CT Loot System 1.876 millionth thread about it! Bad game design.

I'm ok with 1 per week.. but when I get a lag spike and everyone leaves the instance for the loot to automatically fall into my pool.. VERY BAD GAME DESIGN!..

No I don't think I'm special to have my own thread, just annoyed and don't want to research/read other topics.

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Originally Posted by Bunsen

I'm ok with 1 per week.. but when I get a lag spike and everyone leaves the instance for the loot to automatically fall into my pool.. VERY BAD GAME DESIGN!..

No I don't think I'm special to have my own thread, just annoyed and don't want to research/read other topics.

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Dude that just sucks for you!

Get better internet? :\

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Originally Posted by Noahlimits

Get better internet? :\

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Ya? 75/35mbps FiOS internet here troll. Open your closed mind that the lag issue is always on the ISP side. Your point is moot, as ISP has nothing to do with the point of bad game design.

Happened to me last week. It's pretty bad. :(

I pass and stick around so that doesn't happen to my party.

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Originally Posted by Bunsen

Ya? 75/35mbps FiOS internet here troll. Open your closed mind that the lag issue is always on the ISP side. Your point is moot, as ISP has nothing to do with the point of bad game design.

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That explains your lag spike. :) Hopefully for all of us FIOS users a solution comes soon. As for the CT drop issue, that's a problem I hope they fix as well. Sucks to be locked out of loot for a week because of something you didn't lot on.

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Originally Posted by Bunsen

Ya? 75/35mbps FiOS internet here troll. Open your closed mind that the lag issue is always on the ISP side. Your point is moot, as ISP has nothing to do with the point of bad game design.

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You realize high speed does not mean consistent speed, right? You could say you have 10000/1000 mbps and it wouldn't mean anything if you're lag spiking. Blaming all issues on the SE server (whether rightfully so or not) is ignorant without any proof. I had similar issues with time warner cable. After switching providers, it magically went away! I guess it was the SE servers, huh?

And before you try to use this as an argument; traceroutes took it through the same points for both providers. One of the issues people are experiencing is that more and more providers are recognizing it as a P2P game, and throttling your internet at certain points. Which is something the internet company has to fix.

Personally, I'd argue that any arbitrary caps on content are bad game design. Myth tomes, CT loot, treasure maps, guildhests, coil lockout...

That aside, I agree - if you don't click "Need" or "Greed" it shouldn't apply a lockout.

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Originally Posted by Nezacant

That explains your lag spike. :) Hopefully for all of us FIOS users a solution comes soon. As for the CT drop issue, that's a problem I hope they fix as well. Sucks to be locked out of loot for a week because of something you didn't lot on.

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The lag spikes only started occurring after 2.1, I haven't ever seen it before on FFXIV which makes me believe it isn't because of FiOS. So I'm not sure what "solution" you know of for FiOS users.

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Originally Posted by Noahlimits

Get better internet? :\

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That doesn't change the fact it's poor design that if everyone leaves before people pass they get the item forced on them.

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Originally Posted by Kaelah

That doesn't change the fact it's poor design that if everyone leaves before people pass they get the item forced on them.

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Naw, I agree that it's bad. But until they fix it, making a 1,000,000th thread isn't going to do much about it. I'm sure they'll patch it eventually. My comment was more for the lag spike part.

All, I appreciate the insight to ISP issues with throttling.. but this has nothing to do with the point. Stay on topic please.

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Originally Posted by Lurkios

Personally, I'd argue that any arbitrary caps on content are bad game design. Myth tomes, CT loot, treasure maps, guildhests, coil lockout...

That aside, I agree - if you don't click "Need" or "Greed" it shouldn't apply a lockout.

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Too easy to game the system if they do that.

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Originally Posted by Ruethryl

Too easy to game the system if they do that.

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If by "game the system" you mean "be rewarded for play", yes, that would start happening.

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Originally Posted by Lurkios

If by "game the system" you mean "be rewarded for play", yes, that would start happening.

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Probably try to be the last to leave always, get loot each run. That kind of gaming the system. Heck, people do that with commendations.

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Originally Posted by rabbitzero

Probably try to be the last to leave always, get loot each run. That kind of gaming the system. Heck, people do that with commendations.

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Ahhh, I see. I was thinking something more along the lines of the loot just dropping (or perhaps staying in the chest) if no one hits need/greed.

I had someone in a ls complaining about this. It turned out he intentionally did not pass thinking he could still need/greed another item. His wife spilled the beans on him

I agree being able to get locked out this way should be fixed, but I think it just needs to require a roll to obtain any loot item in any dungeon. It should also allow a person to pass if they have lotted accidentally.

The auto-rolling is pretty flawed, to be honest. It has its merits, but that was before they finalized how CT rolling works I think. Either that, or it was just an oversight that they are looking to change. Whether or not they rectify that is going to be something we have to wait and see.

This should be a pretty simple/easy fix. As well as making people complete the instance to get their loot. Had enough of people bailing after getting loot on the first boss.

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Originally Posted by Lurkios

Personally, I'd argue that any arbitrary caps on content are bad game design. Myth tomes, CT loot, treasure maps, guildhests, coil lockout...

That aside, I agree - if you don't click "Need" or "Greed" it shouldn't apply a lockout.

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You forgot non-100% droprates. What cap have guildhests?

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Originally Posted by Felis

You forgot non-100% droprates. What cap have guildhests?

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Ohohoh, I see what you did there. Aren't you a clever one.
/sarcasm

What's wrong with CT

1) Player has withdrawn from duty x 20 commence commence commence.

2) Lag on PS3. I'm just sliding around all raid long.

3) Don't/Do get the loot you want, leave dungeon

4) Spirit Binding - Everyone gimping themselves.

5) Trolls- Always trolls, sometimes they even queue in as a party so you can't kick.

6) Unfunny players that talk too much or guys that try to lead when they aren't cut out for it and take 20 minutes to explain a simple fight.

Yay, one more thread! Your issue is so much more special than of the other threads about the same issue, OP!

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Originally Posted by cotti

Yay, one more thread! Your issue is so much more special than of the other threads about the same issue, OP!

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Yay, one more post count for you with your pointless reply...

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Originally Posted by Bunsen

Yay, one more post count for you with your pointless reply...

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And one more thread on a subject with too many threads already. Especially when the rules state to post in a thread that already exists if the issue is the same.

Greetings,

The development team is aware that loot in Crystal Tower is automatically being given to the last player remaining in the battlefield after all of the other party members have exited. They will be making adjustments to this in patch 2.15.

The combination of automatic loot + loot lockout is the most horrible thing that happened since release of the game. It has to be dealt IMMEDIATELY, or prepare a way to trade unwanted items for wanted items or loot allowances.

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Originally Posted by IzumiRaito

The combination of automatic loot + loot lockout is the most horrible thing that happened since release of the game. It has to be dealt IMMEDIATELY, or prepare a way to trade unwanted items for wanted items or loot allowances.

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The mod already said it'd be fixed in 2.15. You demanding it be done now in red bold will have no effect on this.

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Originally Posted by Hvinire

Greetings,

The development team is aware that loot in Crystal Tower is automatically being given to the last player remaining in the battlefield after all of the other party members have exited. They will be making adjustments to this in patch 2.15.

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Is anything being done about it in the meantime? This obviously is affecting many players and the impact is pretty steep (and if you don't think it is that steep, why limit people to 1 loot per week?)

Think that is supposed to hit this month, dunno if that is this week's patch though or a forthcoming one.

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Originally Posted by Bunsen

No I don't think I'm special to have my own thread, just annoyed and don't want to research/read other topics.

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I understand your frustration but...still...another thread isn't exactly necessary...You don't need to really do extensive "research" either...you find a thread about it...go to the OP...and click "Like" and that is literally the most effective way to get a point across.

I tried to post a thread on this last week when it happened to me, but for some reason I'm not allowed to create a new thread... Anyone have any idea why I can post replies like this one, but not new threads?

When is the Hotfix?

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Originally Posted by IzumiRaito

The combination of automatic loot + loot lockout is the most horrible thing that happened since release of the game. It has to be dealt IMMEDIATELY, or prepare a way to trade unwanted items for wanted items or loot allowances.

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Your sense of entitlement is hilarious. You can underscore, bold, make it red, all caps, decorate it with balloons. The loot lockout prevents players from getting all the loot they want in a week, and the automatic loot is obviously a mistake that they just stated they will fix, but it isn't some tragic catastrophe. Don't want the loot? Pass and leave.

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Originally Posted by ijuakos_xqwzts

Is anything being done about it in the meantime? This obviously is affecting many players and the impact is pretty steep (and if you don't think it is that steep, why limit people to 1 loot per week?)

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I think we all know the answer to this one.

"We will not be making any changes at this time. We deeply apologize for the inconvenience."

Simply put. The patch notes warned you. People didn't pay attention. Now they have items they don't want. Yes, they are improving it, but everyone was properly warned.

What I would like to see is them removing the possibility of kicking someone when a loot is in progress. Friend of mine got kicked cause the majority of the party was pre-made and a chest dropped. Easy win for them and it's very frustrating for the people that needs it but is in minority.

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Originally Posted by Kluya15

Your sense of entitlement is hilarious. You can underscore, bold, make it red, all caps, decorate it with balloons. The loot lockout prevents players from getting all the loot they want in a week, and the automatic loot is obviously a mistake that they just stated they will fix, but it isn't some tragic catastrophe. Don't want the loot? Pass and leave.

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Think of it like this:
"Automatic loot" and "Loot lockout" are like two chemical substances, harmless separately. But brought together make a mixture that explodes on a smallest spark. And i AM entitled to be able to decide whether i want loot or not within the time shown on the loot screen, because that is how it is designed.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

I think we all know the answer to this one.

"We will not be making any changes at this time. We deeply apologize for the inconvenience."

Simply put. The patch notes warned you. People didn't pay attention. Now they have items they don't want. Yes, they are improving it, but everyone was properly warned.

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Yep, because everyone remembers every word they posted in that huge novel of a list of patch notes. Even so, there are plenty of legitimate reasons for this to occur unintentionally. As long as 2.1 was postponed, something this glaringly bad should have been fixed. I think many would have rather waited a week later for something this bad, and I'm fairly sure this would not have taken a week to fix

Dear SE, please remove loot lockout and just add dungeon lockout. Not because I believe it's better, I just want to see people complain about something else.

It's great that 2.15 will fix it. How about in the meantime, since so many people are complaining about it being super urgent, why doesn't everyone just not be jerks and stay in the dungeon until the item is taken or dropped. Seriously, it isn't hard. I've been saying this for weeks, and to date I have never had a person in my group get an item they didn't want because of this issue because I actually wait to see the item fall before I leave.

The temporary workaround is so easy. Everyone just needs to start thinking about someone besides themselves and stop leaving the dungeon immediately. If you're worried you're the only person that will do this, then tell your party to do the same before the last boss is killed, it only takes 1 out of the 7 other people to stick around for this issue to not happen. Hopefully you aren't in a party of 7 jerks.

But regardless, if you're one of the people that just teleports out 10 seconds after the boss dies, then you are the entire reason why this is a problem. That's not an excuse for SE's poor implementation of the loot system that allows this to happen in the first place, but considering how well-known this issue is and how easily preventable it is, it's ridiculous that people seem so incapable of working around it until it is fixed in 2.15.