IFRIT HARDMODE ::: Melee help STUN during three part eruptions?

Since resistance starts building DPS after ANY hit now, shouldn't all DPS who can stun help eye for the Multi-Eruption that may help new groups stun more carefully, instead of just relying on one person and him panicking and taking all the blame for a messed up stun -- he stunned plumes on accident!

Iunno. Just a thought.

It's far more efficient to have 1 person stun, mistakes happen but most people who DF for example can barely organize themselves to kill 1 nail if the LB is up - you can't honestly expect people to rotate stuns between 3+ people.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

It's far more efficient to have 1 person stun, mistakes happen but most people who DF for example can barely organize themselves to kill 1 nail if the LB is up - you can't honestly expect people to rotate stuns between 3+ people.

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I think what OP is saying is that Ifrit gains a resistance to stun after the first stun now (I know they changed it for him, I just wasn't sure how). Therefore for the best chance to stun eruptions, shouldn't all the melee try stun every eruption.

Without knowing how they adjusted Ifrit's eruptions (does it build to an absolute immunity? Does it reset after a time?) I can't really say if it's worth it or not.

I will say there's no point stunning them before Hellfire now; they're easily avoided. Save them for the eruptions between second and third plumes where it's more difficult.

For the three part eruptions in the last phase, people need to run to the back of the map and then proceed forward so that by the time they reach Ifrit to stack on him, the eruptions will be gone. A lot of people are still running up to Ifrit to stack on him and then are forced to run back out when the eruptions aren't able to be stunned.

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Originally Posted by Aegis

I think what OP is saying is that Ifrit gains a resistance to stun after the first stun now (I know they changed it for him, I just wasn't sure how). Therefore for the best chance to stun eruptions, shouldn't all the melee try stun every eruption.

Without knowing how they adjusted Ifrit's eruptions (does it build to an absolute immunity? Does it reset after a time?) I can't really say if it's worth it or not.

I will say there's no point stunning them before Hellfire now; they're easily avoided. Save them for the eruptions between second and third plumes where it's more difficult.

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No. Because they will all overwrite each other depending on order and you'll only get one or two total instead of 3.

However, just dodge the eruptions, it's really NOT hard. You have to do it in extreme anyways.

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Originally Posted by Aegis

I think what OP is saying is that Ifrit gains a resistance to stun after the first stun now (I know they changed it for him, I just wasn't sure how). Therefore for the best chance to stun eruptions, shouldn't all the melee try stun every eruption.

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They didn't change Ifrit (they did make Eruptions weaker, but that's tangential). They changed resistances. It happens with anything you stun, sleep, slow, etc.

Before the patch, debuff resistance would reset 60 seconds after the first stun/sleep/whatever. Now it's 60 seconds after the last one.

It's a lot more noticeable with Ifrit, because it actually makes a difference. You're still better off having one person stun, or having a properly-executed stun rotation between 2 people (if you can), because if you stack up stuns, they're just wasting full/half/quarter duration stuns on the same eruption, building to resistance faster and covering fewer eruptions. You need to cover all three eruptions whenever you can (especially before nails) to fill the LB bar. It's especially important if you have multiple people on the same class, since the LB bar doesn't fill as fast in those cases.

Honestly, people should just be ready to run on every eruption now. The one time I've done this on my Paladin since 2.1, I hit every single Eruption (no Plumes) and they still went off half the time. It's still helpful to stun what you can, but people need to be moving when the ability is cast just in case.

Yeah, stunning isn't a reliable strategy to protect against every stun now. You just gotta be prepared to move. It kinda sucks, but now at least he feels a little harder. A little, anyway.

What I've noticed from this fight while tanking/off-tanking as PLD is that after three stuns he'll resist for about 60 seconds. Which means two eruptions cycle will go through.

As an offtank (which only happens in duty finder as this can be solo tanked), PLD's are on stun duty. No one but the paladin should be stunning. The times that DPS "helped" with stuns it generally lead to more deaths, as I can generally shout out to the party which eruptions will go through or not.

I won't just say to "just dodge" eruptions as I've never played the fight as a dps or healer, but I will say that it's easier to manage if you count how many stuns have gone through (you'll hear the LB bar chime) and prepare to dodge after three stuns. Dodge two eruptions and continue to carry on.


Note: this is just what I observed from a week of farming Ifrit HM

Hot bar sprint and get ready to run. It is fairly easy to dodge, compares to what comes after it.

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Originally Posted by Zarien

What I've noticed from this fight while tanking/off-tanking as PLD is that after three stuns he'll resist for about 60 seconds. Which means two eruptions cycle will go through.

As an offtank (which only happens in duty finder as this can be solo tanked), PLD's are on stun duty. No one but the paladin should be stunning. The times that DPS "helped" with stuns it generally lead to more deaths, as I can generally shout out to the party which eruptions will go through or not.

I won't just say to "just dodge" eruptions as I've never played the fight as a dps or healer, but I will say that it's easier to manage if you count how many stuns have gone through (you'll hear the LB bar chime) and prepare to dodge after three stuns. Dodge two eruptions and continue to carry on.


Note: this is just what I observed from a week of farming Ifrit HM

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So, roughly, three stuns will work followed by two that miss? That's really useful to know. Have all my likes.

I've seen it being done with all but one eruption successfully stunned before (after patch, I mean).
So it has to be possible, though I cannot offer any more constructive comment, since I've never tanked/melee'd it myself.

I must add that it was not the norm (I've only ever DF'd it)

I just ignore them, and we move.

So is it best to stun every other eruption now? Do you even need two tanks for this?

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Originally Posted by Klandestineone

So is it best to stun every other eruption now?

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Don't see what the advantage would be.

Stun 1, Erupt 2, Stun 3, Erupt 4, Stun 5, Erupt 6 & 7 because of resist, reset. Four eruptions before every reset.
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Stun 1, Stun 2, Stun 3, Erupt 4 & 5 because of resist, reset. Two eruptions before every reset.

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Originally Posted by Klandestineone

Do you even need two tanks for this?

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No. Working out a reliable stun rotation and bringing an extra DPS is still better.

And let's be honest, the stun change was needed because the fight was just too easy and became too PLD reliant. With the changes, two WARs are viable and as most fights won't reach LB3 before nails due to lack of stuns, it becomes more challenging for the team to down the nails - but not impossible.

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Originally Posted by Billie21

I've seen it being done with all but one eruption successfully stunned before (after patch, I mean).
So it has to be possible, though I cannot offer any more constructive comment, since I've never tanked/melee'd it myself.

I must add that it was not the norm (I've only ever DF'd it)

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This is soo ridiculous its sad..people legit just think ''I'm not stunning fast enough'' in ifrit HM when I know I stunned the moment I saw eruption casting GODAMIT.

Yeah if one of the tanks do not stun i try to do so, only thing that takes a huge chunk of my health (being bard) is his move after the nails were the entire screen is lit (Hellfire i think)
I do not think eruptions are needed to be stunned everytime. And for nails, 2 words to solve those, blm lb. 3 bars and a black mage can wipe them all. The other day we had 3 blm's with us, it was great :)

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Originally Posted by Gabanisu

Since resistance starts building DPS after ANY hit now, shouldn't all DPS who can stun help eye for the Multi-Eruption that may help new groups stun more carefully, instead of just relying on one person and him panicking and taking all the blame for a messed up stun -- he stunned plumes on accident!

Iunno. Just a thought.

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The diminishing returns on stuns are party wide, not per person. A paladin can still stun 3 Eruptions, but after that third one you're screwed for 60 seconds.

Honestly not interrupting the triple eruptions is good practice for Ultima and Ifrit Ex. The single ones are worth interrupting to help with the LB bar.

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Originally Posted by Darlan_Ashwood

This is soo ridiculous its sad..people legit just think ''I'm not stunning fast enough'' in ifrit HM when I know I stunned the moment I saw eruption casting GODAMIT.

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To be fair, I've only seen it once, it made the smoothest fight I've ever seen on Ifrit HM.
As I said, not the norm, other times there always were more eruptions to dodge. I never blamed the tank for not being able to stun (be it because of missed stun o because of resistance); as far as I'm concerned, it's a bonus, not a requirement.

Nobody is talking about Shield Swipe. The pacification from this skill is separate resist from the stun resist.
at least it was pre-patch. I have no clue if it still is. Pre-patch I was able to stun/pacify all eruptions solo tanking.
granted I was running it a lot for some FC members and got to were I could do it in my sleep.

Been farming it a lot and I have noticed I can stun 3 times, then the next 3 eruptions are immune to stun. I do not know what sets off eruptions (time, or health% of Ifrit) but I noticed every single time, it has been 3 and 3 for me. Shield swipe is seperate and works fine for me the past few days.

just dodge you have more then enough time to run. seem like a 50/50 chance stun works now.

Thanks for the input peeps, I guess, peeps shouldnt help stun, lol. I was a bit fully unaware of the new Stun changes.