. PoM should last for at least 15 seconds (I vote for 30) and have a 2 minute CD. Benidcition should also only have a 2 minute CD. That would put our "Oh Crap" heal just slightly below what the SCH gets. They can cure a target for 150% of their Max HP every 2 minutes ( or 75% every minute) with the 1 minute CD for Aetherflow.

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Yes and no, the most important thing on benediction that needs to be changed is that the target receives the heal sooner or almost instantly. Yes of course the CD needs a rework too. Something between two and three min.
Yet you should consider that SCHs fuel more than just lustrate with their aetherflow stacks.

I use this ability when our tank brings Aclepius and the two Hygeia over to grab the other Hygeia (strange strat, I know, but it works.) I pop a pot, divine seal, and presence of mind and just spam the daylights out of him to make sure he doesn't go down. I love weekly mini heart attacks.

I don't find PoM even vaguely useful. I very rarely touch it. Completely agree that it either needs work or to be removed and replaced with something more useful.

Having played both tank and dps classes to the highest levels in the game, I can agree on one point with you all, and that the beginning seconds of the skill are wasted.

Other than that, there is no need to buff the duration.

There are moments of burst incoming damage in a fight that this skill works well for. Any less of a cool down, or any additional uptime of the skill would trivialize encounters.

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Originally Posted by Simurgi

Having played both tank and dps classes to the highest levels in the game, I can agree on one point with you all, and that the beginning seconds of the skill are wasted.

Other than that, there is no need to buff the duration.

There are moments of burst incoming damage in a fight that this skill works well for. Any less of a cool down, or any additional uptime of the skill would trivialize encounters.

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Just like how sch's 50% up-time of selenes spell speed boost on both healers (and casters) "trivializes" fights...
A 20-25% uptime of Cure/cure2 with 1.6 sec cast/ 2sec gcd is really going to trivialize fights...

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Also using more cure1 over 2's.

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*ding ding ding*

I use Presence of Mind as a bridging skill for those times when I know I'll be doing a long string of on-GCD casts and Shroud won't be available for a bit. I'm also one of those WHMs that watches for and utilizes my procs. A long string of C1s means free C2s means cheap C3s (costs less than C2 when proc'd).

I don't think of Presence of Mind as a "save me" button. I treat it like a utility/mana management button. Works great that way. Besides, WHMs are a dominant healing force on the field; we don't really need a magic cooldown if we're doing our jobs well. And we've already got Benediction, despite its slow cast time.

Just get rid of it and replace it with old Sacred Prism for next healing/buff to be AoE.

Nowadays I see the trend is to use it if swiftcast is down and then rez someone. I've been liking it quite a bit..

It does feel a bit lackluster but effective use of it can be the difference between wipe and success. Most WHMs don't know how to use it effectively though, most probably never use it. I use it as an "Oh Shit" ability but not in the same sense as Bene or HG, you have to able able to predict the "Oh Shit."

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It does feel a bit lackluster but effective use of it can be the difference between wipe and success. Most WHMs don't know how to use it effectively though, most probably never use it. I use it as an "Oh Shit" ability but not in the same sense as Bene or HG, you have to able able to predict the "Oh Shit."

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With the delay on Bene and HG, you pretty much have to be able to predict it for those too.

It should have a longer duration in my opinion. I remember when I unlocked it that I was a little underwhelmed at the ability's usefulness. No 'job' skill should ever approach anything seeming useless.

I use this but it is very situational. I actually have it in my prefight macro for giving everyone stone skin (except for the 8th player that is...LOL)
I have used it occasionally like the other poster said when my swiftcast has been used and then another player bites the dust.
They have ruined what could have been a good ability by making it way too short.

I use it if I have to raise someone and my swiftcast isn't up yet.